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PostPosted: Mon January 8th, 2018, 06:46 GMT 
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I understand (kind of) a Bootleg Series release for Blood On the Tracks and/or Desire but Rolling Thunder Revue has been done. I appreciate it but I can't really see anything being added that would be an improvement or really beneficial. But then again, they released a crapload of stuff from the '60s so maybe they will. Someone will project how much money people are willing to spend and then they'll start the presses.

The Bootleg Series has stepped up its game since then; two discs worth of material on the Rolling Thunder Revue is definitely not enough to warrant it done.

I think we'll definitely see a Blood on the Tracks/Desire/RTR box set next year, and Lord I hope it's 32 discs large.


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PostPosted: Mon January 8th, 2018, 08:51 GMT 
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^Trouble No More was a one-listen only for me, so a thorough release on the (vastly superior) years preceding it would be a very welcome treat.

Although that period of Dylan's output is not my favourite I have to admit that I was favourably impressed with my 2CD set of Trouble No More. I've played it a lot more than Saved or Shot but am well up for the '74 - '76 release if it materialises.


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PostPosted: Mon January 8th, 2018, 10:26 GMT 

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^Trouble No More was a one-listen only for me, so a thorough release on the (vastly superior) years preceding it would be a very welcome treat.

I didn't buy TNM but had the box for some weeks here with me.
After listening to less than half of the material I liberated me from the duty of playing the whole thing.
Other may love TNM, but I found it quite tiring and redundant to listen to the same message again and again.
I'm really looking forward for BS14 hoping that it will contain the Rolling Thunder years or stunning NET performances or something completely unexpected!


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PostPosted: Mon January 8th, 2018, 17:02 GMT 

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I'm a big Bob fan, but I don't know how you all can handle these huge box sets. Even if I had the money (and I don't!), those are just too big and daunting for me. I got the "Trouble No More" 2 disc set for my birthday, and I've listened it nonstop for almost two months. It's wonderful.

But I just don't need 27 different versions of the same song. Hell, I listened to the two disc version of "The Cutting Edge", and I thought that was pretty redundant. I'd much rather just get out my "Live 1965" or "Bringing It All Back Home" or whatever classic you can name and enjoy it yet again. Stuff that good never gets old. But, to each his own, of course. And I'm sure Bob and his generations of Dylans are happy to have all of you on board!


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 12:40 GMT 
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mystic garden wrote:
I think we'll definitely see a Blood on the Tracks/Desire/RTR box set next year, and Lord I hope it's 32 discs large.


HopE wrote:
Other may love TNM, but I found it quite tiring and redundant to listen to the same message again and again.


holliswatson wrote:
I just don't need 27 different versions of the same song. Hell, I listened to the two disc version of "The Cutting Edge", and I thought that was pretty redundant.


These comments ring true to me.
I will purchase the deluxe set of whatever comes out, just to have it.
But, must admit the following only made it through one spin, if that:
- No Direction Home
- Witmark
- Basement Box
- Cutting Edge Box
- Trouble Box

If the next box contains repetitious songs it will probably end up on the same list.
But it will be purchased, regardless.
Nice to know these are there, if needed.

I do go back to the others from time to time.
For instance, might throw on Another Self right now &
follow it up with Tell Tale!


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 18:01 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
For instance, might throw on Another Self right now &
follow it up with Tell Tale!

That's a helluva one-two punch!


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 19:50 GMT 
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I'm kind of shocked, but Trouble No More is still the primary thing being played in my car 2.5 months later. There's so much there, and so much variety there given the 8 discs, that my wife and I seem to always find something new to appreciate on the album.


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 21:07 GMT 
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I'm kind of shocked, but Trouble No More is still the primary thing being played in my car 2.5 months later. There's so much there, and so much variety there given the 8 discs, that my wife and I seem to always find something new to appreciate on the album.

Same here, being played every day. I'm back to Toronto for the last few days.
Disks 3-6 are probably getting the most rotation. I'm not even close to laying
it aside for a few weeks.


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 21:12 GMT 
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belleseb32 wrote:
I'm kind of shocked, but Trouble No More is still the primary thing being played in my car 2.5 months later. There's so much there, and so much variety there given the 8 discs, that my wife and I seem to always find something new to appreciate on the album.

Same here, being played every day. I'm back to Toronto for the last few days.
Disks 3-6 are probably getting the most rotation. I'm not even close to laying
it aside for a few weeks.


I'm standing in the middle.

I listen very often - almost daily - to the unreleased tracks I've collected in a single CD.
(including Abraham & Jesus Met the Woman).

The rest is (almost) silenced.


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PostPosted: Sun January 14th, 2018, 21:58 GMT 

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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
But, must admit the following only made it through one spin, if that:
- No Direction Home
- Witmark
- Basement Box
- Cutting Edge Box
- Trouble Box

WHAAATTT????

Some of Dylan's greatest ever work dismissed, right there. You CANNOT BEGIN to judge them on one listen.

