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 Post subject: Norm MacDonald and Bob
PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 16:54 GMT 

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I'm a fan of Norm, and I thought it would be good to good to have all of his Bob references in one place (I'm sure there are more out there). Norm is similar to Bob in many ways - you're never sure if what he's doing is the real Norm or just part of the act - and all of his stories should be taken with salt. Still, taken together they paint an interesting picture:

Norm's story of attending a Bob concert, where Bob gave a shout out to Ringo Starr, who was also in the audience (video uploaded 2008): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zvRVn3WTB-Y Before telling the story, Norm mentions that his comedy is inspired by "writers, and one singer: Bob Dylan."

This story seems to be referring to Bob's show at the El Ray Theatre in Los Angeles on 17th December 1997, where he did give a shout out to Ringo: https://streamable.com/izkvn

However, when Norm tells the same story again in 2014, he says that Merle Haggard was opening for Bob, which would have placed the show in 2005. In this version of the story, Norm makes out that he was there for Merle and isn't much of a Dylan fan. He does mention that he met Bob, but doesn't go into the details: https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_contin ... JlGIb_u7Xg

(Regarding the first video, Norm compares Bob's rearranging of songs to someone telling the same story over and over, changing little details each time to keep it interesting, which I found interesting because the story he has just told is an example of that very process.)

Norm shared a story about meeting Bob during a Reddit AMA in May 2014:
Q: What's your favourite Bob Dylan song and why? If you met the man, what would you say to him? What's your favourite Springsteen song? Ever met THAT dude?

Norm: I've met Bob Dylan. But my favorite Dylan song is, oh god...Don't think Twice, it's Alright. My favorite song is Don't Think Twice, It's Alright. And I don't know Springsteen songs at all, something about a dead dog lying in a ditch, I remember that. And then I remember Courtney Cox singing something about a dead dog in a ditch, and then Courtney Love jumped onstage and started dancing... which sounds like a bad Bob Dylan song. But I MET Bob Dylan, that's the interesting part. It was pretty amazing, because I did not expect this. But I went to LA, I was living in Toronto, to do an audition for the Joan Rivers show way back when, and I was walking down the street all nervous in front of the world famous Comedy Store, I kept walking and walking because I showed up three hours early, and so anyways, a car came by and then stopped, and Bob Dylan asked me for a light (because I was smoking a cigarette). I lit his cigarette, and said "here you go buddy" pretending I didn't know who he was like an idiot, I thought it would be cool, I didn't say anything of interest to him, and then I had to go back to this ridiculous Joan Rivers audition. I did get the gig, but I didn't take it. I had to go from Bob Dylan to Mario Canton. Who didn't believe my story.


And then of course there are the famous tweet stories, from January 2015 (http://www.bdcwire.com/heres-the-really ... ast-night/) and May 2015 (https://m.imgur.com/TyGI8VW). The first one is definitely about Bob, the second one certainly seems to be. The first story reminds me of Bob's encounter with Archibald MacLeish in Chronicles.

Norm mentions that he knows Bob in this interview: http://www.vulture.com/2016/09/norm-mac ... k-snl.html

Finally, there's Norm's appearance as the last stand up act on David Letterman's show. No Bobtalk this time, but Norm enters and leaves to an instrumental version of 'You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go': https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mFjEvl43zYY


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 18:02 GMT 

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Nice idea for a thread for the (arguably small) group of people who are fans of both performers!

A few further connections (unfortunately without links or sources):

Norm deliberately brings up Bob in at least three episodes of his recently released Netflix series:

- in the Chevy Chase episode, Chevy tells a story of how he shared a bed with Bob in the 60s
- in the Billy Joe Shaver episode, Norm asks what Billy Joe thinks about the reference in Feel a change comin on and Bob covering Old Five and Dimers
- in the M Night Shyamalan episode, Norm utilizes a Bob quote to discuss the fading/changing of creative abilities
- I think there are a few more in the other episodes

At a Letterman appearance, Dave asks Norm whether his son (Dylan) was named after Bob Dylan, which Norm confirms. At a Conan appearance, Norm is asked the same, but now rejects the notion, claiming his son was named after Dylan Thomas. (Maybe it was the other way around)

Norm's book Based on a True Story is a semi-fictional memoir, following an exaggerated Chronicles template, and on Twitter, Norm at one point confirmed that he was partly inspired by Chronicles.

