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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 00:13 GMT 
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peerke wrote:
Here's something more I found:

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What I can say is that Bob Dylan supplied the original image and then we distorted it from there.


Aha! So it did come from that Mexican swap meet.


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I think if one did a close reading and some research on the "Special Thanks To..." of "Knocked Out Loaded" one could probably get a pretty good idea of where the cover art originated.


Would you care to explain?


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 11:36 GMT 
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I always get a kick out of these folks who talk about how awful the album is then mention they've listened to it once or they haven't listened to it in 20 years.


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 11:58 GMT 
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I've been listening to this one a bit lately. It's quirky, disjointed and unfocused but it's altogether endearing like a friend you love because of, not in spite of their flaws.


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 15:02 GMT 
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peerke wrote:
Fred@Dreamtime wrote:
I think if one did a close reading and some research on the "Special Thanks To..." of "Knocked Out Loaded" one could probably get a pretty good idea of where the cover art originated.


Would you care to explain?


The first person named in the lengthy credits is one Tony Goodstone. While there is an actor by that name, it's more likely that the "Tony Goodstone" credited is the editor of the seminal work on American pulp fiction, "The Pulps." Dylan is a long-time fan of pulp fiction. "Chronicles" is littered with pulp references and it's likely that the name of Dylan's production company, "Grey Water Park" is a reference to a setting used by Sax Rohmer in several "Fu-Manchu" stories.

Given all that, the pulp look of the cover art and Sappington's reference to "legal" problems with the art, I suspect Dylan found the original illustration in some pulp magazine, or maybe directly in Goodstone's book... it'd be interesting to take a look there.

The credits of "Knocked Out Loaded" offer all sorts of interesting nuggets, such as the "Gal Shaped Just Like a Frog," which as I noted earlier, is a line from Warren Smith's "Miss Froggie" or the credit to "Baby Boo Boo" (see the Urban dictionary for that one). And why does Dylan give shout-outs to two left-handed baseball pitchers who played for the Dodgers?


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 15:10 GMT 
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It is a picture of Bob in a dress forced to eject a couple of drunks that got into a fight in his dressing room before a show one night in Pittsburgh


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 16:34 GMT 
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I have always loved this album ever since it first came out and I heard You Wanna Ramble on the radio. Great artwork, too! The painting most definitely comes from the cover of a pulp or western novel.


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 16:43 GMT 
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The woman on the front of Knocked Out Loaded is kind of hot... a sign that the album itself may be too hot for many to handle...

which apparently has been the case.


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 18:57 GMT 
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The title and album cover are a warning. (Or a threat). Just like:

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I love that cover art!

I never listened to all 8 songs on the album (only 8 songs??) :roll: but I do love this one and I listen to it on my iPod regularly -

Under Your Spell

Somethin’ about you that I can’t shake,
Don’t know how much more of this I can take,
Baby, I’m under your spell.

I was knocked out and loaded in the naked night.
When my last dream exploded, I noticed your light.
Baby, oh what a story I could tell.

It’s been nice seeing you, you read me like a book
If you ever want to reach me, you know where to look.
Baby, I’ll be at the same hotel.

I’d like to help you but I’m in a bit of a jam,
I’ll call you tomorrow if there’s phones where I am.
Baby, caught between heaven and hell.

But I will be back, I will survive,
You’ll never get rid of me as long as you’re alive.
Baby, can’t you tell.

Well it’s four in the morning by the sound of the birds,
I’m starin’ at your picture, I’m hearin’ your words.
Baby, they ring in my head like a bell.

Everywhere you go it’s enough to break hearts
Someone always gets hurt, a fire always starts.
You were too hot to handle, you were breaking every vow.
I trusted you baby, you can trust me now.

Turn back baby, wipe your eye,
Don’t think I’m leaving here without a kiss goodbye.
Baby, is there anything left to tell?

I’ll see you later when I’m not so out of my head,
Maybe next time I’ll let the dead bury the dead.
Baby, what more can I tell?

Well the desert is hot, the mountain is cursed,
Pray that I don’t die of thirst,
Baby, two feet from the well.

