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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 18:40 GMT 

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An artist named the Avener did a remix of Masters of War a few days back...

I don’t know much about this mixer/producer the Avener, but I do know that I’m not a big fan of this odd remix of the original Masters of War. If you want to listen to it, it’s actually under the “singles” area on Dylan’s Spotify. I don’t want to completely disregard this man’s work, I know that he’s well known in that music genre, and that there’s already been good reviews. Not only that, but this has the potential to introduce people to Dylan’s music that haven’t heard it before.

But it all sounds so excessive. I’m not opposed to trying something new, I love the hip hop and mixing elements to Tom Waits’ Real Gone, and Leonard Cohen’s last single You Want it Darker got a cool remix around the time the original single dropped. But with this, it’s taking a song that works quite well with just a guitar and a voice and slapping bells and whistles on it. It doesn’t add anything worthwhile in my opinion.

Before anyone could heavily criticize the artist, myself included, it should be noted that apparently Dylan’s group contacted the Avener about a remix a little under a year ago. This reminds me of a comment writer Anthony DeCurtis made about Cohen’s decision to use Phil Spector on Death of a Ladies Man:

“What, were you going to Phil Spector for subtlety?”

So I’m sure they all knew what they were in for with this remix. I’m happy he got to work with/for Dylan, and maybe this can open new doors to a new audience. But it leaves me cold. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 19:08 GMT 
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I sorta liked it. It just needs to have Dylan brought a little higher in the mix. He sounds too ethereal.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 19:35 GMT 
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Tried to go in open-minded & succeeded.
It’s fine.
I hope it does what it’s supposed to do.

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The thought it left me with was this:
“Dylan, Inc. must be getting bored.”


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 20:28 GMT 
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I think they just want to reach younger people with his music. They did a nice job on it, imo. His voice does get a bit buried towards the end, but overall it's pretty tasteful as far as these things go.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 20:56 GMT 

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smoke wrote:
I think they just want to reach younger people with his music. They did a nice job on it, imo. His voice does get a bit buried towards the end, but overall it's pretty tasteful as far as these things go.


I feel like they could reach out to a younger audience in different ways then this. It’s not terrible, but Masters of War? It doesn’t need all that. What about Jokerman, or other tracks off Infidels? Maybe not a complete reworking like this song, but they could do something interesting with it. It would probably be an unknown song to people who haven’t combed through his albums.

I don’t know, but the last time people tweaked Dylan’s tunes to appeal to a younger market it became Empire Burlesque (and I kind of like that album, but still). I also know that I sound like an old grump complaining about the sound, but I’m not far off age wise to the group they might be trying to appeal to. That being said, I don’t think Dylans music requires all that. Now, if he wanted to try a new song/album using this kind of production, and didn’t just hand it over to someone to give it a paint job, I could say I’d be interested. Cohen did it, and I think it really worked.

Of course, this is just a single. It’s a little side project, and I’m glad they got to try something different.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:02 GMT 
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Well...I think the message will resonate with young people, but the solo acoustic performance may not. At least that’s what they seem to be thinking...his old music resonated just fine with me when I was young. I’d also like to hear some modern song nds on new turns, as my ch as I liked the 60-80 year old stylings of his last few albums.

They did a remix of When You Go Your Way a few years ago but it didn’t signal any change of direction on Dylan’s part. It was just marketing. I suspect this is much the same.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:06 GMT 
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Strangely enough this mix reminded me of God's Gonna Cut You Down by Johnny Cash. The ethereal sound is interesting, but I prefer the original by a mile. For me it seems unnecessary to modernise the song. It's one of Bob's finest tune and is very accessible as it is. And looking at the views, it seems it doesn't have that much of a success. A simple music video would have done the trick just fine.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:16 GMT 
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This remix is a bunch of crap. Sorry.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:42 GMT 
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It's a modern remix and as such it's a very good piece of work. The Avener guy knows what he's doing. Check out The Avener & Phoebe Killdeer "Fade Out Lines" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJrUJVtV-E , his remix of “The Fade Out Line” by Phoebe Killdeer and The Short Straws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KG6sh0NB-U .


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:46 GMT 
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ShotofMercy wrote:

I feel like they could reach out to a younger audience in different ways then this. It’s not terrible, but Masters of War? It doesn’t need all that.


I wonder what some younger persons thinks after hearing this 'remix' as their introduction to the song and then deciding to seek out the original. My bet is the original is too plain for them, they go back to the remix. Or, I think mashup is a more appropriate term for something like this.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 21:57 GMT 
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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
I wonder what some younger persons thinks after hearing this 'remix' as their introduction to the song and then deciding to seek out the original. My bet is the original is too plain for them, they go back to the remix. Or, I think mashup is a more appropriate term for something like this.

Either way, your new headphones avatar beats the mashup!


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 23:12 GMT 
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I like it. The song as a whole is not one I return to often, but this remix was pretty enjoyable.


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PostPosted: Thu March 8th, 2018, 23:43 GMT 

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My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
It's a modern remix and as such it's a very good piece of work.

i like it

here’s a link:
https://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 03:56 GMT 
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Bob's original version wasn't good enough. Thank goodness we have this new remix. Now we can enjoy it.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 05:12 GMT 
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It's alright.

I put a fiver on it being used in some upcoming film soundtrack.
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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 05:14 GMT 
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This is the most unnecessary thing and you shouldn't auto tune Bob


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 05:21 GMT 
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goodmeats wrote:
This is the most unnecessary thing and you shouldn't auto tune Bob


This!


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 05:41 GMT 

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McG wrote:
It's alright.

I put a fiver on it being used in some upcoming film soundtrack.
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Oh, joy.

I’m convinced this is the single that is supposed to be released on Record Store Day, but I’m hoping this won’t be in some film. I know they’re making/made a video for it, though.

It’s interesting in parts, but 30 seconds or so can’t redeem it. There’s a section where the chords of the song are overlapping, and it sounds so off time with the song. It’s an odd choice.

It IS unnecessary.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 06:46 GMT 
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This remix is a waste of time.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 08:32 GMT 
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only tom petty could do radical pop,

bob's work can never be transferred to that idiom
because it comes from the haunted ballad tradition.

tom's classicism came from the fifties' atomic absurdism,
and he learned from bob how to balladize that - a reverse process to bob's,
full circle, and its triumph in some ways, being his neighbor and brother


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 08:57 GMT 
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juststepintothearena wrote:
My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
It's a modern remix and as such it's a very good piece of work.

i like it

here’s a link:
https://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo

yikes.
Can´t believe this is getting so many likes in here


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 09:15 GMT 
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I'm afraid I don't like this at all.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 12:20 GMT 
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Oh fu ck, it's awful.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 13:38 GMT 
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even worse than the Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine) remix from 2007


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 13:38 GMT 

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you kids get off my lawn

the song belongs to everybody
ya’ll are being too precious about it


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