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PostPosted: Sun February 11th, 2018, 17:45 GMT 

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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Desire's the best rock album ever; period.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 02:10 GMT 
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Senyor Timbaler wrote:
Lily was played. Black Diamond not. It is another, of many, mistakes of bd.com. The correct song probably is Romance in Durango, not Black Diamond Bay. Rob Stoner said they never played Black Diamond bay onstage.

That’s why I said “ maybe.”
As much as I take and don’t doubt Rob’s word,
the jury’s out until the recording surfaces.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 07:24 GMT 
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Oh I didn’t mean which is better, I meant do they feel like albums with a similar purpose?


The main similarity I thought of was that they are both the albums directly following my personal favorites- Blood on the Tracks and On the Beach. Both are fantastic.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 09:19 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Senyor Timbaler wrote:
Lily was played. Black Diamond not. It is another, of many, mistakes of bd.com. The correct song probably is Romance in Durango, not Black Diamond Bay. Rob Stoner said they never played Black Diamond bay onstage.

That’s why I said “ maybe.”
As much as I take and don’t doubt Rob’s word,
the jury’s out until the recording surfaces.


Yes... wihtout any recording tape it is possible to keep alive hope... but...
I'm only trying to think logically. Who has the most reliable word? Joseph Werfelman or Rob Stoner?
I hope someday we all can listen this the mythical Salt Lake city show.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 15:25 GMT 

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apples and oranges.

because of joey and the chili pepper song, it is unlistenable


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 16:31 GMT 

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Cold Irons Bound wrote:
ShotofMercy wrote:
Oh I didn’t mean which is better, I meant do they feel like albums with a similar purpose?


The main similarity I thought of was that they are both the albums directly following my personal favorites- Blood on the Tracks and On the Beach. Both are fantastic.


Man, On The Beach. Another fantastic album, I think it’s my favorite of the three (that, Tonight’s the Bught and Zuma). I think Desire is a great follow up to Blood On The Tracks, there’s just no way that album could have been replicated and I don’t think it would have meant anything if it could have been. I guess some of the songs on Desire could be connected to his situation at the time, but they don’t feel as bound to his marriage (except for Sara). Also I think Isis is a more cryptic version of Tangled Up in Blue in some ways, but it also works well as an adventure song, or something like that.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 16:59 GMT 
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Senyor Timbaler wrote:
Yes... wihtout any recording tape it is possible to keep alive hope... but...
I'm only trying to think logically. Who has the most reliable word? Joseph Werfelman or Rob Stoner?
I hope someday we all can listen this the mythical Salt Lake city show.

Sorry go to off topic here, but a quick question for you experts: this Salt Lake City show is legendary due to Bob playing songs he rarely (never?) played live, rather than because of the quality of the performance, right? (reading Behind the shades, Clinton Heylin didn´t specifically praise that show as much as others from RTR).

So, if it´s about the unique set-list, which exactly are those songs that everyone longs to hear? I know about Lily, Rosemary and JOH. Black diamond Bay/Romance in Durango. Any others?


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 20:11 GMT 
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We never know about the quality of the performance until a record tape emerges...

I'm not an expert, of course, I'm only saying things which are written.

The one-off performance of this show was Lily. A duet with Joan Baez. He played Lily for sure. There isn't any doubt. There are three sources (of four) that mentions this song. In addition, Joel Berstein (who was a guitar tec during the RTR) explained some details about the performance of this song.

The reference of Black Diamond Bay (another one-off, if true) is made only in one source (of four). A press review by Joseph Werfelman. He probably made a mistake, he said Black Diamond Bay was performed, but probably he mistakes that song with another, probably Romance in Durango. Also we have Rob Stoner word: He said Black Diamond Bay was never played onstage.

Some links:
http://www.edlis.org/twice/threads/live_lily_rosemary.html
http://www.bjorner.com/RTR%20Tour%20Guide%20Letter.pdf (page 132)


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 20:40 GMT 

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Senyor Timbaler wrote:
We never know about the quality of the performance until a record tape emerges...

