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PostPosted: Thu January 11th, 2018, 22:23 GMT 
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After hearing the Fall Tangled a bunch over the holidays I started humming John Hardy to myself at one point and found
a bunch of similar words and phrasing...

I used to have a folk book where all the folk heads picked their favorite "folk" song and Dylan picked "John Hardy"

later he named his LP John Wesley Harding

The name is mystery. Many say John was a black man. Who knows. But he can boast from beyond one of the
best folk songs....

thoughts?


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PostPosted: Fri January 12th, 2018, 01:30 GMT 

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You got a couple links we could compare with? Definitely interested.


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PostPosted: Fri January 12th, 2018, 04:43 GMT 
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About 20 years ago I came home from the record store with a 3cd set of Dylan/Dead rehearsals...there was no tracklisting on the label, just 3 cd's stuffed full of tunes, in fairly excellent soundboard sound. I flipped the first time I heard John Hardy and I flipped the last time I heard it, maybe 6 months ago. Something about Dylan's tossed off delivery is just absolutely perfect, and Jerry and the boys romp along with banjo etc. A real treat.

You think it influenced the newest Tangled arrangement? I wonder...it had never occurred to me.


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PostPosted: Fri January 12th, 2018, 04:46 GMT 
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Streaming here:

https://archive.org/details/gd1987-06-0 ... _d3t14.shn


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PostPosted: Fri January 12th, 2018, 11:57 GMT 
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John Hardy was a desperate little man
He carried two guns every day
He shot down a man on that West Virginia line
You ought a seen John Hardy getting away
You ought to seen John Hardy getting away
John Hardy stood in that old barroom
So drunk that he could not see
And a man walked up and took him by the arm
He said Johnny, come and go along with me Poor boy
Johnny, come and walk along with me
John Hardy stood in his old jail cell
The tears running down from his eyes
He said I've been the death of many a poor boy
But my six-shooters never told a lie
No, my six-shooters never told a lie
The first one to visit John Hardy in his cell
Was a little girl dressed in blue
She came down to that old jail cell
She said Johnny, I've been true to you God knows
Johnny, I've been true to you
The next one to Visit John Hardy in his cell
Was a little girl dressed in red
She come down to that old jail cell
She said, Johnny, I had rather see you dead

Well, Johnny, I had rather see you dead
I've been to the East and I've been to the West
I've traveled this wide world around
I've been to that river and I've been baptized
So take me to my burying ground
So take me to my burying ground
John Hardy was a desperate little man
He carried two guns every day
He shot down a man on the West Virginia line
You ought to seen old John Hardy getting away
You ought to seen old John Hardy getting away


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PostPosted: Fri January 12th, 2018, 12:03 GMT 
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Smoke....I think the newer arrangement hints back at this song as a possible influence.

Tangled certainly has the language of a folk song...as it jumps around...the lyrics are held together, but the story
is wide ranging....

I've always loved the different personalities present...and I think the Red & Blue girls from John Hardy found their way into the symbolic framework of Tangled.

Dylan has messed with this song almost more than any other and this Fall I heard some bellyaching over his arrangement, but i found it inspired...concise & moving.

John Hardy has a lot of verses, but you can get away with singing 3 or maybe 4....

I certainly don't think John Hardy was the main influence, but I do think it is in there.


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