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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 10:33 GMT 
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Hi guys,

I was wondering what the general consensus on the best mastering of the Bootleg Series 1-3 is. There was a remaster in 1997 which has been used ever since. It's the only master I've heard yet. Going by the data from the dynamic range database, it's significantly louder than the original master, but it gets good scores all the same.
So what's the opinion around here? Which one sounds better - the 1991 master or the remaster from 1997?

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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 14:31 GMT 

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The 1997 reissue of BS 1-3 (which came out simultaneously with the much improved 1997 Biograph reissue) supposedly was a remaster employing the then novel Super Bit Mapping technology developed by Sony. Whereas the 1997 Biograph reissue did benefit from the SBM treatment (and still does sound superior to all subsequent releases), the 1997 BS 1-3 reissue less so, although sounding improved, compared to the 1991 release. The 1997 reissue of BS 1-3 also doesn't feature the SBM logo on the back cover.

The best sounding BS 1-3 by far is the recent 2017 reissue, both on vinyl and cd.


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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 19:16 GMT 
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Brickbat wrote:
The best sounding BS 1-3 by far is the recent 2017 reissue, both on vinyl and cd.


Thanks for all the information, brickbat!
Are you sure the 2017 CD edition contains a new master? (I have now ordered it from Amazon)

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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 19:30 GMT 
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I haven't heard about a third mastering of BS 1-3 either.


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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 21:01 GMT 

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Remastering is a great ruse for having to go through these things twice. I know from experience!


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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 21:46 GMT 
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I know from experience, too. Remasters can bring about noticeable gains in sound quality, which can be appreciated by those who care enough. and / or don't own tin can and string sound systems.They can also be a step down in SQ, especially with the brickwalling trend. But, not a ruse in most cases.

The Biograph box remaster that's been mentioned on this thread is better in every way to the original. I've never bothered with the remaster of BS 1-3. Still have my set I got on release day way back in '91. :D


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PostPosted: Fri June 15th, 2018, 22:39 GMT 

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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
I know from experience, too. Remasters can bring about noticeable gains in sound quality, which can be appreciated by those who care enough. and / or don't own tin can and string sound systems.They can also be a step down in SQ, especially with the brickwalling trend. But, not a ruse in most cases.

The Biograph box remaster that's been mentioned on this thread is better in every way to the original. I've never bothered with the remaster of BS 1-3. Still have my set I got on release day way back in '91. :D


Same here.

You omit one important point. It doesn't matter how much someone like me can spend on a sound system-it'll never make up for the deficiencies of my ears. Still, I've always greatly enjoyed anything of Dylan I've ever had, taking into account that some songs are inherently better than others, of course.


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PostPosted: Sat June 16th, 2018, 13:20 GMT 
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How does the Biograph remaster match up next to the Sidetracks CD/Vinyl?


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PostPosted: Tue June 19th, 2018, 09:58 GMT 

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The Bard wrote:
How does the Biograph remaster match up next to the Sidetracks CD/Vinyl?

The vinyl version of "Side Tracks" I haven't heard yet.
Personally I prefer the 1997 "Biograph" SBM remaster to "Side Tracks". The tracks originally on "Greatest Hits Vol. II" and the 1985 "Biograph", especially the 1975 live tracks ('Isis' and 'Romance in Durango') sound bone dry on "Side Tracks". Only the tracks taken from earlier 45s and later tracks like 'Series of dreams' and 'Dignity' sound improved.
If you consider buying the "Side Tracks" compilation, you may be better off with the Japanese BSCD2 (Blu-spec CD2) release of it.


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PostPosted: Tue June 19th, 2018, 12:48 GMT 
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Brickbat wrote:
The vinyl version of "Side Tracks" I haven't heard yet.
Personally I prefer the 1997 "Biograph" SBM remaster to "Side Tracks". The tracks originally on "Greatest Hits Vol. II" and the 1985 "Biograph", especially the 1975 live tracks ('Isis' and 'Romance in Durango') sound bone dry on "Side Tracks". Only the tracks taken from earlier 45s and later tracks like 'Series of dreams' and 'Dignity' sound improved.
If you consider buying the "Side Tracks" compilation, you may be better off with the Japanese BSCD2 (Blu-spec CD2) release of it.


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PostPosted: Wed June 20th, 2018, 16:22 GMT 

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depp91 wrote:
Brickbat wrote:
The best sounding BS 1-3 by far is the recent 2017 reissue, both on vinyl and cd.


Thanks for all the information, brickbat!
Are you sure the 2017 CD edition contains a new master? (I have now ordered it from Amazon)

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Can you please post a link to the 2017 CD version that you ordered? I'm not seeing it listed...


