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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 10:28 GMT 

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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
or, in honour of Stephen Oxford...

He felt the heat of the night
Hit him like a Celebrity Bake-
Off, Moving like a simple piece of cake


Perfect.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 13:20 GMT 

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From "Is Your Love In Vain"

"Can you cook and sew, make flowers grow"

Apparently in 1978 the backing singers changed it to:

"Can you cook and f**k, do you drive a truck"

Dylan wasn't amused.

Close second: almost any line from "No Time To Think"


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 14:09 GMT 

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'No Time To Think, Best Grab Rhyming Dictionary' more like.

Not many lines in Bob Dylan songs end with the word 'orange'. I find this highly suspicious.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 14:19 GMT 
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Not many lines in Dylan songs end with the word 'silver' either. The plot thickens.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 14:26 GMT 

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Tedham wrote:
Not many lines in Dylan songs end with the word 'silver' either. The plot thickens.


Well, there is that out-take of Love Sick, where he sings

I'm walking
Eating a chocolate orange
Walking
With my hair cut in a fringe
My best friend he's called Wilbur
And his Nissan's new and silver
And he's shit at parking

Can't see why he dropped that for the final version....


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 15:03 GMT 
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Regarding the abysmal 'plunder' rhyme on Love Sick, I notice that it's awfulness has been officially acknowledged in that the lyric has been changed on the bobdylan.com site to:

Sometimes the silence can be like the thunder
Sometimes I feel like I’m being plowed under
Could you ever be true? I think of you
And I wonder

Are there any other instances of a rhyme being so bad it has been altered from the recorded version on the website, I wonder? And I wonder if Dylan insisted upon this change (who else would?).


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 15:10 GMT 

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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
Regarding the abysmal 'plunder' rhyme on Love Sick, I notice that it's awfulness has been officially acknowledged in that the lyric has been changed on the bobdylan.com site to:

Sometimes the silence can be like the thunder
Sometimes I feel like I’m being plowed under
Could you ever be true? I think of you
And I wonder

Are there any other instances of a rhyme being so bad it has been altered from the recorded version on the website, I wonder? And I wonder if Dylan insisted upon this change (who else would?).


I dont think the plunder line was bad per se - he uses it again in 'Narrow Way', after all - but rather that it doesnt make any sense in the context of that verse, or the song.

Emily Dickinson wrote something along the lines of madness being the roar on the other side of silence, and I always took this to be Dylan's use in Love Sick - namely that his sense of identity and mental grip on things is in jeopardy and confusion reigns. That's the whole album in a nut(ty)shell, of course...

A song about being insane is weird enough, but randomly admitting to wanting to run around plundering? Well, I'm surprise Lanois didn't call the men in white coats....


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 15:30 GMT 
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Quite: that is why it is a bad rhyme. He is altering the meaning of the song to accommodate the rhyme. If the character lived in a village, no doubt Dylan would have him feeling like a spot of rape and pillage.

The Nobel Prize? Per-lease.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 15:38 GMT 
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Given the song's title, "I wanna take to the road and chunder" would have been far more appropriate. Nobel prize back on.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 16:09 GMT 

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Positioning "Love Sick" and "High Water" each side of a toilet break - now that's genius.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 18:10 GMT 

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How about...

My landlady says...my bills are a blunder;
I take to the bank, then I refund her.

That could be a bit better than the bit about the pirate, if in Love Sick that was what he meant.


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PostPosted: Thu October 31st, 2013, 20:41 GMT 
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I’ve seen all these decoys through a set of deep turquoise

eyes

And I feel so depressed

:D


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 01:21 GMT 
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hollowhorn wrote:
I’ve seen all these decoys through a set of deep turquoise

eyes

And I feel so depressed

:D


Yes hollow horn
I think 'no time to think' is his strongest song, lyrically.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 01:26 GMT 
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^ Yes, agreed. The whole song is amazing.

Just look at this.

The bridge that you travel on goes to the Babylon girl
With the rose in her hair


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 01:36 GMT 
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raging_glory wrote:
^ Yes, agreed. The whole song is amazing.

Just look at this.

The bridge that you travel on goes to the Babylon girl
With the rose in her hair


Absolutely agree raging
'China doll, alcohol, duality, mortality...'

Exquisite lyrics.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 10:55 GMT 

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You mean, like this...