Personally, the Basement Box ranks as my number one Dylan album of all time. It's a treasure trove.


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PostPosted: Mon January 15th, 2018, 15:48 GMT 
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mjmooney wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
But, must admit the following only made it through one spin, if that:
- No Direction Home
- Witmark
- Basement Box
- Cutting Edge Box
- Trouble Box

WHAAATTT????

Some of Dylan's greatest ever work dismissed, right there. You CANNOT BEGIN to judge them on one listen.

Personally, the Basement Box ranks as my number one Dylan album of all time. It's a treasure trove.

Indeed, if only it had remained buried...

We would be able to long for the "what may be" instead of having to live with the disappointing reality of "what is".

With the exception of the Trouble No More box set, this is my opinion of everything else Still Go Barefoot noted above... and you can add everything else from the '60s to it. After 50 years I still don't see anything interesting, worthwhile, or necessary contained therein.


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PostPosted: Mon January 15th, 2018, 18:20 GMT 
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mjmooney wrote:
Still Go Barefoot wrote:
But, must admit the following only made it through one spin, if that:
- No Direction Home
- Witmark
- Basement Box
- Cutting Edge Box
- Trouble Box

WHAAATTT????

Some of Dylan's greatest ever work dismissed, right there. You CANNOT BEGIN to judge them on one listen.

Personally, the Basement Box ranks as my number one Dylan album of all time. It's a treasure trove.


Just wanna make it clear that just because these releases
only saw one spin or less, I do NOT qualify them as “dismissed.”
Those are your speculative words, not my REAL words, thoughts or intent.

Yes, I understand the Basement Box is fun.
Believe me “Tree With Roots” was my go-to for that period till this.

And plenty of other non-commercial boots from lots of 66 shows, etc., made these new slick sets ‘must-owns,’ but not “must-play-every-minutes.”

Untrodden is correct regarding the irony of wanting what you can’t have.

I am perfectly content owning these BS’s and will touch them from time to time, no doubt, to retrieve something or re-live whatever.

Also, I will continue to buy most of what becomes officially available, as long as it isn’t regurgitation of the same past recordings. Just not gonna sit there listening to the same songs over & over very much.
Very pleased to buy them and happy to own them!

Catching the tour live a couple/few times a year works great these days too, still better than any recording can do (for me).


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 02:31 GMT 
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I don’t think Blackbushe stands a chance as a contender for BS 14.
Maybe someday though.


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 08:11 GMT 
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I don’t think the complete Unplugged sessions c/w the Supper Club shows stands a chance as a contender for BS 14.
Maybe someday though.


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 08:21 GMT 
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Blackbushe?


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 17:52 GMT 
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Blackbushe?


The 1978 show. I don't think it deserves a stand-alone release either. Paris or Charlotte are more worthy contenders. What will be very impressive is a giant box of all the 1978 shows in pristine soundboard quality (I remember seeing a Rolling Stone article saying they had them all but lost most of them).
When electric ladyland was still around, I uploaded the compilation they created (don't remember if it was The Caretaker or Les Kokay collection), along with all the American Fall shows. Available here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... IzvHGrQlOV
Some are excellent (Madison Square Garden, St. Paul, Madison, Nashville, Columbia, Charlotte, Hollywood) while others are very low quality or just bland. Sony could create a good box with this material and the Street-Legal demos/sessions, a la Trouble No More. This would be a very interesting release.

But I rather prefer to hear first the Rolling Thunder and BOTT sessions in full. We have lots of good shows to choose from and a nice DVD will be much appreciated (a reworked version of Renaldo And Clara, in the same spirit of No Direction Home). I also made them available (including the rare Lily Rosemary And Jack Of Hearts rehearsal) if you want to give it a listen: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Ymeq5FB7bZ. The missing link is of course Salt Lake City.

There were also rumours of Scorsese directed a documentary hERe. Do we have more informations about this?


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 18:50 GMT 
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Blackbushe?


The 1978 show. I don't think it deserves a stand-alone release either. Paris or Charlotte are more worthy contenders. What will be very impressive is a giant box of all the 1978 shows in pristine soundboard quality (I remember seeing a Rolling Stone article saying they had them all but lost most of them).
When electric ladyland was still around, I uploaded the compilation they created (don't remember if it was The Caretaker or Les Kokay collection), along with all the American Fall shows. Available here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... IzvHGrQlOV
Some are excellent (Madison Square Garden, St. Paul, Madison, Nashville, Columbia, Charlotte, Hollywood) while others are very low quality or just bland. Sony could create a good box with this material and the Street-Legal demos/sessions, a la Trouble No More. This would be a very interesting release.

But I rather prefer to hear first the Rolling Thunder and BOTT sessions in full. We have lots of good shows to choose from and a nice DVD will be much appreciated (a reworked version of Renaldo And Clara, in the same spirit of No Direction Home). I also made them available (including the rare Lily Rosemary And Jack Of Hearts rehearsal) if you want to give it a listen: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... Ymeq5FB7bZ. The missing link is of course Salt Lake City.

