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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Fri January 16th, 2009, 20:38 GMT 
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Remember he said "Too much of Nothing can make a fellow mean?" Maybe that's why he cut back on nothing.
I think it's a good idea to e-mail a request that he play the full version since Sirius radio allows those words. It's much better.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Fri January 16th, 2009, 21:39 GMT 

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There was an F word bleeped out in the Streets song "Dry Your Eyes" on the "Eyes" show. I always thought XM had censored it...


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Fri January 16th, 2009, 23:47 GMT 
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Fred the relationship therapy guidance refers to a song about a couple arguing and the only song I can think of like that was on the "Dog" show , he also makes reference to the "dog" show at another point in the show so is " Nothing" even older than we first thought?

Could it be that Bob worked on all these shows during the five year gap between Love and Theft and Modern Times and these shows are much older than we all think with a few edits here and there to update the show if needed?


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sat January 17th, 2009, 08:11 GMT 
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Nothing but the Wheel :!:

& my work ip address is blacklisted here


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sat January 17th, 2009, 18:52 GMT 
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Fred the relationship therapy guidance refers to a song about a couple arguing and the only song I can think of like that was on the "Dog" show , he also makes reference to the "dog" show at another point in the show so is " Nothing" even older than we first thought?

Could it be that Bob worked on all these shows during the five year gap between Love and Theft and Modern Times and these shows are much older than we all think with a few edits here and there to update the show if needed?


Anything is possible, and the people who could tell us ain't talkin', but everything I've read - notably Lee Abrams' "Dylan Diary" - indicates that Abrams pitched the idea to Dylan's people in late 2004/early 2005, and they closed the deal sometime late in 2005.

Abrams talks about the length of time it took to put "the Dylan Radio Show" deal together. If you read between the lines, the delay wasn't on the Dylan camp side but on the XM Radio side, I suspect because of the contract, which I've heard unofficially from several (now ex-)XM Radio sources was extraordinary from XM Radio's perspective, and required Abrams to twist a lot of arms.

Abrams goes on to say that once XM "had their house in order," the deal was struck within three days, and the original plan was to premiere the show in February 2006. Abrams goes on to say that Dylan was in the middle of recording an album, presumably "Modern Times," and they decided to postpone the premiere till May 2006.

Abrams' final blog post on the subject in mid-April 2006 has several interesting nuggets. The TTRH team was supplying show playlists to XM, because the station had to have all the music to be played on TTRH in their library "for technical reasons." Technical reasons? The TTRH team turned down several promo spots developed for the show, and Abrams eventually ended up writing a promo himself; the TTRH logo was developed by the Dylan camp (no surprise there); and delivered sometime in April; at least some of the old jingles/radio promo spots used in the show were supplied to TTRH by XM.

And maybe the most interesting tidbit of all that I missed the first time around. Mssrs. Ezratty and Macomber (check the closing credits) of XM Radio were in New York City working on the Season 1 production. Abrams notes them being on, "on a taxi shuttle schedule to and from the production office." That means the historic Abernathy Building (take the tour) and Studio B are - or at least were - in NYC. I had always thought that production was done in L.A., as Eddie G. is a California boy.

Sorry, I do go on. :lol: I think this will end up as a Dreamtime post, as it's got me thinking again of how soon after production were shows being released, especially in Season 1, when they produced 50 shows.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sat January 17th, 2009, 23:10 GMT 
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While I do believe Bob is a walking encyclopedia of music and would know an awful lot of artists featured on theme time an awful lot of meticulous planning must go into these shows. It seems too well done for Bob to recod while he is on the road as is suggested quite often.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sun January 18th, 2009, 16:17 GMT 
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I came across this bootleg performance by The Fugs which contains "Nothing" (I haven't listened to it yet but assume it's the full unedited content). I'm not too familiar with this group. Some of the song titles are pretty out there. Here you go:

http://gratefulbreed.blogspot.com/2008/ ... oston.html

The Fugs
Psychedelic Supermarket
Boston, MA 1968

Excellent AUD
In their day, these beatniks scuzz-rockers were far more threatening to moral standards than the Sex Pistols could ever have hoped to be.

FBI investigations, banned pretty much everywhere, attacked at live performances, the Fugs were singing, explicitly, about x, dope, x, Vietnam, pornography, communism while Lou Reed was still penning novelty ditties like "The Ostrich" and Johnny Rotten was still waiting for his balls to drop.

I just found this on a old CD, as a single wma file. I converted it using Audial Hub and AmadeusPro. In the archive you will also find the original wma file.

Tracks

1st Set.

01. intro > tuning >
02. crystal liaison
03. sovereign rap
04. river of shit
05. the garden is open
06. she got a bulltone clit
07. nothing -> zebra puke
08. supergirl

2nd Set.

09 slum goddess
10. war song
11. the fugs salvation radio program > my baby done left me
12. eat me, eat me
13. when a team slurps a team > radio hit > when a team loves a team
14. supergirl (2nd time)


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sun January 18th, 2009, 18:09 GMT 
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Remember he said "Too much of Nothing can make a fellow mean?" Maybe that's why he cut back on nothing.
I think it's a good idea to e-mail a request that he play the full version since Sirius radio allows those words. It's much better.


Just to add to the confusion, there's a live 3:11 version of "Nothing" over at last.fm from 1984 with changed lyrics, leaving out the suckin' et al; but adding some new lines in about John Lennon among others. The "Noel Coward" of the Fugs, Tuli Kupferberg, apparently rewrote the song at least once.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sun January 18th, 2009, 19:13 GMT 
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I'm doing a piece abut the Nothing show over at Dreamtime, and thought I'd reproduce a bit here...