Warlords of sorrow and queens of tomorrow
Will offer their heads for a prayer
You can't find no salvation, you have no expectations
Anytime, anyplace, anywhere

Yup, I agree. The whole song is lyrically brilliant. It's one of his only really long, mystical lyrics that works the whole way through; Bob tends to be best at his most precise and succinct. It is however my least favourite song on Street Legal; in musical terms it drags a bit and has a slightly corny arrangement. I'd rather take Is My Love in Vain to listen to, though the lyrics on that are pretty shit.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 12:14 GMT 
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Reading Dylan's printed lyrics can be a dull affair.
Hearing them sung is often magical, especially internal rhymes.
The one song that had me cringing on first hearing - I predicted every rhyme - was
Highlands
It took several yeras to grow on me.
It will take several decades for Tempest...


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 12:47 GMT 

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Apparently, that was edited down from a version that owed even more of a debt to McGonagall's disaster poetry and played out to a full 45 minutes long. :lol: However, I think Dylan's vocals really save that on the album, so Tin Angel for me is its sole dud.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 19:00 GMT 
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Brian Hamilton-Smith wrote:
Regarding the abysmal 'plunder' rhyme on Love Sick, I notice that it's awfulness has been officially acknowledged in that the lyric has been changed on the bobdylan.com site to:

Sometimes the silence can be like the thunder
Sometimes I feel like I’m being plowed under
Could you ever be true? I think of you
And I wonder

Are there any other instances of a rhyme being so bad it has been altered from the recorded version on the website, I wonder? And I wonder if Dylan insisted upon this change (who else would?).

Interesting find, H.S. - but 'take to the road and plunder' sounds like a line from 'Ain't Talkin,'' i.e. kick-ass take no prisoners scorched earth campaign rape/pillage and never look back-type exhortation - it never would have occurred to me to change it.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 19:51 GMT 
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Much as I've come to love the song, I still think it might be this:

Oh man has invented his doom
First step was touching the moon


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Fabe wrote:
Reading Dylan's printed lyrics can be a dull affair.
Hearing them sung is often magical, especially internal rhymes.
The one song that had me cringing on first hearing - I predicted every rhyme - was
Highlands

Even if you can almost predict every rhyme, the first time you hear Highlands you're on the edge of your seat to see if the expectation will be fulfilled.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 20:51 GMT 
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JerryvonKramer wrote:
Much as I've come to love the song, I still think it might be this:

Oh man has invented his doom
First step was touching the moon


Great line, with a sure re-shaping of Armstrong's small step. Infidels was recorded shortly after Reagan announced the "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative, but that proposal merely confirmed the opinion of many, including Dylan on this album, that space exploration was a dangerous imperialistic folly, and that as soon as man feels he's no longer earth bound, then his earthly destruction is assured.


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 21:11 GMT 
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Written for the middle school dance, with the middle school rhyme in toe.

I’ll remember you
When I’ve forgotten all the rest
You to me were true
You to me were the best
When there is no more
You cut to the core
Quicker than anyone I knew
When I’m all alone
In the great unknown
I’ll remember you

I’ll remember you
At the end of the trail
I had so much left to do
I had so little time to fail
There’s some people that
You don’t forget
Even though you’ve only seen ’m one time or two
When the roses fade
And I’m in the shade
I’ll remember you

Didn’t I, didn’t I try to love you?
Didn’t I, didn’t I try to care?
Didn’t I sleep, didn’t I weep beside you
With the rain blowing in your hair?

I’ll remember you
When the wind blows through the piney wood
It was you who came right through
It was you who understood
Though I’d never say
That I done it the way
That you’d have liked me to
In the end
My dear sweet friend
I’ll remember you


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PostPosted: Fri November 1st, 2013, 23:15 GMT 
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The Killer Snark wrote:
You mean, like this...

Warlords of sorrow and queens of tomorrow
Will offer their heads for a prayer
You can't find no salvation, you have no expectations
Anytime, anyplace, anywhere

Yup, I agree. The whole song is lyrically brilliant. It's one of his only really long, mystical lyrics that works the whole way through; Bob tends to be best at his most precise and succinct. It is however my least favourite song on Street Legal; in musical terms it drags a bit and has a slightly corny arrangement. I'd rather take Is My Love in Vain to listen to, though the lyrics on that are pretty shit.


'JTDH' is great (ie. The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure- To live it you have to explode)
'no time to think' is kinda funny, no ?


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PostPosted: Sat November 2nd, 2013, 00:09 GMT 

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JDTH? :?


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