Copyright © 1986 by Special Rider Music and Carol Bayer Sager Music


I absolutely do not get the appeal of Brownsville Girl. :? To me, it's akin to the droning of Highlands. :!:


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PostPosted: Tue March 30th, 2010, 21:06 GMT 
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I absolutely do not get the appeal of Brownsville Girl. :? To me, it's akin to the droning of Highlands. :!:
This attitude is totally unacceptable!!! I suppose you wouldn't enjoy 34 minutes of Handy Dandy if its ever released?

I am simply beside myself right now. :(


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ShoreGirl wrote:
I absolutely do not get the appeal of Brownsville Girl. :? To me, it's akin to the droning of Highlands. :!:
This attitude is totally unacceptable!!! I suppose you wouldn't enjoy 34 minutes of Handy Dandy if its ever released?

I am simply beside myself right now. :(

Shall I expect to be banished to the Barry Manilow board maybe? :lol: :lol:

I actually can take a bit of Handy Dandy, given the right mood. :|


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PostPosted: Wed March 31st, 2010, 06:27 GMT 
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The title and album cover are a warning. (Or a threat). Just like:

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The review for "Shark Sandwich" was merely a two word review which simply read "Shit Sandwich".


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PostPosted: Wed March 31st, 2010, 11:39 GMT 
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I have no idea what this has to do with the wondrous album, Knocked Out Loaded, whose artwork lends much to the imagination concerning what is concealed inside the cover.

I remember seeing Knocked Out Loaded for the first time and thinking, "This is going to be great!" You can only imagine my disappointment when 34 1/2 minutes later it ended and I was like, "Where's the other album? Certainly Bob wouldn't leave us hanging and waiting for more?!"

To our dismay, he did just that. :?


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PostPosted: Wed March 31st, 2010, 13:45 GMT 
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Nappy wrote:
Harry Truman wrote:
The title and album cover are a warning. (Or a threat). Just like:

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The review for "Shark Sandwich" was merely a two word review which simply read "Shit Sandwich".


Yeah. Exactly. Knocked out Loaded should have been called Shit Sandwich. It's not too late. How about a deluxe reissue?

I realize that I won't be getting the Untrodden Path Hero of the day medal for this, but it needs to be said.


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PostPosted: Wed March 31st, 2010, 16:11 GMT 
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Knocked out Loaded should have been called Shit Sandwich. It's not too late. How about a deluxe reissue?

I realize that I won't be getting the Untrodden Path Hero of the day medal for this, but it needs to be said.
You called this one correctly.

I'm disappointed...

so disappointed...


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PostPosted: Thu April 1st, 2010, 13:55 GMT 
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Harry Truman wrote:
Knocked out Loaded should have been called Shit Sandwich. It's not too late. How about a deluxe reissue?

I realize that I won't be getting the Untrodden Path Hero of the day medal for this, but it needs to be said.
You called this one correctly.

I'm disappointed...

so disappointed...


That's how I feel everytime I pull this album out in an effort to re-examine it. It never gets better. I skip past the songs I can't bear to listen to and then realize the album is over with before I hear a single song. At least Empire Burlesque had 3 good songs on it.


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PostPosted: Thu April 1st, 2010, 15:38 GMT 
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now that people are done reviewing the record, back to the original post:

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What is the cover of Knocked Out Loaded from? Is it an old movie poster? An original for the album? Does anyone know? Thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu April 1st, 2010, 15:42 GMT 
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now that people are done reviewing the record, back to the original post:

davedoon wrote:
What is the cover of Knocked Out Loaded from? Is it an old movie poster? An original for the album? Does anyone know? Thanks!

See Fred's post on Tuesday (previous page) for probably the closest you'll get to definitive - unless someone comes up with the original pulp illustration in its original published form...


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PostPosted: Thu April 1st, 2010, 16:00 GMT 
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davedoon wrote:
What is the cover of Knocked Out Loaded from? Is it an old movie poster? An original for the album? Does anyone know? Thanks!

See Fred's post on Tuesday (previous page) for probably the closest you'll get to definitive - unless someone comes up with the original pulp illustration in its original published form...


