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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:22 GMT 
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Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen are my two favorite recording artists. In truth, I haven't come upon anyone else who puts words to music that is in their class lyrics-wise. But I'm really hankering for a new infusion of songs in my life.

Can anyone recommend other songwriters who combine poetry and music as well, or nearly as well, as do these two? Is there anyone else operating at that level of depth that BD and LC inhabit? I'd love to be introduced to some new music. Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts!


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:24 GMT 
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Not that they're "new" by any means, but I put Neil Young and Joni Mitchell in that category as well.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:28 GMT 
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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:36 GMT 
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I'd have to say John Prine. Some of Springsteen's later (quieter) works are excellent. Mary Gauthier is well worth a listen as is Gillian Welch.
I'd put Van Morrison up there alongside Dylan, but for different reasons.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:36 GMT 
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Townes Van Zandt


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:38 GMT 

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I would say Van Morrison, Astral Weeks is one of the most magical albums ever, considering both the music and the words.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:42 GMT 
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Nick Cave -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0-cncMpt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlaV-9Vzsk

Into My Arms

I don't believe in an interventionist God
But I know, darling, that you do
But if I did I would kneel down and ask Him
Not to intervene when it came to you
Not to touch a hair on your head
To leave you as you are
And if He felt He had to direct you
Then direct you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I don't believe in the existence of angels
But looking at you I wonder if that's true
But if I did I would summon them together
And ask them to watch over you
To each burn a candle for you
To make bright and clear your path
And to walk, like Christ, in grace and love
And guide you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I believe in Love
And I know that you do too
And I believe in some kind of path
That we can walk down, me and you
So keep your candlew burning
And make her journey bright and pure
That she will keep returning
Always and evermore

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:51 GMT 
If you like jazz, check out Mose Allison. A sample lyric:

Ever since the world ended,
I don't go out as much.
People that I once befriended
Just don't bother to stay in touch.
Things that used to seem so splendid
Don't really matter today.
It's just as well the world ended--
It wasn't working anyway.

Every since the world ended,
There's no more bible belt.
Remember how we all pretended?
Going 'round, lying 'bout the way we felt.
Every rule has been amended,
There's no one keeping score.
It's just as well the world ended
We couldn't have taken much more.

Ever since the world ended,
There's no more black or white.
Ever since we all got blended,
there's no more reason to fuss and fight.
Dogmas that we once defended
no longer seem worthwhile.
Ever since the world ended,
I face the future--
With a smile.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:55 GMT 
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Randy Newman - especially on the albums Sail Away, Good Ol' Boys, Little Criminals, 12 Songs, Randy Newman Live and Land of Dreams_ matches or surpassed Bob and Leonard's work in its own unique way.

His latest Harps and Angels (2008) is also magnificent.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 21:59 GMT 

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rhymebot wrote:
Townes Van Zandt


This. Townes is great. Different style from Dylan and Cohen, but just as good.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:20 GMT 
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Truman Peyote wrote:
Nick Cave -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0-cncMpt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlaV-9Vzsk

Into My Arms

I don't believe in an interventionist God
But I know, darling, that you do
But if I did I would kneel down and ask Him
Not to intervene when it came to you
Not to touch a hair on your head
To leave you as you are
And if He felt He had to direct you
Then direct you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I don't believe in the existence of angels
But looking at you I wonder if that's true
But if I did I would summon them together
And ask them to watch over you
To each burn a candle for you
To make bright and clear your path
And to walk, like Christ, in grace and love
And guide you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I believe in Love
And I know that you do too
And I believe in some kind of path
That we can walk down, me and you
So keep your candlew burning
And make her journey bright and pure
That she will keep returning
Always and evermore

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms


This beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

What would you recommend as someone's first Nick Cave album?


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:22 GMT 
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dsavereide wrote:
If you like jazz, check out Mose Allison. A sample lyric:

Ever since the world ended,
I don't go out as much.
People that I once befriended
Just don't bother to stay in touch.
Things that used to seem so splendid
Don't really matter today.
It's just as well the world ended--
It wasn't working anyway.

Every since the world ended,
There's no more bible belt.
Remember how we all pretended?
Going 'round, lying 'bout the way we felt.
Every rule has been amended,
There's no one keeping score.
It's just as well the world ended
We couldn't have taken much more.

Ever since the world ended,
There's no more black or white.
Ever since we all got blended,
there's no more reason to fuss and fight.
Dogmas that we once defended
no longer seem worthwhile.
Ever since the world ended,
I face the future--
With a smile.


I went to youtube to give it a listen. Thanks. I enjoyed this!


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:23 GMT 

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Nick Cave, 97 onwards - Tom Waits (but the voice doesn't help) - Conor Oberst ...


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:24 GMT 
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Thank you everyone. These recommendations are great. Okay...so I just started getting into John Prine. I think he's excellent. "Angel from Montgomery," "Fish and Whistle," and "Killing the Blues" are in my head. I really like what I hear so far.

I know some Joni and lots of Neil. Although I love Neil, wouldn't quite put him in the [i]same[i] lyrical class as Bob or Leonard.

Bruce...grew up on Bruce in NJ. Think he has moments of brilliance but but like Neil, just a cut below as a lyricist. Ditto to Van Morrison.

Randy Newman...don't know much beyond a few songs. Thanks for the album recommendations.

As far as Townes Van Zandt...I'm intrigued. Can anyone recommend a good starting album (or perhaps what you think are his best)?


