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Author:  Something Clever [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 02:35 GMT ]
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A lot of Dylan's greatest work in the '60s is linked with his experimental amphetamine and hallucinogenic drug use...and his fallow late 80s-90s period blamed on alcohol? What gives?

I've tried 'em both and can't say I was more artistically inclined on one than the other...except I enjoyed sleeping a whole lot more on the booze.

Anyone else had a different experience?

Author:  jimmyboy [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 03:08 GMT ]
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Something Clever wrote:
A lot of Dylan's greatest work in the '60s is linked with his experimental amphetamine and hallucinogenic drug use...and his fallow late 80s-90s period blamed on alcohol? What gives?

I've tried 'em both and can't say I was more artistically inclined on one than the other...except I enjoyed sleeping a whole lot more on the booze.

Anyone else had a different experience?

weed weed weed is all you ever need

Author:  ptervin [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 03:36 GMT ]
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Sorry to break the news to ya Something Clever, but there's got to be something there before you try the drugs and the alcohol. Those things don't make art, they just make it easier for some.

Author:  Lone Soldier on the Cross [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 04:05 GMT ]
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Amphetamines are just like that.

When I was taking amphetamines in high school, I started getting straight A's because my attention span and work ethic sky rocketed. That's definitely not an endorsement, because it messed me up in a lot of ways that vastly surpass any benefits, I'm just saying that it really does make you more focused.

Author:  smoke [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 04:13 GMT ]
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Very true...plus it isn't like he didn't drink in the '60's, and it isn't necessarily true, or even especially likely, that all he did was drink in the late '80's and early '90's. I don't want to speculate because I don't know but surely we can all see that there's a difference between youthfully exuberant substance abuse and the damage that is done after many years of it.

The Oh Mercy sessions would be highlight of many careers anyway...

Author:  about1270due [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 04:31 GMT ]
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goin fast ,early on..can lead to boundless thotstreams flowing from the center,and begining of what thot is in the first place..drive yerself crazy with the boundlessness of it all..streams..just..catch a thread and give at it(weeks on end if y don't drop dead,no charm or heroics there)..but the crash from that stuff ain't funatall..lead t nasty habituated,, well..bad habits..and y can only go back to that old well so many times before it runs dry(now speed and acid..is a different story altogether..not many handled THAT well..first hour there..oh momma!!..(i personally think that is why some of us believed in revolution and the possibilities for furthering humankind..delusional??hmmm,mmmm)doesn't matter anymore.
booze starts out so warm and fuzzy and friendly and nice..and like any relationship ..well..can turn to sh$t after awhile..some folks get loud and gnarly..some jus sleep..some get distant..some get real..some get god, but....
a time and place for everything..and everything innits place...
booze and drugs can be a very lonely and alienating road..so again,can life...

Author:  Lily Rose [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 05:02 GMT ]
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I think the difference might have a whole lot more to do with his age than his intake.... In the 60 Minutes interview he said.... "it was all new to me" ..... and maybe there there just was some 'magic' to it....... 8) It sometimes is amazing what you can do when you just don't know any better.... :wink:

Author:  about1270due [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 07:04 GMT ]
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but those of us of a certain age shouldn't be "perceived" as endorsing the use and abuse of alcohol and drugs..there are ,kinda,lotta sorta..ifs involved.....taught my kids what i could about social expectations..(never hid what i was up to)blah blah social norms..ability to function..etc.sex drugs and rockn'roll are fun..just don't get stupid bout it(i did..for decades)...the road is paved with those that fell along the way..and it's not necessary to DO ANYTHING..to be THERE..but be there..live free..and don't mind the rest of it..when it's all done and over..can y die feelin y did what ya could..and did ?!?...

Author:  Baggy [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 07:22 GMT ]
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Wasn't Another Side of Bob Dylan recorded in one night on two bottles of Beaujolais ??

Author:  Mr_matt [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 11:36 GMT ]
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iv never done speed so cant really comment but booze just makes me lazy and uncreative

Author:  AndoDoug [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 12:36 GMT ]
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Quote:
I'm just saying that it really does make you more focused.
That's how he remembered all the words to Visions of Johanna, It's Alright Ma, etc.

Author:  Long Johnny [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 14:03 GMT ]
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AndoDoug wrote:
Quote:
I'm just saying that it really does make you more focused.
That's how he remembered all the words to Visions of Johanna, It's Alright Ma, etc.


Most probably true.

Amphetamines don't get you "high." Just the opposite, do a line of crystal methamphetamine and you will be "straighter" than you've ever been. Anyone interested in the amazing history of amphetamines in America should read Frank Owen's book "No Speed Limit: The Highs and Lows of Meth."

http://books.google.com/books?id=4l9eTQ ... &q&f=false

Author:  chrome horse [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 15:19 GMT ]
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I think pot gave him ideas, insights, etc, and speed gave him the energy to put it down on paper. I'm guessing pot and alcohol have been his drugs of choice over the years. I know they're mine. I've always maintained that I try to stock three basic food groups - weed, cash and tequila.

Also, alcohol is a downer and speed is an upper, as several pointed out. Many musicians over the years have become strung out on speed or cocaine(another upper). Cocaine is so powerful it can pull you out of a drunken state. I once labeled it a "psychic tow truck".

Author:  Untrodden Path [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 19:48 GMT ]
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How come Bob was great on amphetamines and not alcohol?

