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PostPosted: Thu May 24th, 2018, 03:16 GMT 
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My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
*70 years from the date of release according to directive 2011/77/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 September 2011.

Yes, that's right -- thanks for correcting me. I looked it up in the "User's Guide" PDF, but I skimmed too quickly.


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PostPosted: Thu May 24th, 2018, 05:54 GMT 

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But... Brexit...???


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PostPosted: Thu May 24th, 2018, 06:47 GMT 
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mjmooney wrote:
But... Brexit...???


The current situation is that all EU laws (which the British were very much a part of making) will still apply in the UK post Brexit. Most of the British public do not seem to understand this point, in my opinion.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.co. ... s-39266723


https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/business-law-b ... ole-sunset


Once the transition period has passed Britain can apply new laws. So currently EU copyright laws will apply in the UK until the end of the transition period and still after that til the UK decides how it wants the new copyright law to be.

What these new laws are that will apply in Great Britain post Brexit, in the very long term, well who knows? It will take many years to work out British policy in each and every issue and transfer into legislation. Nothing will happen overnight.

There is a subtle distinction between an EU directive and a regulation. Only the latter is law that is immediately applied in Member states. The former could be adapted and amended by Member states and then put into national law. Brexiteers always pretended that Britain no control over it's own legislation, but it very much did. The EU mostly issues Directives which can then be amended by member states.

So in a nut shell....status quo on copyright law in the UK.


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PostPosted: Thu May 24th, 2018, 14:34 GMT 
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well, my two cents:

** possibly they want to keep the sessions a tulsa exclusive.

** or perhaps the fact that the sessions can be listened to in tulsa, after applying, through some legal loopholes or such, makes them "released" recordings.

anyway, would be cool to have them, but i'd rather have that 1,5 hours of new morning footage.


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PostPosted: Thu January 3rd, 2019, 16:44 GMT 
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sorry for digging up this old thread, but i'll need to add some info that is new to me & that has not been posted.

Contrary to what some people wrote, the JWH outtakes did NOT become public domain on january 1st 2018.

individuals who have them can not release them, it would not be legal.

for studio recordings, it's sufficient to release ONE track from the day's session to secure copyright for the outtakes of that song. for JWH, bob recorded his songs in a row, every song on a specific day. according to the session info that we have, songs were not repeated on later dates.

that means, from the perspective of the session logs that we have (bjorner), all JWH outtakes are copyrighted until 2077.

(but PM me if you have them :lol: )


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PostPosted: Thu January 3rd, 2019, 16:47 GMT 
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sammy's_cat wrote:
sorry for digging up this old thread, but i'll need to add some info that is new to me & that has not been posted.

Contrary to what some people wrote, the JWH outtakes did NOT become public domain on january 1st 2018.

individuals who have them can not release them, it would not be legal.

for studio recordings, it's sufficient to release ONE track from the day's session to secure copyright for the outtakes of that song. for JWH, bob recorded his songs in a row, every song on a specific day. according to the session info that we have, songs were not repeated on later dates.

that means, from the perspective of the session logs that we have (bjorner), all JWH outtakes are copyrighted until 2077.

(but PM me if you have them :lol: )


Very interesting.

sammy's_cat wrote:
(but PM me if you have them :lol: )


So do me!


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PostPosted: Thu January 3rd, 2019, 21:12 GMT 

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sammy's_cat wrote:
for studio recordings, it's sufficient to release ONE track from the day's session to secure copyright for the outtakes of that song. for JWH


What is the source of this claim?


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PostPosted: Thu January 3rd, 2019, 21:40 GMT 
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According to EU law as stated in Directive 2011/77/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 September 2011 the recordings are now in the public domain (in the EU). But since they are not in the hands of collectors (no matter what people say) it does not matter anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri January 4th, 2019, 11:11 GMT 
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henningk wrote:
sammy's_cat wrote:
for studio recordings, it's sufficient to release ONE track from the day's session to secure copyright for the outtakes of that song. for JWH


What is the source of this claim?


do not have a source, but check out this thread.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26311.0.html


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PostPosted: Tue January 8th, 2019, 17:12 GMT 
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My understanding of the EU Directive is that it pertains to recordings, not songs -- so the "release one take to cover all takes of a song" trick wouldn't work. If that were the case, Dylan Inc. wouldn't have bothered releasing Big Blue in 2015.


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