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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 07:16 GMT 
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Most important: I don't know what "guarding fumes" does mean.

(And the "cup of meat" must be some funny joke right? Or is that really some weird saying?!…)


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 08:41 GMT 
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don't even try - i'm still trying to work out what a curfew gull is (without success)


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 09:12 GMT 
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Yeah he does have his moments! (-;

But I'm not a native english speaking person, so what about the cup of meat?


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 12:25 GMT 
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Apart from the obvious - that they are surrealistic meaningless images that still stick in the mind, maybe because of their lack of meaning - two possibilties.... first in the UK it is common to say of something you dislike that it is "not my cup of tea", it is clear to me that bob is just playing with that image, as for guarding fumes maybe either protecting something non existent, attempting the impossible OR trying to disguise the fact that you are smoking pot by use of incense, open windows, frantic hand waving etc etc..... i'm not sure, and I hope I never am, mystery is at the very heart of truth.


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 12:59 GMT 
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Hey, what about toxic fumes? Like "guarding fumes" by not doing anything against air pollution like all that smog in big cities an such things!


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 14:15 GMT 

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A curfew is a time when everyone is required under compulsion of punishment or death to leave the streets during a time of unrest. 'Gates of Eden' is clearly about such a time of unrest and danger, and the narrator is evidently breaking curfew during this time. A gull (associated with truth, war and peace) glides through the picture and is a symbol of unhampered freedom, in contrast to the human condiition. All of this is carried also in the almost fatalistic melody.

Well, that's MY take on it, anyway!! And to think this is the attempted analysis of a two-word image in a densely-packed song full of imagery!


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 14:26 GMT 

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^i dont agree with that, heres my take.
i think the 'curfew gull' line refers to people expecting the truth to settle itself into some kind of finality. the truth just twists while people expect it to land and settle down, symbolized by a bird flying long after people have expected it to land. the curfew represents man's requirement for a solid answer, and the bird stays out past its curfew because it is not controlled by man.

idk, 'curfew gull' isnt much to go on, but apparently we are doing alright for extrapolating info :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 15:50 GMT 
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Watch gulls before sunset. You'll see one flying high and wide looking for stragglers who haven't yet returned to the nesting site.

Furthermore, Dylan usually writes about people...


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 15:57 GMT 

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Perhaps we should stop trying to "shovel the glimpse
Into the ditch of what each one means"?


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 16:20 GMT 

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lowgen wrote:
Watch gulls before sunset. You'll see one flying high and wide looking for stragglers who haven't yet returned to the nesting site.

Furthermore, Dylan usually writes about people...

glad i read this, that completely changes the line. that's really interesting.


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 17:09 GMT 
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camilla's house wrote:
lowgen wrote:
Watch gulls before sunset. You'll see one flying high and wide looking for stragglers who haven't yet returned to the nesting site.

Furthermore, Dylan usually writes about people...

glad i read this, that completely changes the line. that's really interesting.



Wow - I'd love to know for sure if that's what he is referring to, fascinating


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 17:43 GMT 

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I'll have a cup of meat to go with my bottle of bread.

I always thought he was saying "cup of mead" but the lyrics say meat and it rhymes more with sweet.


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PostPosted: Thu April 16th, 2015, 18:44 GMT 

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honestly lowgen that's the coolest thing i've heard in a while.
i dont see how dylan could be referring to anything else, now that im aware of the concept.


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