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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 08:32 GMT 
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Mighty Monkey, it's been quite some time since I heard the alternate version of You're A Big Girl Now so if

you or anyone else has a link I'd be be gratified mightily if you could post it. I love that song.


It is on Biograph.


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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 08:44 GMT 

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So I guess we need BOTT on the Bootleg Seris Vol. 13, right ???

I would like it that´s for sure.

Who´s in it hands up.

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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 08:57 GMT 
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You're A Big Girl Now - original master is better (can be found on Biograph)
Idiot Wind - original master is better (can be found on the test pressing)
Tangled Up In Blue - re-recorded version is better (can be found on the original album)
Lily, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts - don't like this song in either version
If You See Her, Say Hello - have not yet decided on this one


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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 13:10 GMT 

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"You're A Big Girl Now" from Biograph is the same take as the one on the test pressing, albeit remixed I think.


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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 17:32 GMT 

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Some of the most knowledgeable and critically astute among the posters here make eloquent claims for the New York Sessions and for the half-speed re-master, some of them have even posted in this very thread. It’s with some trepidation that I disagree, but I have to go with BOTT as originally released. Why? Well, to me that is, despite flaws and mistakes, it’s the record Dylan made and released. It’s the record he’s been happy to have out for the last forty one years. It’s a work of genius in my opinion and you can’t second guess genius.

Having said that, I think it is a beautiful culmination of a certain strand of singer songwriterly introspection , but ultimately a dead end. It has the density and texture of a collection of short stories or a book of poetry and I’m not sure that is what is required in a popular music record. I think the record has been misunderstood and led many of Dylan’s epigones (great word, look it up and amaze your friends and loved ones as you slip it into conversation) up the same blind alley. Is it the best album ever made by a singer songwriter and one of the musical peaks of the last hundred years though? In my opinion, probably yes.

Dylan and his brother recognised that the album was too dark, subdued and samey in it’s original configuration and made the inspired decision to re-record some of the tracks in Minneapolis. That decision, incidentally proving David Zimmerman to be an excellent brother and Dylan himself to be a true collaborative artist opened the album out, depressurised it to some extent and made it universal and timeless.

I understand why people appreciate the intimate, painful rawness of the New York sessions, they value the authenticity they represent - I prefer the mediated version as released because by opening it out it makes the beautiful work of art about my life and all our lives too. It alludes to wider and deeper concerns - Like Marvell’s poem “To his coy mistress” at one level it’s a very personal attempt on Marvell’s part to get his girl into bed, but as “all before us lie deserts of vast Eternity” it’s also about time and mutability, how we spend our tiny flickering moment when we are out of the encompassing dark. Blood on the Tracks shares that with us too.

I could go on and on, but I’ve no wish to bore people. I will say though that whatever anyone wants to say about The Set. The version of Tangled Up In Blue was one of the most profoundly moving musical experiences of my life - which just goes to prove …err, something or another…


'Epigones steal me blind'.


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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 20:23 GMT 
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It all worked out pretty sweetly.


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PostPosted: Sat July 23rd, 2016, 21:13 GMT 
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depp91 wrote:
You're A Big Girl Now - original master is better (can be found on Biograph)
Idiot Wind - original master is better (can be found on the test pressing)
Tangled Up In Blue - re-recorded version is better (can be found on the original album)
Lily, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts - don't like this song in either version
If You See Her, Say Hello - have not yet decided on this one



I feel much the same. Especially the Biograph version of "You're A Big Girl Now." One of my favorite songs ever, and has to be one of the saddest ever. A beautiful lament.


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PostPosted: Sun July 24th, 2016, 08:02 GMT 
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Too many epigones can turn a man into a skeptic
One man's temper might rise until he turns apopleptic
In this day of imitation there's nothing that's true
When there's too many epigones there's nothing we can do

Say goodbye to loyalties, say hello to piracy
Send me all their royalties on the trails of temerity

Too many epigones can make a man abuse his genius
He may tickle his box, rhyme with clocks but it will never sound ingenious
Now a lyric needs a twist, a melody needs a hook
But when there's too many epigones there's no trick at all left in the book


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PostPosted: Sun July 24th, 2016, 09:02 GMT 
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Say hello with dead flowers, say hello to banality
Sell them all my powers of expression and originality

Too many epigones can make a man vomit fire
He may call some men wussies and pussies and others to be an effing liar
Everybody's doing something but it's all the same
There's just too many epigones, it's all a goddamn shame

Say hello to enviousness, say goodbye to chivalry
Send them all my resentfulness on the rivers of rivalry


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PostPosted: Sun July 24th, 2016, 15:24 GMT 

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Well speaking as an epigone I only feel comfortable copying what's worth copying. I won't be doing the SET.