I'm looking for it. :P Is it just me or does it appear that the woman's face was edited into the original illustration? I realize Sappington said he "distorted" the illustration, but I wonder if the imagery was changed.

Fwiw, I'm compiling an annotation of the "Special Thanks" list, and will post it in this thread if people are interested.


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Fwiw, I'm compiling an annotation of the "Special Thanks" list, and will post it in this thread if people are interested.


Please do.
I sure would love to see it. Living in Europa, a lot of those names mean absolutely nothing to me.


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PostPosted: Fri April 2nd, 2010, 14:35 GMT 
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Here's an annotated "Special Thanks To..." A few caveats: I did this on the fly to break up work between paying projects and didn't spend a lot of time digging. If I could find a reference easily, it's there. If not, no. Just because I cite the name doesn't mean, I'm right, of course. Dylan might have a close friend whose name is "Marty Feldman" who isn't/wasn't the comedian. And yes, there's a couple of jokes I threw in to break the tedium.

The original list comes from bobdylan.com. There were a few apparent typos you'll see marked with [sic]. I don't know if they appeared on the actual album and got screwed up in the reproduction, or whether Dylan/Sappington's wife misspelled them... or again, whether I just got it wrong. So, FWIW, here's the annotated Knocked Out Loaded "Special Thanks To..."

Special Thanks To:

Tony Goodstone – Editor/compiler of “The pulps: Fifty years of American pop culture.” Possible source of original version of “Knocked Out Loaded” (KOL) cover art?

Norm's Guitars – Norman Haight? Master luthier, owner of Haight Guitars

Britt Bacon – sound engineer

Susies Pullen [sic] – Susan Pullen is named as Bob Dylan’s dresser/stylist and assistant in various credits

Tony Dimitriades – Tom Petty manager

Jeff Rosen – Bob Dylan factotum and keeper of the keys

Jeff Jones – one-time Sony music exec.

Sid Fernandez – one-time left-handed-pitcher for the LA Dodgers

Steve Howe – left-handed relief pitcher who helped Dodgers beat the Yankees in `81 World Series

Rita & Britta - ?

Harry Dean Stanton -- American actor. Appeared in “Dreamin’ of You” video

Frank Zappa – “A mad scientist constantly pushing the boundaries of music”

Gay Austin - ? The mind boggles after a Google Search

Sam Shepard - American playwright, actor, and television and film director

Ben Saltzman – Married to Naomi Saltzman (see below)

Naomi Saltzman – One-time Dylan business administrator and long-time family friend. According to Sounes’ “Down the Highway” Saltzman was inadvertently responsible for the breach between Dylan and Albert Grossman, after informing Dylan that he couldn’t change the name of his “Dwarf Music” publishing company because Grossman owned half the company.

David Geffen - American record executive, film producer, theatrical producer

Carole Childs – David Geffen employee. Gossip has it one-time Dylan girlfriend.

Jackson Browne - American rock singer-songwriter and musician

Margarita - ?
Diane -?
Vicki - ?
Irene - ?

Mike Campbell – Tom Petty lead guitarist

Howie Epstein- Tom Petty bassist

Tom Petty - American singer-songwriter and musician

Benmont Tench – Tom Petty keyboardist

Stan Lynch – Tom Petty drummer

John Trudell - American author, poet, musician

Claudia Lanier – one-time Ikette/backing vocalist

Mildred & Charlotte – Backing vocalist
Mattie – Backing vocalist
Ludella – Backing vocalist
Bommu Kingsley – Backing vocalist
Sharon - ?
Carol - ?

Randy Newman - American singer/songwriter

Capitol Records – US record label

David – ?

Keith – Keith Richards?

Willie – Willie Nelson?

Bob – Too many to name. Maybe he’s thanking himself.

Ahmet – Amet Ertegun – Turkish-American record executive

Eric – Eric Clapton?

George – George Harrison?

Martin Sheen – American actor

Paul Rappaport – Senior exec at Columbia Records

Andre - ? One would like to think Dylan is thanking Andre the Giant

Zusha – Zusha Zimmerman?

Annette - ?

