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PostPosted: Sun July 8th, 2018, 08:33 GMT 

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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
Paul Simon is a doughnut, Bob is a croissant.
Nah. Paul Simon is a bowl of muesli, Bob is a full English breakfast.


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PostPosted: Wed July 11th, 2018, 21:03 GMT 

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Dan33185 wrote:
I've always thought Paul Simon was the most overrated songwriter of all time.


I'm not sure if Dylan is any better than Simon elsewhere, but in this category he sure is.


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PostPosted: Wed July 11th, 2018, 21:46 GMT 
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Simon is bagels and lox served with an embossed napkin. Dylan is a rare steak served without a fork or a knife.


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PostPosted: Wed July 11th, 2018, 22:05 GMT 
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He says there’s 50 ways to leave your lover
and then proceeds to only tell us, like, 14.
What’s with that?


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PostPosted: Wed July 11th, 2018, 22:32 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
He says there’s 50 ways to leave your lover
and then proceeds to only tell us, like, 14.
What’s with that?


This always bothered me.

Seriously.


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PostPosted: Thu July 12th, 2018, 02:44 GMT 
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kuddukan wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
He says there’s 50 ways to leave your lover
and then proceeds to only tell us, like, 14.
What’s with that?


This always bothered me.

Seriously.


Dylan would have had all 50. 15 verses if necessary.

one of the "ways" could have been:
Listen to Paul, y'all


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PostPosted: Thu July 12th, 2018, 04:46 GMT 
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Peggy Night wrote:
Simon is bagels and lox served with an embossed napkin. Dylan is a rare steak served without a fork or a knife.

Hahahaha


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PostPosted: Thu July 12th, 2018, 08:08 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
He says there’s 50 ways to leave your lover
and then proceeds to only tell us, like, 14.
What’s with that?


I have a book about coffee called 50 Ways To Love Your Java.


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PostPosted: Thu July 12th, 2018, 12:14 GMT 
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McG wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
He says there’s 50 ways to leave your lover
and then proceeds to only tell us, like, 14.
What’s with that?


I have a book about coffee called 50 Ways To Love Your Java.


Now that's something I would be interested in...
before I go...
to the valley below.


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PostPosted: Sat July 14th, 2018, 10:11 GMT 

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I saw Paul Simon just two weeks ago, and I pondered this question.
I say the comparison is meaningless. They are both national (or global, rather) treasures.

They are both very versatile.
They have both been very productive.

I will give Paul Simon the edge in being a bit more daring, in trying different styles.
Albums such as Rhythm of The Saints or the later ones, such as Surprise or Stranger to Stranger, are definitely more experimental (if you will) than anything Dylan have tried.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 02:00 GMT 
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summerteeth wrote:
kuddukan wrote:

Paul Simon does not even scratch the surface of Bob’s influence on music and culture.

Bob Dylan is really a singular figure in mid to late 20th century music.



THIS!!!

What's wrong with you people!


Exactamundo


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 04:30 GMT 
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Having watched the video Benny shared, I have to get back into this thread. In 2018, Paul Simon can stand alone on stage with an acoustic guitar and create an emotional connection with an audience of several thousand people in a way that's impossible for Bob Dylan in 2018. That is a difference between them.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 06:07 GMT 
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Impossible? There's no reason Dylan couldn't do the same, as far as I can see. Some say he has arthritis but I don't think there's been any official word on that, and even if he does I bet he could play simple versions of his classic songs, and audience members would emotionally connect to the point of creaming themselves.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 07:24 GMT 
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You are asking the wrong people.

Donovan beats them both - he even says so himself. Joan Baez is the female equivalent of Donovan so she is clearly better than all of them with added udders (I am undecided if this is a bonus so I'll let the issue hang, increasingly low like a sweet chariot). And then there is Joni Mitchell who, if she could sing, play guitar, and write songs, might make the others look like so much termite gas, something she certainly resembles herself.

in 200 years time Dylan will be best remembered for his contribution to the science of of blue vein cheese BUT NOT AS MUCH AS Kamye West.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 07:51 GMT 
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Impossible? There's no reason Dylan couldn't do the same, as far as I can see. Some say he has arthritis but I don't think there's been any official word on that, and even if he does I bet he could play simple versions of his classic songs, and audience members would emotionally connect to the point of creaming themselves.

The last time Bob did solo with acoustic guitar was 1993 which is a cool 25 years in the
past. The reason he does not now is physiological, and no doubt he would
communicate superbly with an acoustic/harp if his hands were up to the task.
As far as official word, that’s unlikely to happen within Dylan’s lifetime.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 10:58 GMT 
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movin_after_midnight wrote:
Having watched the video Benny shared, I have to get back into this thread. In 2018, Paul Simon can stand alone on stage with an acoustic guitar and create an emotional connection with an audience of several thousand people in a way that's impossible for Bob Dylan in 2018. That is a difference between them.


Bingo.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 11:29 GMT 

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Bob's a far more prolific songwriter . I would put Paul Simon in the 3rd tier.

1st tier
Bob/McCartney/Lennon
2nd tier
Neil Young Van Morrison
3rd
Joni Mitchell Paul Simon Bowie

I am not including bands apart from Beatles

Bob has around 90 classic songs so does McCartney. Young and Van have lots as well.