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PostPosted: Sun July 24th, 2016, 15:32 GMT 
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effort wrote:
Too many epigones can turn a man into a skeptic
One man's temper might rise until he turns apopleptic
In this day of imitation there's nothing that's true
When there's too many epigones there's nothing we can do

Say goodbye to loyalties, say hello to piracy
Send me all their royalties on the trails of temerity

Too many epigones can make a man abuse his genius
He may tickle his box, rhyme with clocks but it will never sound ingenious
Now a lyric needs a twist, a melody needs a hook
But when there's too many epigones there's no trick at all left in the book


Fantastic!


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PostPosted: Sun July 24th, 2016, 18:01 GMT 
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Thanx!


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 Post subject: Blood On The Tracks?
PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 12:51 GMT 

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Am I the only the only one who thinks Blood On The Tracks isn't worth all the praise it gets? It has some great songwriting, no doubt. The outtakes are good, too. I just think the songs were better during The Rolling Thunder Revue. I absolutely love Tangled Up in Blue from Live 1975


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PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 14:17 GMT 
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Contacts Among Lumberjacks wrote:
Am I the only the only one who thinks Blood On The Tracks isn't worth all the praise it gets? It has some great songwriting, no doubt. The outtakes are good, too. I just think the songs were better during The Rolling Thunder Revue. I absolutely love Tangled Up in Blue from Live 1975


I think I recently referred to it as the greatest album of all time - so I don't think I can agree. :)


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PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 14:30 GMT 
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Yes, you probably are the only one. It's a universal opinion that it's one of his greatest works, with a lot of terrific songs. And, as it gave birth to the Rolling Thunder Tour, one of the greatest shows ever, well, what more can be said? Bob Dylan at his peak - doesn't get any better.


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 Post subject: Re: Blood On The Tracks?
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chrome horse wrote:
Yes, you probably are the only one. It's a universal opinion that it's one of his greatest works, with a lot of terrific songs. And, as it gave birth to the Rolling Thunder Tour, one of the greatest shows ever, well, what more can be said? Bob Dylan at his peak - doesn't get any better.

I just think his mid sixties work and his 90's and 00's work is more enjoyable


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PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 15:10 GMT 
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Contacts Among Lumberjacks wrote:
Am I the only the only one who thinks Blood On The Tracks isn't worth all the praise it gets? It has some great songwriting, no doubt. The outtakes are good, too. I just think the songs were better during The Rolling Thunder Revue. I absolutely love Tangled Up in Blue from Live 1975


Blood on the Tracks is certainly a product of the the vogue for introspective singer-songwriterly acoustic guitar songs that was prevalent at the time: 'bedsit blues', if you like. I agree with you in that I generally listen to the live versions that followed in the two Rolling Thunder Revue tours in preference to the studio takes.


But do I think it's worth all the praise it gets? Of course! If you are in the market for introspective singer-songwriterly acoustic guitar songs, you won't find a better album. Dylan took a genre and surpassed everyone else's attempt, defined it, and then moved on as if bored with it. Such is the nature of his genius. You can't give enough praise for an artist who can manage that.


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Contacts Among Lumberjacks wrote:
Am I the only the only one who thinks Blood On The Tracks isn't worth all the praise it gets? It has some great songwriting, no doubt. The outtakes are good, too. I just think the songs were better during The Rolling Thunder Revue. I absolutely love Tangled Up in Blue from Live 1975


How much is all the praise it gets worth?


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littlemaggie wrote:
Dylan took a genre and surpassed everyone else's attempt, defined it, and then moved on as if bored with it.

That's what Dylan does best :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Blood On The Tracks?
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How much is all the praise it gets worth?

It is considered his best album by many, and if not his best, right alongside Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad album, I just don't get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Blood On The Tracks?
PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 17:28 GMT 
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Blood on the tracks is one of my five favorites albums of Bob. So, i can't agreed with your point of view.

That's one of the reasons, it is my avatar.


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 Post subject: Re: Blood On The Tracks?
PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 18:41 GMT 

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Its his flawed masterpiece.

He should never have rerecorded in Minneapolis.

The NY Sessions were THE definitives.

Had it come out as originally planned I'd say it was his best album. But sadly it didn't.

John Wesley Harding is his best album.


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John Wesley Harding is pretty good :D


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PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 19:12 GMT 
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Its his flawed masterpiece.

He should never have rerecorded in Minneapolis.

The NY Sessions were THE definitives.

Had it come out as originally planned I'd say it was his best album. But sadly it didn't.

John Wesley Harding is his best album.


I'll sort of reserve judgment until the BOTT BS release is out but right now I think the final product is the best!!

It's a qualitative judgement so we all have our own view.


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 Post subject: Re: Blood On The Tracks?
PostPosted: Mon July 25th, 2016, 19:43 GMT 

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I've listened to it quite a lot. But I personally just don't get it.


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