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:30 GMT 
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Nick Cave really is up there with Cohen, maybe not quite as great, lyrically, as Dylan. But cloe. Try his album No More Shall We Part if you're a lyric fan. Here's a song from that album:

Quote:
Hallelujah by Nick Cave

On the first day of May I took to the road
I'd been staring out the window most of the morning
I'd watched the rain claw at the glass
And a vicious wind blew hard and fast
I should have taken it as a warning
As a warning As a warning
As a warning

I'd given my nurse the weekend off
My meals were ill prepared
My typewriter had turned mute as a tomb
And my piano crouched in the corner of my room
With all its teeth bared
All its teeth bared All its teeth bared
All its teeth bared.

Hallelujah Hallelujah
Hallelujah Hallelujah

I left my house without my coat
Something my nurse would not have allowed
And I took the small roads out of town
And I passed a cow and the cow was brown
And my pyjamas clung to me like a shroud
Like a shroud Like a shroud
Like a shroud

There rose before me a little house
With all hope and dreams kept within
A woman's voice close to my ear
Said, "Why don't you come in here?"
"You looked soaked to the skin"
Soaked to the skin Soaked to the skin
Soaked to the skin

Hallelujah Hallelujah
Hallelujah Hallelujah

I turned to the woman and the woman was young
I extended a hearty salutation
But I knew if my nurse had been here
She would never in a thousand years
Permit me to accept that invitation
Invitation That invitation
That invitation

Now, you might think it wise to risk it all
Throw caution to the reckless wind
But with her hot cocoa and her medication
My nurse had been my one salvation
So I turned back home
I turned back home I turned back home
Singing my song

Hallelujah
The tears are welling in my eyes again
Hallelujah
I need twenty big buckets to catch them in
Hallelujah
And twenty pretty girls to carry
them down
Hallelujah
And twenty deep holes to bury them in
Hallelujah
The tears are welling in my eyes again
Hallelujah
I need twenty big buckets to catch them in
Hallelujah
And twenty pretty girls to carry them down
Hallelujah
And twenty deep holes to bury them in


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:32 GMT 

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Mr Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Richard Thompson


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 22:34 GMT 
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On the other hand, if you just want some laid back enjoyment, I'd go for Kate Rusby.


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2010, 23:15 GMT 
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Yeah, Mose Allison for sure, always thought of him as the comic Edgar Allen Poe of jazz.

Also, maybe check out Canadian artist David Francey's first three cd's, puts words together poet like much in the vein of Bob.


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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2010, 00:06 GMT 
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Warren Zevon.


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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2010, 00:29 GMT 

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agree with the Randy Newman and Springsteen suggestions

though I'm sure Springsteen's music is familiar to you. Likewise with George Harrison, but if you haven't explored his solo stuff, you really should.

But i would also highly recommend Harry Nilsson.


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Me.


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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2010, 00:41 GMT 
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I have to say I have been dealing with your very problem for longer than I care to mention... So this warrants a rare post!

Though I am a huge Young and Van fan, for me, although these two come near there's still a (hell of a) gap.

I love Townes and Elliot Smith and that deserves a line of its own.
(see ownline reference above)
If your looking for something a little more recent and random, for the last 6 or 7 years or so I have been a strong advocate of a British songwriter called Stephen Fretwell - His first album 'magpie' is magnificent. Although I may get jumped on for saying so I thought all three of Ryan Adams's albums from 2005 were wonderful... and all in different ways which is rare to find these days. Last of all I will throw in Richard Hawley... a beautiful last minute discovery for the world to enjoy.

Hope this helps, they are all still mainstream but maybe you missed one.


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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2010, 00:49 GMT 
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Neil Young.

And if you're looking for someone who accomplishes with melody and harmony what Bob does with lyrics, Brian Wilson.


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tom waits
lucinda williams
townes van zandt
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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2010, 01:01 GMT 
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yopietro wrote:
Thank you everyone. These recommendations are great. Okay...so I just started getting into John Prine. I think he's excellent. "Angel from Montgomery," "Fish and Whistle," and "Killing the Blues" are in my head. I really like what I hear so far.

I know some Joni and lots of Neil. Although I love Neil, wouldn't quite put him in the [i]same[i] lyrical class as Bob or Leonard.

Bruce...grew up on Bruce in NJ. Think he has moments of brilliance but but like Neil, just a cut below as a lyricist. Ditto to Van Morrison.

Randy Newman...don't know much beyond a few songs. Thanks for the album recommendations.

As far as Townes Van Zandt...I'm intrigued. Can anyone recommend a good starting album (or perhaps what you think are his best)?


I fully agree that Neil Young (& Joni Mitchell for that matter) aren't in the same class as Dylan, or even the one right below it. Right below Dylan, I go with Townes Van Zandt, Kris Kristofferson, Leonard Cohen, and Tom Waits (though I haven't properly heard a few of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread). Here are a few personal favorites I'd highly recommend to start with:

Townes Van Zandt: Be Here To Love Me Soundtrack (nice enough sampler, though some big songs aren't on there; the documentary is great too), a compilation like The Best Of TVZ (single-disc) or Legend (2-CD), a live album like Live At The Old Quarter (classic) or Rear View Mirror, a studio album like the self-titled album (which is absolutely beautiful) or Delta Momma Blues

Kris Kristofferson: The Essential Kris Kristofferson (nice compilation, surely does better justice to his ouevre than the equivalent Dylan set), This Old Road (great recent album), Broken Freedom Song (great recent live album), The Austin Sessions (set of recent rerecordings that works as a decent single-disc hits album)

Tom Waits: Not as familiar with his whole body of work, but some good ones are Small Change, Orphans, Glitter & Doom Live, Nighthawks At The Diner, The Heart Of Saturday Night, Rain Dogs, Alice...


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