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PostPosted: Wed June 20th, 2018, 16:43 GMT 
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mikeja75 wrote:
depp91 wrote:

Thanks for all the information, brickbat!
Are you sure the 2017 CD edition contains a new master? (I have now ordered it from Amazon)

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Can you please post a link to the 2017 CD version that you ordered? I'm not seeing it listed...


https://www.amazon.de/Bootleg-Volumes-1 ... series+1-3

It's the same mastering as the release from 2010. Peak levels are different to the 1997 remaster. I'll post the data on the dynamic range database :)

EDIT:
Here are the links to my entrys in the dynamic range database.

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/149295
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/149294
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/149293

You'll find the data of the 1991 and 1997 editions there also.


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PostPosted: Fri June 22nd, 2018, 06:10 GMT 
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I seem to remember the 1997 Remastering exercise - wasn't that when the CD version of BS 1-3 was made available in a CD sized box, previously the CD version was sold in a 12" x 12" with a plastic inlay with moulded recesses for the CD's and book? I can't remember any publicity or talk of any subsequent remastering.


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PostPosted: Fri June 22nd, 2018, 11:44 GMT 

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The 2017 BS 1-3 reissue has a new 2017 copyright on the discs and on the back of the book, and also has a new catalogue number, compared to the previous 2010 reissue. That's how you can differentiate it from all earlier releases. It came out on CD in May 2017, after the vinyl remaster which was issued in January.


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PostPosted: Fri June 22nd, 2018, 13:01 GMT 
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Brickbat wrote:
The 2017 BS 1-3 reissue has a new 2017 copyright on the discs and on the back of the book, and also has a new catalogue number, compared to the previous 2010 reissue. That's how you can differentiate it from all earlier releases. It came out on CD in May 2017, after the vinyl remaster which was issued in January.
Yet soundwise it's the same as the 2010 issue.

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PostPosted: Fri June 22nd, 2018, 18:13 GMT 

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The persnickety collector or connoisseur will note that "Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues" has a brief edit in the vocal track right before "have a picnic in my bathroom" on the original 1991 set, whereas this edit is absent on the 1997 set, which leaves Dylan's stutter/mumble there intact. Which version does the 2010/2017 iteration have? (I'd presume the latter?)


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PostPosted: Sat June 23rd, 2018, 00:21 GMT 
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The Mighty Monkey Of Mim wrote:
The persnickety collector or connoisseur will note that "Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues" has a brief edit in the vocal track right before "have a picnic in my bathroom" on the original 1991 set, whereas this edit is absent on the 1997 set, which leaves Dylan's stutter/mumble there intact. Which version does the 2010/2017 iteration have? (I'd presume the latter?)
I'll have to get back to you on that. As I found out, I don't own the 1997 remaster, only the 2010/2017 one and I've recently acquired the 1991 master. Should be enough to compare :)

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PostPosted: Sat June 23rd, 2018, 11:46 GMT 
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I have both the original CD releases of BS 1-3 & Bio.
But these days I mostly listen to music using Apple Music. Does any
of the remastering discussion in this thread apply if using
streaming services such as Apple Music, Spotify, etc?


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PostPosted: Sat June 23rd, 2018, 16:53 GMT 
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Dylan007 wrote:
I have both the original CD releases of BS 1-3 & Bio.
But these days I mostly listen to music using Apple Music. Does any
of the remastering discussion in this thread apply if using
streaming services such as Apple Music, Spotify, etc?


I have both original releases as well and was wondering the same thing...


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PostPosted: Sat June 23rd, 2018, 19:10 GMT 
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Why the fluck would Sony see fit to 'remaster' this three times ? This is an item of relatively limited sales potential in any case.


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PostPosted: Sun June 24th, 2018, 06:22 GMT 

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Do all the reissues have the crossfade between "When the night comes falling" and "Series of dreams"? If yes, does anyone know of a place where I can hear the former song without it being cut off half-way through the final fade? All the versions I've found on the streaming sites have the same timing as the CD track (5:37), so I assume they all get cut off.


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PostPosted: Mon June 25th, 2018, 21:56 GMT 

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Zeke the Cork wrote:
Do all the reissues have the crossfade between "When the night comes falling" and "Series of dreams"? If yes, does anyone know of a place where I can hear the former song without it being cut off half-way through the final fade? All the versions I've found on the streaming sites have the same timing as the CD track (5:37), so I assume they all get cut off.


I'm not aware of any version of "When the Night Comes Falling" that doesn't crossfade into "Series of Dreams" (unfortunately).


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