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PostPosted: Mon March 7th, 2011, 16:29 GMT 
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Just read from a link on ER front page today that the reason Bob didn't perform in China last year was because he would not comply w "the Ministry of Culture’s demand that Dylan sign a pledge promising "not to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" during his performances."

Sooooooooo. do you think the Ministry removed the stipulation, or that Bob did sign "the pledge"?

Maybe he'll add something to his show intro like: "Ladies and gentlemen please welcome the poet laureate of rock 'n' roll. The voice of the promise of the 60s counterculture. The guy who forced folk into bed with rock. And potential Chinese people feelings hurter.... Ladies and gentlemen, Columbia Recording Artist, Bob Dylan" :) :?: :?: :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon March 7th, 2011, 17:41 GMT 

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his recent lack of creativity (song choice and arrangements) has hurt my feelings I havent seen him since 2007 though - I guess Bob wont begin to preach again all of a sudden so i guess as long as he doesnt play certain songs that wont hurt anyone...


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PostPosted: Mon March 7th, 2011, 17:45 GMT 
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How many people are offended just by the way he sings his old stuff now?
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Sounds like a tough pledge to keep, given the variety of people attending, not to mention the possibility that his cowboy outfits would prove offensive to non-cowboy Chinese or his habit of eating small babies to the bleeding heart lefties there.

Face it, people, Bob Dylan is not your lap dog.


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PostPosted: Mon March 7th, 2011, 20:30 GMT 
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So, Bob is not...pledging his time?

/ducks


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PostPosted: Mon March 7th, 2011, 23:56 GMT 
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bottle of bread wrote:
So, Bob is not...pledging his time?

/ducks


haha :lol:

PS what does "/ducks" mean???


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 00:05 GMT 

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Now really, jokes about clothes and voice aside, and given the fact that he's not likely to go into a long anti-China rant every night, how many songs are there in his current live repertoire that could be deemed offensive by Chinese officals? And how many of these songs are in the set every night and would be missed if they were dropped for the two (!) shows in question?

They may ask him to not do "John Birch Paranoid Blues"; but then again, it wouldn't be too hard for Dylan to comply with that request, I would think. Also, it's a funny way of earning your money if you get paid NOT to sing certain songs.


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 00:13 GMT 
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Only by not playing anything from Christmas In The Heart, But, then, I'm not Chinese.


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 00:19 GMT 
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this really is rather funny.... they are worried he will say something
..... and the rest of us are waiting for him to say anything (beside the band intro's)...... :lol:


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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, the poet laureate of rock'n'roll, the voice and promise of the 60s counterculture, the guy who forced folk into bed with rock, who donned makeup in the 70s and disappeared into a haze of substance abuse, who emerged to find Jesus, who was written off as a has-been by the end of the late-80s, and has suddenly shifted gears, releasing some of the strongest music of his life, beginning the late-90s. Ladies and gentlemen, Columbia recording artist Bob D---oh, and also, you guys suck. Columbia recording artist, Bob Dylan!


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 02:01 GMT 
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Anything But A Roll wrote:
Just read from a link on ER front page today that the reason Bob didn't perform in China last year was because he would not comply w "the Ministry of Culture’s demand that Dylan sign a pledge promising "not to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" during his performances."

Sooooooooo. do you think the Ministry removed the stipulation, or that Bob did sign "the pledge"?

Maybe he'll add something to his show intro like: "Ladies and gentlemen please welcome the poet laureate of rock 'n' roll. The voice of the promise of the 60s counterculture. The guy who forced folk into bed with rock. And potential Chinese people feelings hurter.... Ladies and gentlemen, Columbia Recording Artist, Bob Dylan" :) :?: :?: :roll:


I am screaming with laughter right now...


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 12:48 GMT 
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bottle of bread wrote:
So, Bob is not...pledging his time?

/ducks


He's ducking so you don't slap him for the bad joke.


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 15:36 GMT 
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Thanks, Babe. You're the coolest that you know that. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 16:04 GMT 
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Even if Bobby said something at a show that could hurt somebody's feelings, nobody would be able to understand what he is saying.

I should probably duck, too!!!


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 16:26 GMT 
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Yes! Every time, when he left the stage. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 17:21 GMT 
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GuillemTM wrote:
Yes! Every time, when he left the stage. 8)


So true.

I think I've figured out why they wanted Bob to sign the pledge.


Now your dancing child with his Chinese suit
He spoke to me, I took his flute
No, I wasn't very cute to him, was I?


Conclusion: Bob was a bully because the kid was wearing Chinese.

The PLA enforcers will be on hand to nab the Bobster if a note of "I Want You" is sung. Wonder what will happen if he sings, Blowin' or Hard Rain or Masters of War or John Brown or Hollis Brown or ...?


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PostPosted: Tue March 8th, 2011, 17:34 GMT 

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Anything But A Roll wrote:
Just read from a link on ER front page today that the reason Bob didn't perform in China last year was because he would not comply w "the Ministry of Culture’s demand that Dylan sign a pledge promising "not to hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" during his performances."


It's a good story, but it's probably not true.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... e-1/38746/


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PostPosted: Wed March 9th, 2011, 10:28 GMT 

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I just say: Stuttgart 1991


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PostPosted: Thu March 10th, 2011, 02:09 GMT 
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slewan wrote:
I just say: Stuttgart 1991
I don't think Stuttgart 1991 is that bad (I posted a review in the Discuss Rare Recordings section). That said, you are not alone in your assessment and I will agree, the show doesn't make my top 100 NET shows. :lol:

The review suffers from a glitch in my memory... an almost inexcusable glitch, I forgot the year G.E. Smith was replaced by J.J. Jackson...

Losing your mind is a terrible thing. :(


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PostPosted: Thu March 10th, 2011, 11:49 GMT 
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What would actually happen to Dylan if he violated this pledge? Would they have the power to reclaim his payment or something? Short of that (or jail) I don't see why he should care.


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PostPosted: Thu March 10th, 2011, 12:13 GMT 

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[quote="Untrodden Path"][quote="slewan"]I just say: Stuttgart 1991[/quote]I don't think Stuttgart 1991 is that bad (I posted a review in the [color=#0000FF][b][i]Discuss Rare Recordings[/i][/b][/color] section). That said, you are not alone in your assessment and I will agree, the show doesn't make my top 100 [color=#800000][b]NET[/b][/color] shows. :lol: :([/quote]

it's in my personal top 100 - but just because I have only been to 91 shows…

anyway: Stuttgart 1991 is that bad or maybe even worse. I have been there and never found a reason to change my mind. As somebody (Heylin?) put it: it was the worst performance of any major artist in recent years


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PostPosted: Thu March 10th, 2011, 21:25 GMT 
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I think insular, group-thinking, doctrinal Chinese officials should leave the determination of whether Bob offends to a more objective and free-thinking third party, perhaps to the regulars here on ER's "Bob Dylan Tour" boards.


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PostPosted: Thu March 10th, 2011, 21:40 GMT 
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^ Poor Bobby!


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PostPosted: Mon March 14th, 2011, 03:04 GMT 
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My ears.....yes, my feelings.....no way.


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PostPosted: Mon March 14th, 2011, 04:27 GMT 

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Warren Peace wrote:
What would actually happen to Dylan if he violated this pledge? Would they have the power to reclaim his payment or something? Short of that (or jail) I don't see why he should care.


Don't worry. I don't think any Chinese official will be able to tell one song from another in a live Dylan performance. I bet half of the audience can't either.


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PostPosted: Mon March 14th, 2011, 08:12 GMT 
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Bob Dylan responds to hurt feelings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm1pLiyrGyw


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