I'm not an expert, of course, I'm only saying things which are written.

The one-off performance of this show was Lily. A duet with Joan Baez. He played Lily for sure. There isn't any doubt. There are three sources (of four) that mentions this song. In addition, Joel Berstein (who was a guitar tec during the RTR) explained some details about the performance of this song.

The reference of Black Diamond Bay (another one-off, if true) is made only in one source (of four). A press review by Joseph Werfelman. He probably made a mistake, he said Black Diamond Bay was performed, but probably he mistakes that song with another, probably Romance in Durango. Also we have Rob Stoner word: He said Black Diamond Bay was never played onstage.

Some links:
http://www.edlis.org/twice/threads/live_lily_rosemary.html
http://www.bjorner.com/RTR%20Tour%20Guide%20Letter.pdf (page 132)


Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts and Black Diamond Bay are two sides of the same coin for me, I would be excited to hear either one of these down the line. The likelihood that BDB was played is slim, but I'll keep an open mind. If Lily surfaced I'd be happy to hear that too. The only thing is that, like wormington noted, the show is often mentioned for the kinds of songs played. I've heard that the performances are great from this show, but there's no proof yet. I mean, people say the '81 Earl's Court shows are spectacular but they pale in comparison to later shows from that tour in my opinion, like the New Orleans show.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 20:45 GMT 
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I find little to compare betwixt the two. If were forced to draw a comparison, Zuma seems to me more comparable to Street Legal.

I like Zuma a lot, it's top 10 Neil for me. Desire, in spite of a few good tracks, not top 10 Dylan.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:06 GMT 
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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
Desire, in spite of a few good tracks, not top 10 Dylan.

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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:09 GMT 
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^ Mid-tier Dylan, nothing wrong with that.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:22 GMT 
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A fun pairing game and of course, to each their own.
Ain’t Talkin’ got me thinkin’.
I almost agree with the Zuma/Legal pairing...close.

And I prefer to go with instinct immediately.

I previously stated ‘American Stars & Bars’ as the
natural cousin to ‘Desire’ so will stick with that...no-brainah.

For ‘Zuma’ it feels more like ‘Planet Waves’ is the fit.

To keep going:
‘Tonight’s the Night’ & ‘Blood on the Tracks’

So then that leaves:
‘On the Beach’ & ‘Street-Legal’ which I need to think about more.

These are important things to contemplate near the end of a day.
Neil/Bob Pairings. We’re insane. At least I am.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:27 GMT 
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I like the pairings Barefoot, and naturally Time Fades Away would be with Hard Rain to round out the Ditch set.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:39 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
To keep going:
‘Tonight’s the Night’ & ‘Blood on the Tracks’

So then that leaves:
‘On the Beach’ & ‘Street-Legal’ which I need to think about more.


Hm, I'm trying to decide what Neil Young's angriest album is...I guess it's Tonight's the Night. On the Beach is maybe more maudlin than angry.


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:40 GMT 
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Nightingale's Code wrote:
I like the pairings Barefoot, and naturally Time Fades Away would be with Hard Rain to round out the Ditch set.

Oh no! Live Pairings!

Um, I like your spirit Gale, as always, um...my innerds say:
Live Rust ~ Hard Rain

...so that must mean?
Time Fades Away ~ Before the Flood

No arguing or saying what’s right, just following the gut.

On no, here comes another one:
Comes a Time ~ John Wesley Harding
(A coffee pairing!)


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 22:42 GMT 
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Cold Irons Bound wrote:
Hm, I'm trying to decide what Neil Young's angriest album is...I guess it's Tonight's the Night. On the Beach is maybe more maudlin than angry.


Re-ac-tor?
Ragged Glory?


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PostPosted: Mon February 12th, 2018, 23:19 GMT 
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Cold Irons Bound wrote:
Hm, I'm trying to decide what Neil Young's angriest album is...I guess it's Tonight's the Night. On the Beach is maybe more maudlin than angry.


