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Track Talk 117: Visions Of Johanna
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Author:  Untrodden Path [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 01:39 GMT ]
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Really miss Bob on guitar.

Absolutely and this is one that beckons his touch.

Author:  camilla's house [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 01:48 GMT ]
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I'm not sure if this is an uncommon opinion, but i like the 7:37 "seems like a freeze out" outtake much more than the BOB take. is this blasphemy?

Author:  shitjoy [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 02:02 GMT ]
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Live '66, the best. Not just the BS4 version. I really like the one from Gaumont Theatre in Sheffield from May 1966.

Author:  ForeignSun [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 02:15 GMT ]
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camilla's house wrote:
I'm not sure if this is an uncommon opinion, but i like the 7:37 "seems like a freeze out" outtake much more than the BOB take. is this blasphemy?


I'm in the same boat. The album cut, as others before me have pointed out, is a little sloppy and sometimes seems too jagged for such a gentle song. The lyrics are like silk or lace while Robbie's guitar on the album cut is like steel or glass--the two just don't mix well, in my opinion. My VoJ intake is usually in the form of outtakes or live versions from the '66 tour. My favorites are Sheffield and London. I've never been crazy about any NET performances of the song.

Author:  shitjoy [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 02:29 GMT ]
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ForeignSun wrote:
camilla's house wrote:
I'm not sure if this is an uncommon opinion, but i like the 7:37 "seems like a freeze out" outtake much more than the BOB take. is this blasphemy?

The album cut, as others before me have pointed out, is a little sloppy and sometimes seems too jagged for such a gentle song.


The album version is my least favorite as well. I much prefer the outtakes that appear on Thin Wild Mercury Music. It's a shame you don't like any of the NET version, ForeignSun. There are quite a few beautiful performances. If you haven't heard it, there's a fantastic one from Guidhall - Portsmouth, England September 24, 2000.

Author:  camilla's house [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 02:33 GMT ]
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I think i have only heard 1 NET version before, ill check that one out, thanks shitjoy.
i like the album version a lot, but like foreignsun i find the outtake suits my interpretation of the lyrics' mood better.

Author:  John B. Stetson [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 03:08 GMT ]
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It was the Biograph cut of Visions (London 1966) live that got me hooked on Dylan in the 80s. When I finally heard it on Blonde on Blonde, I was disappointed, it sounded less ethereal/mysterious. I have since grown to love the album cut, though not as much as all of the 1966 live versions.
.
At first thought, it seems the NET has treated it poorly, but some nice ones kept crossing my mind...
Minneapolis, Sept. 3, 1992
Philadelphia, June 21, 1995
Differdange 1996
Portland, Feb 25, 1999
Tramps 1999
East Rutherford, Nov 13 1999
a bunch of pretty good ones in 2000--Stockholm, Portsmouth, Munster, George
Birmingham and Dublin 2005

Author:  camilla's house [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 03:19 GMT ]
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shitjoy do you think you could upload that Portsmouth VOJ? I checked the a-z and the links are down.

Author:  shitjoy [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 04:02 GMT ]
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camilla's house wrote:
shitjoy do you think you could upload that Portsmouth VOJ? I checked the a-z and the links are down.


Sure.. Give me a few minutes to upload

Author:  shitjoy [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 04:09 GMT ]
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shitjoy wrote:
camilla's house wrote:
shitjoy do you think you could upload that Portsmouth VOJ? I checked the a-z and the links are down.


Sure.. Give me a few minutes to upload


"Visions of Johanna" Guildhall - Portsmouth, England September 24, 2000

Author:  camilla's house [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 04:39 GMT ]
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Thanks a lot, that was really really good. some excellent guitar playing on that, and Bob sings it perfectly. Gotta hand it to the man for knowing how to use his voice as its changed over 50-some odd years.

Author:  Viktor123 [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 11:31 GMT ]
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John B. Stetson wrote:
It was the Biograph cut of Visions (London 1966) live that got me hooked on Dylan in the 80s. When I finally heard it on Blonde on Blonde, I was disappointed, it sounded less ethereal/mysterious. I have since grown to love the album cut, though not as much as all of the 1966 live versions.
.
At first thought, it seems the NET has treated it poorly, but some nice ones kept crossing my mind...
Minneapolis, Sept. 3, 1992
Philadelphia, June 21, 1995
Differdange 1996
Portland, Feb 25, 1999
Tramps 1999
East Rutherford, Nov 13 1999
a bunch of pretty good ones in 2000--Stockholm, Portsmouth, Munster, George
Birmingham and Dublin 2005


Portland, Maine 1996 as well. It's as good as it gets.

Author:  Johanna Parker [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 11:36 GMT ]
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Try Nantes '10... different in a special kinda way. :wink:

Author:  DaniArrow [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 11:39 GMT ]
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John B. Stetson wrote:
It was the Biograph cut of Visions (London 1966) live that got me hooked on Dylan in the 80s. When I finally heard it on Blonde on Blonde, I was disappointed, it sounded less ethereal/mysterious.