Baby Boo Boo – An interesting credit. A “baby boo boo” is urban slang for an unexpected pregnancy or child (see “Narette” and “Desiree” below).

Vanessa –

Clara –

Jesse Ed Davis – American musician

The Baroness - ?

The Duchess - ?

Helena – Helena Springs (?), background vocalist and co-writer of several Dylan songs

Narette – Gossip has it that “Narette” is the name of Dylan and Clydie King’s daughter (see “Clydie King.” The name also appears in the dedication of Dylan’s “Lyrics 1962-1985.”

Reggae Queen - ?
Louie & Corrine - ?
Rabbi Spector - ?

Buggs Weidel [sic] – Alan “Bugs” Weidel – Tom Petty pianist and crew chief

Charles Rook - Producer/ Engineer/Technical Guru

Musicland – a US record store which went bankrupt in 2006.

Joey & Louie - ?

Rev. T. Alexander - ?
Mark Knopfler - British guitarist, singer, songwriter, etc.

Stage Deli – New York delicatessen with worldwide outposts, including California
Baghdad Restaurant – Arizona-based restaurant
Something Fishy [sic] –Something’s Fishy is a Woodland Hills, CA restaurant
Zucky's – a Santa Monica delicatessen with a disreputable reputation, now closed

Lil & Mel - ?
Peter Takiff - ?
Bob Meyes - ?

Marshall Gelfland [sic] – Marshall Gelfand is a Dylan legal representative

Bill Graham - American impresario and rock concert promoter

Pammie - ?
peachy - ?
Chrissie Hynde - American rock musician
Sarah Wells - ?
Kim Wilson - ?

Highway Blues Girls - ?
Ronnie Wood - English rock guitarist
Lulu Belle - ?
Walter Yetnikoff - CBS Records/Sony music executive
Ruben Blades - Panamanian salsa singer, songwriter, etc.
Miami Steve – Steve Van Zandt?

Carol – ?
Yvonne - ?

Michael Mann - American film director, screenwriter, and produce
Elliot Roberts - American music manager, record executive
Alan Rudolph - American film director and screenwriter

Iron Mike – Mike Tyson?
Bill Walton - American basketball player and Deadhead

Chaim Guttenberg - ?
Lou Reed - American rock musician
Stevie Wonder - American singer-songwriter
Gal Shaped Just Like A Frog – Line from “Miss Froggie” by Warren Smith

Martine - ?
Harriette Blaze - ?

Diamentina [sic?] –May refer to a "diamantina cocktail," a drink invented in the area of the Diamantina River in Queensland, Australia. It consists of Bundaberg Rum, condensed milk and an emu's egg.

Danny - ?
Tommy - ?
Kate - ?
Lanie - ?
Stan & Huey - ?

Desiree – Desiree Gabrielle Dennis-Dylan, daughter of Bob Dylan and Carolyn Dennis?
Nicole - ?

Arma Andon - former Columbia Records Marketing Executive
Josh Abbey – sound engineer
Don Smith – sound engineer, mixer and producer

Ruthie - ?

Sly & Robbie – Lowell Dunbar and Robert Shakespeare – reggaeists

Richie Havens - American folk singer and guitarist

David Kearny [sic] – David Kearney is an acupuncturist, whose bio notes, “…I have treated and traveled with as a physician, many entertainment stars including members of the Beatles and Bob Dylan”

Chris Bowman - ?

Marty Feldman – Also named in the credits of “Real Live” and “Steet Legal.” Unlikely to be the English comedy writer, comedian and actor, but who knows?

Nick Egan - Record Sleeve Designer/Art Director

Dave Stewart – “The number of professional connections Dave Stewart has managed to make with Bob Dylan is absurdly large,” according to The Bob Dylan Encylopedia. See:

http://33third.blogspot.com/2006/04/bob ... pedia.html

Jack Nicholson – Obscure American actor who career was tragically brought to a premature close by a motorcycle accident on the set of “Easy Rider.”

Clydie King – American singer. Dylan session singer and backing vocalist. Gossip has it that she and Dylan were secretly married and had two children.


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PostPosted: Wed September 8th, 2010, 17:20 GMT 
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Got this idea from another thread.

I'll start.

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