Rust Never Sleeps (Live Rust).

No contest.


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PostPosted: Tue February 13th, 2018, 01:03 GMT 
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I wonder what Dylan album pairs with Trans ? I guess Empire Burlesque might be the only (weak) choice.


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PostPosted: Tue February 13th, 2018, 01:49 GMT 

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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
A fun pairing game and of course, to each their own.
Ain’t Talkin’ got me thinkin’.
I almost agree with the Zuma/Legal pairing...close.

And I prefer to go with instinct immediately.

I previously stated ‘American Stars & Bars’ as the
natural cousin to ‘Desire’ so will stick with that...no-brainah.

For ‘Zuma’ it feels more like ‘Planet Waves’ is the fit.

To keep going:
‘Tonight’s the Night’ & ‘Blood on the Tracks’

So then that leaves:
‘On the Beach’ & ‘Street-Legal’ which I need to think about more.

These are important things to contemplate near the end of a day.
Neil/Bob Pairings. We’re insane. At least I am.


Now that you mention it, Planet Waves does pair well with Zuma! Style wise it has more in common with that then Desire. On the Beach, that's a hard one for me to compare with anything Dylan did, though I do like listening to that and Oh Mercy together. On the Beach for mornings/mid day listening, then Oh Mercy at night. I don't think they have much in common in any sense, but I like putting them together. Also, in regards to rating it mid-tier, I agree that there's nothing wrong with that. However it ranks high up this list for me. I'd put maybe Planet Waves as mid tier.


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PostPosted: Tue February 13th, 2018, 03:02 GMT 
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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
I wonder what Dylan album pairs with Trans ? I guess Empire Burlesque might be the only (weak) choice.

Right on.


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PostPosted: Tue February 13th, 2018, 05:25 GMT 
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Hmmm.

Joey and Cortez?
Danger Bird and Isis?

I don't know.

One more Cup Of Coffee vs Through My Sails? That's a tough one. I'm taken in by the beauty. I'll say Coffee 6 out of 10. I listen to Drive Back more than I listen to Mozambique but I prefer Oh Sister to Barstool Blues. The last 4 songs (side 2) from the original Zuma certainly have the edge over the last 4 songs (side 2) from the original Desire. I've listened to the first 5 songs (side one) from Desire significantly more than I've listened to the first 5 songs (side one) from Zuma. I guess it's a draw but Desire has better violin. Zuma, of course, has the lead guitar stylings of Neil Young for those of us who enjoy that, but there's nothing as mournful as the overall sound of Desire.


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PostPosted: Tue February 13th, 2018, 08:27 GMT 

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Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:

Joey and Cortez?


Both songs are inversions of history.

Joey, which might be ironic, portrays a nasty piece of work as a hero.

Cortez, which unfortunately seems sincere and totally lacking in irony, depicts the Aztec Montezuma, one of the monsters of history (80,000 estimated human sacrifices per annum, under his reign, mainly drawn from other tribes), as a victim, while portraying a common-garden adventurer, Cortez, as the villain. Cortez only had three hundred men against millions of Aztecs. He defeated them, because he gained the immediate support of all the other tribes that the Aztecs had been brutally oppressing.


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PostPosted: Wed February 14th, 2018, 01:14 GMT 
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Oppress the oppressors with oppression!


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PostPosted: Thu February 15th, 2018, 02:27 GMT 
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When I listen to Joey I like to imagine that Dylan/Levy is expressing the story from the point of view of the ones who felt protected and cared for by Gallo.

Neil with Cortez has that line "I know she's livin' there, loves me to this day". Suddenly at the end of the second to last verse it's in first person. Maybe not ironic but certainly ambiguous. Perhaps Young is also telling his tale from the perspective of an Aztec. Or, like he once said, "just making shit up".

Who knows? I like the ambiguity.


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