Is that the Royal Albert Hall one? That would be my favourite version. I know what you mean when you say ethereal/mysterious. It's why I love this version.

Author:  John B. Stetson [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 12:06 GMT ]
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^
Yep--the Biograph cut is from Royal Albert Hall.

Author:  leavinclaud [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 12:59 GMT ]
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It's the 26th May performance.
Something even more earth-shattering happened 1 year later to the day. (Well it was quite important for my mother at the time) Shame it hadn't happened 48 hours earlier.

Author:  Along_Came_Jones [ Mon December 15th, 2014, 20:41 GMT ]
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LonesomeSparrow wrote:
"Freeze out", early version of VoJ. Amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMtDPWqa ... re=related


I think what aides "Freeze Out" considerably is Dylan's desperate wailing at the end, which strongly complements the line, "How can I explain? It's so hard to get on." A "column of air," indeed... It seems, after delivering this seven minute long fever dream of a song, he's run out of words with which to paint this portrait for us, and relies on a really guttural, primal method of conveying his thoughts. The Band as a whole may not have been the best group to back him up on "Visions of Johanna," but I think they create this heavy, swirling and smoky atmosphere for "Freeze Out" that I've howled out at many a late hour in some sort of solitary despair.

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Sun July 5th, 2015, 08:34 GMT ]
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As for live versions I'm more and more partial to the 1999 New Jersey version ("Roadmaps for the soul" bonus)

Author:  Oneofusmustknow [ Sun July 5th, 2015, 15:13 GMT ]
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Yeah, I kind of prefer the older Dylan getting his gnarled voice around the words, often sounding somewhat resigned while he sings them. 1999 is probably my favourite year for Visions.

I'm Ok with the 1966 live versions - his attention to enunciating every damn syllable doesn't enthrall me as much as it does for others. It grates on me.

Author:  IO Farm [ Mon July 6th, 2015, 04:26 GMT ]
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The more I listen to this song, the more it astounds me especially the Live 1966 versions. Every syllable, every phrase pierces me to the bone. Most songs get drab after repeat listens, but VoJ just gets better and better like an old vinatge wine .
The greatest song in the history of contemporary music IMHO.

Author:  shooting_star_night [ Tue July 7th, 2015, 14:34 GMT ]
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Viktor123 wrote:
John B. Stetson wrote:
It was the Biograph cut of Visions (London 1966) live that got me hooked on Dylan in the 80s. When I finally heard it on Blonde on Blonde, I was disappointed, it sounded less ethereal/mysterious. I have since grown to love the album cut, though not as much as all of the 1966 live versions.
.
At first thought, it seems the NET has treated it poorly, but some nice ones kept crossing my mind...
Minneapolis, Sept. 3, 1992
Philadelphia, June 21, 1995
Differdange 1996
Portland, Feb 25, 1999
Tramps 1999
East Rutherford, Nov 13 1999
a bunch of pretty good ones in 2000--Stockholm, Portsmouth, Munster, George
Birmingham and Dublin 2005


Portland, Maine 1996 as well. It's as good as it gets.



May have to check this version out again (Portland) miss this from the set list in 2011 :)

Author:  NEP [ Tue July 7th, 2015, 15:18 GMT ]
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Portland 96 and Differdange from 96
Tramps 99

The Fall 95 and the Sept 2000 go at it was solid too...but the above 3 on sheer power...

I was at the East Rutherford 99 show...and while the appearance of the song was just perfect...and pretty well performed it doesn't have "it". The show was great though.

Author:  Mr. Tambourine Man [ Tue July 7th, 2015, 15:28 GMT ]
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The performance from Sheffield in '66 is the greatest I've ever heard. Just bone chilling. That whole acoustic set is a must-have.

Author:  GoinToAcapulco [ Tue July 7th, 2015, 19:10 GMT ]
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The San Diego '89 electric version, set opener, is my favorite. Plenty of great G.E. Smith twang on this one. Lot's of energy on Bob's part.

Author:  Untrodden Path [ Fri July 17th, 2015, 14:13 GMT ]
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The most recent performances of Visions of Johanna have been a bit disappointing. I haven't cared much for it since pre-2005 though some have been okay but the most recent... I cannot imagine it growing on me. I don't plan to stay in one place long enough for it to do that. It won't happen but I'd like to see (HEAR!) a revamped acoustic version with Charlie and Stu driving it, Bob doing the frills and fills, and Donnie adding his touch. Not a return to the 2000 - 2002 performances... you can't go back. A re-vamped stellar Visions of Johanna would excite the faithful, among which I count myself.

GoinToAcapulco wrote:
The San Diego '89 electric version, set opener, is my favorite. Plenty of great G.E. Smith twang on this one. Lot's of energy on Bob's part.
And I could go with something like this as well. Very fun performance!!!

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