There were also rumours of Scorsese directed a documentary hERe. Do we have more informations about this?


All this talk of 1978 and Blackbushe is getting me excited, though I'd eat my hat if it actually happened...

But what is the deal with the hyped BOTT sessions? Do we know there is anything there of interest? Or is it just speculation? And 1975 had its turn, let another era speak.


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 19:06 GMT 
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For me it is the whole mythology about Blood On The Tracks (the divorce, the two different sessions, the red notebook). Like the electric trilogy, it was peak Dylan both lyrically and musically. The circulating outtakes are all amazing (especially Idiot Wind) and I love to hear more. According to Jeff Rosen IIRC, Bob recorded solo demos for the album without the echo and other songs so it might be very interesting. Also, if Sony plans to release a BOOT/Desire bootleg series, we could find hidden gems like Abandoned Love.

And regarding the Rolling Thunder Revue, while it was explored by BS5, I always found it to be a bit disappointing since we didn't have the full experience of a show. The holy grail would of course be 1976 Salt Lake City (imagine Lily Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts, AND Black Diamond Bay live will be a blast) and more film footage. According to Joel Bernstein, it was a far better show than Fort Collins or Fort Worth, so I would love to finally hear it. Maybe it is overhyped (for a long time we thought the 1966 Paris show was incredible, but it turned out to be just fine, nothing stellar compared to Manchester or RAH imo). But it is always good to hear Bob in his prime.


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 19:17 GMT 
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For me it is the whole mythology about Blood On The Tracks (the divorce, the two different sessions, the red notebook). Like the electric trilogy, it was peak Dylan both lyrically and musically. The circulating outtakes are all amazing (especially Idiot Wind) and I love to hear more. According to Jeff Rosen IIRC, Bob recorded solo demos for the album without the echo and other songs so it might be very interesting. Also, if Sony plans to release a BOOT/Desire bootleg series, we could find hidden gems like Abandoned Love.

And regarding the Rolling Thunder Revue, while it was explored by BS5, I always found it to be a bit disappointing since we didn't have the full experience of a show. The holy grail would of course be 1976 Salt Lake City (imagine Lily Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts, AND Black Diamond Bay live will be a blast) and more film footage. According to Joel Bernstein, it was a far better show than Fort Collins or Fort Worth, so I would love to finally hear it. Maybe it is overhyped (for a long time we thought the 1966 Paris show was incredible, but it turned out to be just fine, nothing stellar compared to Manchester or RAH imo). But it is always good to hear Bob in his prime.


But is it likely BOTT sessions would reveal any tracks not already known or mentioned? I dont mean to be a party pooper, but I'm hearing a lot of what-ifs in these Bootleg Series BOTT talks.

Now, a soundboard of Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts, that I can get excited about!

But like you said, I think we had a reality check with the 1966 live recordings release. Decades of anticipation and no big waves, really.


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 19:38 GMT 
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With Bob we never know until we get it. No one thought about Making A Liar Out Of Me (like it was said in a previous post). Same for Another Self Portrait. From the 80's we have so much lost masterpieces it is just incredible (To Fall In Love With You for instance).
The 1966 box set was still a very good upgrade over Jewells and Binoculars though.


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And, until proven wrong, we can always hope for the I'm cold stuff!


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BobDylan66 wrote:
With Bob we never know until we get it. No one thought about Making A Liar Out Of Me (like it was said in a previous post). Same for Another Self Portrait. From the 80's we have so much lost masterpieces it is just incredible (To Fall In Love With You for instance).
The 1966 box set was still a very good upgrade over Jewells and Binoculars though.


Good point, well made. I stand corrected (said the man in the ortophedic shoes).

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And, until proven wrong, we can always hope for the I'm cold stuff!


Oh, yeah. The mythical I'm Cold. Though I'm sure someone would have leaked that info a decade in advance. (Why are they called I'm Col btw?)


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Good point, well made. I stand corrected (said the man in the ortophedic shoes).

“I see,” said the Blind Man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.


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Anr Bjotk wrote:
Oh, yeah. The mythical I'm Cold. Though I'm sure someone would have leaked that info a decade in advance. (Why are they called I'm Col btw?)

Those 2 arseholes who witnessed Bob's performance of those songs (Burnette and whatshisname) and most likely didn't think of pressing the rec button (nice one, lovelies) particularly remembered a song called (yes, you guessed it) "I'm cold", which creeped them out completely


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PostPosted: Sun March 11th, 2018, 21:35 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
Oh, yeah. The mythical I'm Cold. Though I'm sure someone would have leaked that info a decade in advance. (Why are they called I'm Col btw?)

Those 2 arseholes who witnessed Bob's performance of those songs (Burnette and whatshisname) and most likely didn't think of pressing the rec button (nice one, lovelies) particularly remembered a song called (yes, you guessed it) "I'm cold", which creeped them out completely

Please don’t call Steven Soles & T-Bone Burnett names.
Unlike you, they are respectful friends of Bob’s.


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