There also instances where Norm dissed Bob's live performance cause he couldn't understand the words and acts as if he hardly knew any Dylan songs. Then again, in another interview, Norm refers to his last stand up at Letterman as one the major moments of his career as he was able to meet his two biggest creative heroes at the same (Letterman, Dylan).


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 18:03 GMT 

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Ha. Thanks for posting this. It would be quite surreal if Norm could score Bob for his Netflix show.

Sort of related, there's the stories of Steven Wright and Bob.


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 18:09 GMT 
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asdf29 wrote:
Ha. Thanks for posting this. It would be quite surreal if Norm could score Bob for his Netflix show.

Sort of related, there's the stories of Steven Wright and Bob.


What are the Steven Wright and Bob stories?


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 18:37 GMT 
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You people are way too obsessed with my husband. :|


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 20:00 GMT 
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You people are way too obsessed with my husband. :|



I don't mind people being so obsessed with me. :|


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PostPosted: Mon September 17th, 2018, 20:30 GMT 

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A surprisingly fascinating thread!


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PostPosted: Tue September 18th, 2018, 16:57 GMT 

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goodnitesteve wrote:
What are the Steven Wright and Bob stories?


Steven Wright was asked to open for Bob in Chicago in 1999. Well, sort of a quick set between Phil Lesh and Bob.

http://www.boblinks.com/103199r.html

Elsewhere, I've heard of Wright and Bob hanging out (without much elaboration). Makes perfect sense to me. Same with Norm and Bob.


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PostPosted: Tue September 18th, 2018, 17:19 GMT 

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asdf29 wrote:
goodnitesteve wrote:
What are the Steven Wright and Bob stories?


Steven Wright was asked to open for Bob in Chicago in 1999.

And in 1992, apparently: https://variety.com/1992/legit/reviews/ ... 200429649/
I would love to see Norm open for Bob.


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PostPosted: Wed September 19th, 2018, 12:01 GMT 

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Shout-out to hajahe155, who originally posted all this to /r/bobdylan two-and-a-half weeks ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bobdylan/comme ... t/e5921w3/

Would have been nice if you could have credited him, Mr. Edgeworth, instead of passing this research off as your own.


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PostPosted: Wed September 19th, 2018, 15:00 GMT 
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Lest we forget, Norm did a fantastic run of Burt Reynolds impersonations on SNL Celebrity Jeopardy. It's funny.


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PostPosted: Wed September 19th, 2018, 17:52 GMT 

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fvamot wrote:
Shout-out to hajahe155, who originally posted all this to /r/bobdylan two-and-a-half weeks ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bobdylan/comme ... t/e5921w3/

Would have been nice if you could have credited him, Mr. Edgeworth, instead of passing this research off as your own.


My error, I should have provided a link and I apologize sincerely.


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PostPosted: Wed September 19th, 2018, 19:36 GMT 
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Here is one of the SNL vids I remember with fondness. Fallon's French Stewart is equally good. Kind of an obscure character to parody, but I have watched Inspector Gadget 2, despite its vast inferiority compared to the Matthew Broderick original.


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PostPosted: Thu September 20th, 2018, 17:22 GMT 
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There is the Chevy story about Bob (Video)

https://twitter.com/cdanuloff/status/10 ... 3255952384


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PostPosted: Sat September 22nd, 2018, 21:58 GMT 

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Here's another Bob story Norm wrote on Twitter: http://gothamist.com/2015/01/22/dylan_n ... donald.php

And here's some other stuff he wrote which seems a bit more sincere: https://www.reddit.com/r/NormMacdonald/ ... those_who/

But who knows. One thing they both have in common is that they constantly blur the lines between fiction and reality. A thing to note is that both these stories were written while Norm was wroting his autobiography and they almost seem like training examples in writing in Chronicles style. A style which his book was pretty close to, although far more surrealistic.


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PostPosted: Sat September 22nd, 2018, 22:33 GMT 

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I must get around to reading Norm's book, it sounds great.


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PostPosted: Sun September 23rd, 2018, 11:54 GMT 

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Great article here about Norm by his brother Neil: https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/n ... -1.3740268


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PostPosted: Tue September 25th, 2018, 02:32 GMT 
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I was disappointed to find out, according to pretty much everyone who's worked with him, that Chevy Chase is a complete dick.

Norm MacDonald always seemed like a decent guy. Is he?


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PostPosted: Tue September 25th, 2018, 03:10 GMT 
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FWIW I think you’re right about both.


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