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PostPosted: Sat June 15th, 2019, 00:48 GMT 

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I've probably had a dozen different lists of Dylan's best songs over the years, but I was recently asked by someone to compile a list of ten for the. I used a modified ELO rating approach and, somewhat surprisingly, here's the list that resulted:

10) Shooting Star
9) Jokerman
8) Every Grain Of Sand
7) Desolation Row (prefer the original alternate take)
6) Blind Willie McTell
5) Up To Me (prefer take 2, remake 3)
4) Shelter From The Storm
3) Like A Rolling Stone
2) Tangled Up In Blue
1) Series Of Dreams

Granted, isolating Dylan's 10, 20, or 30 best songs is a hit or miss proposition. This list, though, is unlike any other I've seen and I thought I'd post it if only for the hell of it.


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PostPosted: Sat June 15th, 2019, 15:16 GMT 

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Does an ELO approach mean there are cellos overdubbed on each track?


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PostPosted: Sat June 15th, 2019, 16:26 GMT 

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You're sayin' this is another example of the Jeff Lynne connection?


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PostPosted: Sat June 15th, 2019, 19:01 GMT 
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A Jeff Lynne/ELO approach would be appreciated by this Dylan fan. Jeff is quite and artist, producer, and arranger of music and his touch would be one I would thoroughly enjoy, I'm quite sure.


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PostPosted: Sat June 15th, 2019, 19:12 GMT 
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Nothing from Christmas in the Heart?


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 07:55 GMT 
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You could use the comprehensive Dylan poll that was done on here a couple of months ago.

A great selection though. What is the electric light orchestra method then?


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 07:58 GMT 
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Hang on a sec, you prefer a different take the album version? Are you a Russian troll??


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 08:00 GMT 
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Pauley wrote:
Hang on a sec, you prefer a different take the album version? Are you a Russian troll??
I meant to say; Hang on a sec, you prefer a different take of desolation row to the album version? Are you a Russian Troll?


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 08:30 GMT 

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Untrodden Path wrote:
A Jeff Lynne/ELO approach would be appreciated by this Dylan fan. Jeff is quite and artist, producer, and arranger of music and his touch would be one I would thoroughly enjoy, I'm quite sure.

It would have to include:

"It's All Over Now, Mr Blue Sky"

"What's a Sweet Talkin' Woman Like You Doing In A Place Like This"

"It Take's A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Last Train To London To Cry"


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 08:50 GMT 
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I dont get this. Whats ELO?


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PostPosted: Sun June 16th, 2019, 08:59 GMT 
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If you see her, say ELO...


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 16:13 GMT 

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I knew I'd get the Electric Light Orchestra comments.....

ELO rating is a method that compares individual entries against each other is sequence in order to establish a ranking. It is most notably used to rank world caliber chess players.

In other words, is "Tangled Up In Blue" better than "Desolation Row"? Yes
Is "Desolation Row" better than "Jokerman"? Yes
Is " Every Grain Of Sand" better than "Jokerman" Yes
Is "Every Grain Of Sand" better than "Desolation Row" No

Ans so on, comparing combinations of songs against each other until a definitive ranking is established.

I surprised myself with the ten best ranking that came from this method instead of just making a list.


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 16:34 GMT 

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RichardW wrote:
Untrodden Path wrote:
A Jeff Lynne/ELO approach would be appreciated by this Dylan fan. Jeff is quite and artist, producer, and arranger of music and his touch would be one I would thoroughly enjoy, I'm quite sure.

It would have to include:

"It's All Over Now, Mr Blue Sky"

"What's a Sweet Talkin' Woman Like You Doing In A Place Like This"

"It Take's A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Last Train To London To Cry"





Very nice.

"Don't Let Me Down Along The Cove"
"Living Things Have Changed"
"All Over The World Gone Wrong"


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 17:19 GMT 
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Wrong thread title.

Should read - "My Guess Work Naming Dylan's Best Songs"


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 17:51 GMT 
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Hold on tight to your series of dreams. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 18:00 GMT 

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wormington wrote:
I dont get this. Whats ELO?