Paul Simon has already 8/10 true classics . Graceland is a bit poppy and past Simon peak.


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 12:17 GMT 
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arlo wrote:
Bob's a far more prolific songwriter . I would put Paul Simon in the 3rd tier.

1st tier
Bob/McCartney/Lennon
2nd tier
Neil Young Van Morrison
3rd
Joni Mitchell Paul Simon Bowie

I am not including bands apart from Beatles

Bob has around 90 classic songs so does McCartney. Young and Van have lots as well.

Paul Simon has already 8/10 true classics . Graceland is a bit poppy and past Simon peak.

You forgot to qualify your category with the criteria: 1 White 2 English Speaking 3 Born in the 1940s
How relevant. 4 Would be Male (apart from Joni)


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 17:44 GMT 
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arlo wrote:
Bob's a far more prolific songwriter . I would put Paul Simon in the 3rd tier.

1st tier
Bob/McCartney/Lennon
2nd tier
Neil Young Van Morrison
3rd
Joni Mitchell Paul Simon Bowie

I am not including bands apart from Beatles

Bob has around 90 classic songs so does McCartney. Young and Van have lots as well.

Paul Simon has already 8/10 true classics . Graceland is a bit poppy and past Simon peak.



Woah, such broad taste!


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PostPosted: Sun July 15th, 2018, 22:18 GMT 
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smoke wrote:
Impossible? There's no reason Dylan couldn't do the same, as far as I can see. Some say he has arthritis but I don't think there's been any official word on that, and even if he does I bet he could play simple versions of his classic songs, and audience members would emotionally connect to the point of creaming themselves.


C'mon people!
Smoke speaks the truth.

Do you really believe that Dylan is not doing this because he can't do this?

Paul Simon is interested in securing his legacy and wants YOU to connect with him one last time.
Dylan doesn't have to care about his legacy because he has never cared and has never had to care -- his artistry stands apart from, and above, any conscious, deliberate attempt at cementing his status.

That's why our ancestors will be listening to Dylan 100 years from now, while Paul Simon will be a footnote.


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PostPosted: Mon July 16th, 2018, 03:17 GMT 
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summerteeth wrote:
Paul Simon is interested in securing his legacy and wants YOU to connect with him one last time.
Dylan doesn't have to care about his legacy because he has never cared and has never had to care -- his artistry stands apart from, and above, any conscious, deliberate attempt at cementing his status.


I think this is almost accurate. Simon is doing a farewell tour because he recognizes that millions of people connect in a very personal way with songs he helped create. He clearly has a need to make certain those songs are delivered exactly as he intends them one last time. Dylan seems to have no such need.

As for status and legacy, neither of them have any need to worry about that and haven't for many decades. I feel quite certain that Sound of Silence, The Boxer and Bridge Over Troubled Water will survive in the collective cultural memory well beyond Mr. Simon's lifetime. He may be a perfectionist because he is insecure about getting it right musically, or he may just want people to love him. I have no way of knowing. I do know that Bob Dylan played some pretty shoddy live music for at least part of his career, while every time I've ever seen Paul Simon live, he's been amazing.

That being said, I've probably seen Dylan 5 times more often than I've seen Simon, so make of that what you will.


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PostPosted: Mon July 16th, 2018, 06:02 GMT 
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McG wrote:
arlo wrote:
Bob's a far more prolific songwriter . I would put Paul Simon in the 3rd tier.

1st tier
Bob/McCartney/Lennon
2nd tier
Neil Young Van Morrison
3rd
Joni Mitchell Paul Simon Bowie

I am not including bands apart from Beatles

Bob has around 90 classic songs so does McCartney. Young and Van have lots as well.

Paul Simon has already 8/10 true classics . Graceland is a bit poppy and past Simon peak.



Woah, such broad taste!


Yeah. What about Smokey Robinson? He's written more "classic" songs than Bowie, Joni, Simon or Morrison.


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PostPosted: Mon July 16th, 2018, 07:40 GMT 

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Saw Paul Simon at Hyde Park yesterday. In terms of technical ability he is far ahead of Dylan. The last time Dylan played acoustically was 1992, and even then it was perfunctory playing on really rubbish versions of Blowin' In The Wind, but he was never a virtuoso guitarist anyway. Simon is clearly more technically accomplished; queue the usual 'Oh, but Dylan's playing has so much more 'soul'', nonsense. In any case it is clear Dylan cannot play guitar anymore; just look at the pain he's in trying to press the strings down at the White House gig.
In terms of influence Simon and Garfunkel were pretty influential, and Dylan did nothing in the 80's or 90's that matched the, for better or for worse, influence of Graceland and Rhythm of the Saints. I think Dylan fans tend to over estimate the lasting impact of his influence. Give it a few hundred years and in the end history will reduce them both to footnotes.
Two different artists, really only linked by the sixties connection and the 'singer song writer' tag, but they are both equal talent wise, although I would have to say I prefer Simon's latter day output (his last two studio albums are really good) to Dylan's.


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bobfan wrote:
I think Dylan fans tend to over estimate the lasting impact of his influence. Give it a few hundred years and in the end history will reduce them both to footnotes.

Are you a seer?


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