He wrote some great songs using both... but there aren't any performances while under the influence of either that I ever care to hear again. I, myself, wouldn't consider Bob "great" on amphetamines... quite the opposite. For me, that was the low point of his career.

Author:  Henry Porter [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 19:49 GMT ]
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Youth is about expression. Age is about introspection. Drugs and alcohol only magnify these.

Author:  therevelator [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 22:58 GMT ]
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Alcohol is a sedative and anything that makes you groggy and slows down your brain is not conducive to creativity.

Author:  Warren Peace [ Sat September 25th, 2010, 23:54 GMT ]
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Bob was out of his mind on something in the mid-60's and they called it genius. I wonder sometimes if the early-90's were about him thinking he could do it again that way. Everybody loves 66, but I wonder how much better it could have been had he been straight. I really don't think that stuff made him better.

Author:  jman [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 00:16 GMT ]
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I've enjoyed bob on speed, weed, alcohol, assorted psychedelics including mushrooms and LSD...
Now I enjoy Bob, perhaps even more than before, sober.

Author:  tawdry [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 00:34 GMT ]
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Not all drugs are created equal.

Author:  Lone Soldier on the Cross [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 00:52 GMT ]
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Warren Peace wrote:
Everybody loves 66, but I wonder how much better it could have been had he been straight.

From what I've seen, it really doesn't seem like Dylan would have been able to stand up and perform if not for the arsenal of amphetamines.

We can argue for a long time about the benefits vs the drawbacks of Dylan's drug use (or almost any other musician from the time, for that matter), but I really doubt that he could have given such intense, chaotic performances without all the self medicating.

Author:  Warren Peace [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 01:00 GMT ]
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Dylan blamed his schedule at the time for the drug use. Thing is, he pulls it off these days at a much more advanced age with (seemingly) less "medicine".

Author:  Long Johnny [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 01:01 GMT ]
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Warren Peace wrote:
Bob was out of his mind on something in the mid-60's and they called it genius. I wonder sometimes if the early-90's were about him thinking he could do it again that way. Everybody loves 66, but I wonder how much better it could have been had he been straight. I really don't think that stuff made him better.


Jesus... you're such a tool. :lol:

The entire history of art, not just in this civilization but across the board, is a history of consciousness expanding and altering substances. You think Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Keith Richards, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, etc., etc., etc., would have been "better" had they drank distilled water and eaten rice cakes??????

Take away drugs and alcohol and we know what we get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dx0oE- ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3hGbWwj ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvqPffzDMQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQfkATCpW3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuFvhjEO0Ao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9sEAqEjxs

Does Dylan write "Chimes of Freedom" without having had experimented with LSD in 1964? Do the Beatles make their early records without amphetamines or get from Hard Day's Night to Revolver without marijuana and LSD?

Are drugs responsible for all the great art? Of course not. Are musicians better when they perform or record under the influence of powerful substances? Most often they aren't. Have people hurt themselves and died from messing round with this stuff? You betcha.

"There's no such thing as a free lunch." - Jerry Garcia & Ken Keasey.

Author:  Lone Soldier on the Cross [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 01:05 GMT ]
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Warren Peace wrote:
Dylan blamed his schedule at the time for the drug use. Thing is, he pulls it off these days at a much more advanced age with (seemingly) less "medicine".

Yes, but these days he's not so young, loud, and snotty, and isn't being booed by his entire audience.

Author:  Untrodden Path [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 01:13 GMT ]
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Long Johnny wrote:
Those were the good old days... Love the Dottie Rambo video... absolutely blows me away. If anybody would find that video, it would be you.

That Bob without drugs might be that bad?... Well, I guess its possible. We'll never know. If so, his "legacy" would have been considerably different.

Author:  Warren Peace [ Sun September 26th, 2010, 01:14 GMT ]
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Long Johnny wrote:
Warren Peace wrote:
Bob was out of his mind on something in the mid-60's and they called it genius. I wonder sometimes if the early-90's were about him thinking he could do it again that way. Everybody loves 66, but I wonder how much better it could have been had he been straight. I really don't think that stuff made him better.


Jesus... you're such a tool. :lol:

The entire history of art, not just in this civilization but across the board, is a history of consciousness expanding and altering substances. You think Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Keith Richards, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, etc., etc., etc., would have been "better" had they drank distilled water and eaten rice cakes??????

Take away drugs and alcohol and we know what we get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dx0oE- ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3hGbWwj ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvqPffzDMQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQfkATCpW3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuFvhjEO0Ao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC9sEAqEjxs

Does Dylan write "Chimes of Freedom" without having had experimented with LSD in 1964? Do the Beatles make their early records without amphetamines or get from Hard Day's Night to Revolver without marijuana and LSD?

Are drugs responsible for all the great art? Of course not. Are musicians better when they perform or record under the influence of powerful substances? Most often they aren't. Have people hurt themselves and died from messing round with this stuff? You betcha.

"There's no such thing as a free lunch." - Jerry Garcia & Ken Keasey.


Your... enthusiasm for mind altering substances explains a lot. A senile, bitter old coot on drugs is more entertaining than a senile, bitter old coot without, so more power to ya. The behavior your endorsing almost guaranteed there wouldn't be a Bob Dylan in 1967. That would have been drugs' contribution to his career -- erasing it. And him.

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