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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 13:15 GMT 
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Opinions of Shadows In The Night, Fallen Angels, Triplicate

The arrangements are nice and his vocals are consistently pretty good. In terms of his career, this may be the most consistently solid work he's ever produced but overall, it's not really my thing. I listen to it occasionally but other than the first time through there isn't anything that reaches out and beckons to be listened to over and over.


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 13:40 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
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Perhaps there were contractual obligations that he wanted to get out of the way.

Bingo.


There's no way that at this stage of his career Bob Dylan has a record contract that demands he fulfil a certain quota of records. He's been on Columbia for over 50 years now, sold somewhere in the region of 100 million records for them and is the most prestigious artist currently on their roster. Bob Dylan's contract will be that he gets to make whatever record he wants, whenever he wants to.


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 14:07 GMT 
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gibsona07 wrote:
There's no way that at this stage of his career Bob Dylan has a record contract that demands he fulfil a certain quota of records. He's been on Columbia for over 50 years now, sold somewhere in the region of 100 million records for them and is the most prestigious artist currently on their roster. Bob Dylan's contract will be that he gets to make whatever record he wants, whenever he wants to.

Do we know this to be fact?


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 14:18 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
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Good As I been to you and World Gone Wrong
...there was a period of adjustment in the reaction to those records because fans never expected to hear Bob back with an acoustic guitar, just like they dont expect him tackling songs from the American Songbook.

Finding it very difficult to equate these two
experiences and try to make them analogous.

Not how I remember it.


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Thats the trouble most of the posts from people who dont like the last three records are from fans that cant seem to remember their initial reaction to a Dylan record when it came out. At the shows that Ive been too where I socialise with older fans and dont get me wrong its brilliant to hear their experiences but everyone of those older fans has always liked Self Portrait for instance from the moment it came out , and we all know thats bullshit. We all know that repeated plays of it over the last fourty years or so have meant they changed their opinions.

If Expecting rain had existed back at the time of Under the red sky, Good As I been to you and World Gone Wrong the threads would mainly read like this is right now. My money is on this whole period becoming more appreciated especially once Bob leaves us, because the history books tell it and they tell it so well. that Dylan fans nearly always warm to records they didnt initially like.


Wait.
Now you’re telling me what I do and don’t remember?

Interesting logic:
1. Lump a section of Dylan fans together as if they are one entity. (“Thats the trouble most of the posts from people who dont like the last three records are from fans that cant seem to remember their initial reaction to a Dylan record when it came out.”)
2. Assume and speculate based on a small biased sample set. (“At the shows that Ive been too where I socialise with older fans and dont get me wrong its brilliant to hear their experiences but everyone of those older fans has always liked Self Portrait for instance from the moment it came out ,”)
3. Convince oneself that those assumptions & speculations are accepted by everyone else. (“and we all know thats bullshit. We all know that repeated plays of it over the last fourty years or so have meant they changed their opinions.”)
4. Since one has accepted their own speculation to be, of course, the truth, conveniently extrapolate from it. (“If Expecting rain had existed back at the time of Under the red sky, Good As I been to you and World Gone Wrong the threads would mainly read like this is right now.”)

Not to belabor this Desolation. In general, I truly appreciate your posts, believe me.
Just couldn’t let that go by the boards and had to point out some of the Flaws in your Flue.

Please don't lump me into a general category with the rest of whoever you are thinking about.
I tend to be my own person, with a pretty good memory, if I do say so myself.

Humbly yours,
SGB


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 16:33 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
gibsona07 wrote:
There's no way that at this stage of his career Bob Dylan has a record contract that demands he fulfil a certain quota of records. He's been on Columbia for over 50 years now, sold somewhere in the region of 100 million records for them and is the most prestigious artist currently on their roster. Bob Dylan's contract will be that he gets to make whatever record he wants, whenever he wants to.

Do we know this to be fact?


Of course we don't know, it's speculation and that's fine, it seems a pretty fair assumption on gibsona07's part. More pertinently what makes you think you or anyone else has the right to know the facts/details of the current private business contract between Dylan and his record company?


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 17:38 GMT 
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So did you like Under the red sky when you first heard it? Did you like Self Portrait when it came out? Did you like Nashville Skyline? Did you like the christian period? If youve changed your minds over the years over any of these albums then Ive made a valid point and wasnt trying to insult you. Chances are if you changed your mind over these albums a lot of other people have, did you buy Another Self Portrait when it came out even though you hated the original album? Did you buy the last Bootleg series but didnt really like the Gospel period initially?

If the answer is yes to any of these questions then while not meaning to insult your memory. you like a lot of fans changed your minds over the years. Even if you tend to be your own person that person normally would have changed its stance on things over the years even over more important things than music.


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PostPosted: Sun February 4th, 2018, 17:45 GMT 
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Of course we don't know, it's speculation and that's fine, it seems a pretty fair assumption on gibsona07's part. More pertinently what makes you think you or anyone else has the right to know the facts/details of the current private business contract between Dylan and his record company?[/quote]

I actually was in contact with someone who worked on Triplicate there were 30 songs recorded solely for this project, it was never a contractural obligation.