Electric Light Orchester = ELO. :D


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PostPosted: Mon June 17th, 2019, 18:45 GMT 

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If you are including prefered song versions, the ranking system becomes flawed because it's no longer focused on "songs", it's an amalgam of "song" + "performance".

It's also really a just personal top 10 list because the preference of one song over another is just that - a personal preference....this is just a different method of determining your preferences.

Saying that it uses a "method" suggests something definitive and scientific about the approach when it simply ain't.
Even just scanning that list, I can tell you without any bias that these aren't Bob's "very best", but simply your favourites.
I know this because "Highway 61" and "Dignity" are missing..... :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 02:01 GMT 
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I wish Dylan would cover Last Train To London. It has already been shown (scientifically!) to be his best song. He just needs to go ahead and actually perform it.

The #2 song is more difficult to measure.


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 02:12 GMT 
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No way!
There is no method that any Dylan fan could use (ELO or otherwise) that would have Series of Dreams in the #1 position. Did you really match SoD with LARS, TUIB, BWMc, and at least 25 others and find that SoD came out on top?


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 07:53 GMT 

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jokerman1031 wrote:
ELO rating is a method that compares individual entries against each other is sequence in order to establish a ranking..

Ohhhhhhh. It's a bubble sort. Why didn't you say so?


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 08:43 GMT 
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jokerman1031 wrote:
I've probably had a dozen different lists of Dylan's best songs over the years, but I was recently asked by someone to compile a list of ten for the. I used a modified ELO rating approach and, somewhat surprisingly, here's the list that resulted:

10) Shooting Star
9) Jokerman
8) Every Grain Of Sand
7) Desolation Row (prefer the original alternate take)
6) Blind Willie McTell
5) Up To Me (prefer take 2, remake 3)
4) Shelter From The Storm
3) Like A Rolling Stone
2) Tangled Up In Blue
1) Series Of Dreams

Granted, isolating Dylan's 10, 20, or 30 best songs is a hit or miss proposition. This list, though, is unlike any other I've seen and I thought I'd post it if only for the hell of it.


No.


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 11:26 GMT 

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summerteeth wrote:
No way!
There is no method that any Dylan fan could use (ELO or otherwise) that would have Series of Dreams in the #1 position. Did you really match SoD with LARS, TUIB, BWMc, and at least 25 others and find that SoD came out on top?


Yes, there is. Yes I did. This is a discussion board after all. Isn't any ranking list of anything subjective?


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 11:31 GMT 

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finbar wrote:
If you are including prefered song versions, the ranking system becomes flawed because it's no longer focused on "songs", it's an amalgam of "song" + "performance".

It's also really a just personal top 10 list because the preference of one song over another is just that - a personal preference....this is just a different method of determining your preferences.

Saying that it uses a "method" suggests something definitive and scientific about the approach when it simply ain't.
Even just scanning that list, I can tell you without any bias that these aren't Bob's "very best", but simply your favourites.
I know this because "Highway 61" and "Dignity" are missing..... :wink:




Any list compiled by anyone is personal preference. There is no intrinsically correct way to rank Dylan's songs, or just about anything else for that matter.

Isn't it all opinion? I respect your right to hold "Highway 61" in high esteem even though I, myself, simply can't listen to it. That whistle!?!? "Dignity", however, is very good.


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 11:35 GMT 
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jokerman1031 wrote:
summerteeth wrote:
No way!
There is no method that any Dylan fan could use (ELO or otherwise) that would have Series of Dreams in the #1 position. Did you really match SoD with LARS, TUIB, BWMc, and at least 25 others and find that SoD came out on top?


Yes, there is. Yes I did. This is a discussion board after all. Isn't any ranking list of anything subjective?


Of course!
But really, Series of Dreams is your favorite Dylan song?


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PostPosted: Tue June 18th, 2019, 11:46 GMT 

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Surprised me as well when I really took time to think about it. I find it interesting how many of his best (opinion) works are those he chose not to include on albums........ Series Of Dreams, Blind Willie McTell, Up To Me, Dignity, Caribbean Wind........


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