### Weathermen

Date:    Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:20:57 -0600
From:    "John R. Weikart" (jweikart@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU)
Subject: Re: weathermen

wesley@interaccess.com wrote:

> my history text states that the weathermen took their name from dylan's
> line in SHB, i had always believed that dylan had used the line to object
> to the weathermen and their proposed methods, and imply to the world to
> think for yourself of revolution that was going on in the world, it
> seemed to fit perfectly. though the text states the weathermen did not
> come about intil '68 which seems to back up their version since SHB was
> written before then.  please somebody clear this up for me via email
> or post, if you can document your proof to either side of the arguement.
> drew.

The book I happen to have on my shelf that explains the origin of the name
is "Destructive Generation" by Peter Collier and David Horowotz.  They
explain how a radical wing of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) went
about finding a title for a major manifesto they wrote in 1969:

"Terry Robbins suggested the idea of using a line from a Dylan song for
the title: 'You Don't Need a Weatherman to Tell Which Way the Wind
Blows.'  The others agreed.  Almost immediately after distributing the
document to the SDS convention cadres, the group began to be called
Weatherman."

Peter Collier & David Horowitz, Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts
about the '60s, (New York: Summit Books, 1989), p. 81.

So there you have it.  It's "Weatherman" not "the weathermen" although
individually they did become known as that.  And it was 1969, so they
definitely took their name from the song, despite misquoting the line.  In
1965, SDS was still far from the extreme radicalism of Weatherman.

Not to be confused with another late '60s radical, Weberman.

-John
jweikart@mail.utexas.edu

Date:    Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:41:59 EDT
From:    Ron Jacobs (RJACOBS@THYME.UVM.EDU)
Subject: You don't need a weatherman...

The Weatherman organization was officially formed in 1969 during the
SDS convention in Chicago.  They took their name from their founding
statement entitled "You Don't Need a Weatherman...." which they
inturn borrowed from Dylan's song Subterranean Homesick Blues.  The
split was the result of differences in the SDS organization over the
questions of youth culture, the Black Panthers role in the
revolution, and support of the National LIberation Front in Vietnam.
(among other things).
After the Flint War Council in Flint Michigan in Dec. 1969, Weather
man began going underground and hastened the process after the deaths
of three of its members in the New York city townhouse explosion on
March 6, 1970.  They became the Weather Undergound Organization
shortly thereafter.  By the way, one of those killed in the March 6
explosion was Diana OUghton who had a song written about her by
Jefferson Starship--it's on their SUNFIGHTER album.

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