There was also at least a double albums worth of covers recorded with Dave Bromberg which Bob never released thats where Miss the Mississippi on Tell tale signs comes from. So there could have been another covers album in the 1990s for people to moan about and Im sure they wouldve done too.


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PostPosted: Mon February 5th, 2018, 01:23 GMT 
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charlesdarwin wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Do we know this to be fact?


Of course we don't know, it's speculation and that's fine, it seems a pretty fair assumption on gibsona07's part. More pertinently what makes you think you or anyone else has the right to know the facts/details of the current private business contract between Dylan and his record company?


More pertinently, Charles, what makes my question anything more than a yes/no answer?


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PostPosted: Mon February 5th, 2018, 01:55 GMT 
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Desolation Row wrote:
So did you like Under the red sky when you first heard it? Did you like Self Portrait when it came out? Did you like Nashville Skyline? Did you like the christian period? If youve changed your minds over the years over any of these albums then Ive made a valid point and wasnt trying to insult you. Chances are if you changed your mind over these albums a lot of other people have, did you buy Another Self Portrait when it came out even though you hated the original album? Did you buy the last Bootleg series but didnt really like the Gospel period initially?

If the answer is yes to any of these questions then while not meaning to insult your memory. you like a lot of fans changed your minds over the years. Even if you tend to be your own person that person normally would have changed its stance on things over the years even over more important things than music.


Answers to your questions, Des.

Q: So did you like Under the red sky when you first heard it?
A: I recall enjoying TV Talkin and about half of the songs. I’m still a bit borderline on most of those, although I actually moved from liking Cat’s in the Well to being burnt-out on it since it was played way too many times in a row live. No need to hear that one again. (same with Leopard for that matter.)

Q: Did you like Self Portrait when it came out?
A: The fact that it was a double album was exciting. Yes, it was underwhelming and still is. Except for stuff like Days of 49, Little Sadie & Gotta Travel On, always loved those! The rest of the album became ok stuff for coffee time. It made its way back onto the turntable over the years though… unlike Xmas & Fallen Shadows which made me never bother to pick up Triplets.

Q: Did you like Nashville Skyline?
A: I liked it, yes. Bob’s Kermit-the-Frog voice seemed pretty peculiar as in Self Portrait, but it always made it back onto the record player. To Be Alone with You, Country Pie and Skyline Rag were some of my faves from that disc at the time.

Q: Did you like the christian period?
A: I loved Slow Train right outta the gates, on release day. It had great clean loud sound compared to other records of the time, too. You could play it loud and it was still clear. Some Girls by the Stones did that too. The original cover of Saved kinda scared me with that finger, for some reason at the time, but the music was solid, like a rock. The song Saved kicks ass, as did much of the album at the time. Shot of Love, I never really treated like a Christian album, but liked the music. Infidels was definitely a relief, subject-wise, admittedly.

Q: did you buy Another Self Portrait when it came out even though you hated the original album?
A: Well first off, I didn’t “hate” the original and secondly, of course I bought it!
I bought “everything Dylan” up until that point except for the re-runs such as Essential 2000, Best of 2005, Dylan 2007, Mono 2010 or the re-issue of 30th Celebration.
Another Self was quite promising and delivered the goods WAY higher than expected.

Q: Did you buy the last Bootleg series but didnt really like the Gospel period initially?
A: I never really thought of it as a “Gospel Period” at the time, more of just a weird turn, luckily with good music & strong lyrics. Never "didn't like it." I was a bit afraid of it, really. I tried to look at Saved open-mindedly as maybe a chance to learn something about Christianity, since I only really knew it through Jesus Christ Superstar Rock Opera prior to that (good album if you don’t own it…not the movie soundtrack though, gotta be the original with Ian Gillan, etc.). Oddly enough, at the time, I didn’t really think of Slow Train or Shot of Love as Christian albums, shows how sheltered I might have been from religion at the time, I guess. Yes, absolutely bought the Deluxe BS "Trouble No More," as I will for all future ones, except if there is an American Standard BS, which would be BS, IMHO.

Anyways, this was fun. Hope I didn't offend anyone with my opinions.
Thanks for making me go there in my mind. See you ‘round the boards.


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PostPosted: Mon February 5th, 2018, 04:47 GMT 

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"Yes, absolutely bought the Deluxe BS "Trouble No More," as I will for all future ones, except if there is an American Standard BS, which would be BS, IMHO."



Isn't Triplicate TBS14:The Sinatra Years?


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TheBoiledGutsofBirds wrote:
"Yes, absolutely bought the Deluxe BS "Trouble No More," as I will for all future ones, except if there is an American Standard BS, which would be BS, IMHO."



Isn't Triplicate TBS14:The Sinatra Years?



See I believe if Bob hadnt have released any of this stuff and it had have made it as a Bootleg Series the reaction would have been very different to how it is now.

Bit like by the same token the significance of things like the Witmark Demos and Basement Tapes being released officially were under appreciated BECAUSE lots of people had heard them.

The Bromberg Sessions which would have been released in the 1990s would have got the mixed reaction that Good As I been to you and World Gone Wrong had at the time, but people now would want to hear it.


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