From Theme Time Radio Hour, January 14, 2009, Nothing

Email:

"We got nothing else going on, so why don't we check and see if we got some email. Let me just pull one out. This is from Bill Sheil in London, Ontario. Bill writes: 'Dear Theme Time, I really enjoy your show. A couple of weeks ago you played a country song about a couple who wasn't getting along. Could you tell me the name of it?'

"Well, Bill, you're going to have to give me more information than that. That could be any country song. Bill continues: 'I enjoyed the song because it reminded me of my life. I've been married for three-and-a-half years and my wife and I have spent three of them fighting. We've been to couples counseling, we've seen mediators, we've gone to therapy. I'm afraid the next stop is lawyers. I love her, and I want to stay with her. Do you have any advice?'

"Well, Bill, first of all, let's say you do get divorced. You can start writing country songs. If you don't want to change careers, and you want to stay with her, I do have one piece of advice. I call it "The Theme Time Radio Hour Silent Treatment." Here's whatcha do...

The Theme Time Radio Hour Silent Treatment

[music] You and your wife sit in a room. Just look at each other, and nobody says nuthin'. Just keep quiet. Eventually you're gonna want to talk. Don't! This is where most people make their mistake. The frustration works its way to the surface, and whatever you say will just make the other person angry. Keep quiet awhile longer. Look at the other person. Remember why you were with them. Finally, you'll know it's time to talk. When you remember how much you missed them, the silence you hear is what your life will be like without them.

Sometimes it's important to just take the time to remind yourself why the other person is there. I guarantee you it'll work.

There you go. You got Freudian therapy, Jungian therapy, Reichian therapy, and now "Theme Timeian" therapy. You know which one my money is on.


***

Def poetry

This very obscure poem took a little bit of diggin' to find, not least because, to cover his bases, Our Host pronounces the poet Jean Passaerat's first name as both "Gene" and "John," and the title, which sounds as if it's the English "Neil," "Neal," or "Kneel," turned out to the Latin, "Nihil," which, of course means "Nothing."

Nihil (A Latin Poem)

Nothing is richer than precious stones than gold.
Nothing is finer than adamant, nothing is nobler than the blood of kings.
Nothing is sacred in wars, nothing is greater than Socrates wisdom.
Indeed, by his own affirmations, nothing is Socrates wisdom.
Nothing is the subject of the speculation of the great Zeno.
Nothing is higher than heaven, nothing is beyond the walls of the world.
Nothing is lower than hell, or more glorious than virtue. ~ Jean Passerat, "Nothing poet, and I don't mean that judgmentally."

"There were many nihils written in the Renaissance of which the most famous was the Latin poem published by Jean Passerat, professor of rhetoric at Henry III's Palace Academy in Paris. This poem was published, republished, imitated, and annotated throughout the next fifty years." [Colie, Paradoxia Epidemica]

***

Phone Call

Our Host: This is Theme Time Radio Hour, and we're talking about "Nothing." Let's go to the phones. Oh, they're all lit up. Why don't I just try this one. Hello caller, you're on the line.

Female Caller: Hi Bobby! I am listening to your show about "Nothing," and, uh, boy! It's perfect for me because I have nothing going on right now in my life.

OH: Well, it's not fair to say that.

FC: Well, it's my life, and I'll tell ya, there's nothing happening. But, uh, I just wanted to say, y'know, Mose Allison did a great song called "Ain't Got Nothing But the Blues," and I'm wondering if you could play that one.

OH: Oh, we'd be happy to.

FC: Sometimes I feel like that's just what I got: nothing but the blues, man.

OH: Well, thanks for calling, and we're going to get it on for you right now.

FC: Okay, thanks so much and, uh, by the way, "q-o-p-h" is also an acceptable Scrabble word.*

OH: Thanks a lot for calling.

FC: All right. Bye bye.

OH: Well, I can't believe she's got nothing going on. If nothing else, she's got great taste in music.

*Our Host had earlier recited a list of useful Scrabble words. The unnamed caller is either a Scrabble scholar or Jewish, or both, as "qoph," ( ק ) the 19th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, is indeed listed in the "Official Scrabble Players Dictionary" as one of the few acceptable "q without u" words. Interestingly, so is "sheqel," a variant spelling of "shekel."

Just to disappear completely into our own navels, Mr. D. could have replied with the three Hebrew letters, "Shin Qoph, Resh," to the heckler who cried out "Judas," during the infamous Manchester concert. The letters spell Sheqer, which is the Hebrew word for a lie. As Wikipedia notes, it would be akin to an English speaker saying, "That's a L-I-E."


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Sun January 18th, 2009, 19:26 GMT 
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Fred, as always, you add the most interesting, educational, and informative material to these discussions!!!

I was wondering who the poet was that wrote Nihil; now I know!

Already looking forward to "Something", perhaps better than "Nothing" :?:


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PostPosted: Mon January 19th, 2009, 07:19 GMT 

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Just heard the show and would like to point out that 'In a Silent Way' by the great Miles Davis is playing in the background as Bob talks about his 'silent' therapy.

And, of course that is Miles playing Summertime under the Porgy and Bess discussion.

Plus 'All or Nothing At All' under the Dietrich story but I can't identify the sax player.

Ain't Misbehavin' under the linguistic discussion about 'don't' etc. Unknown pianist.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Mon January 19th, 2009, 15:58 GMT 
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"Just to add to the confusion, there's a live 3:11 version of "Nothing" over at last.fm from 1984 with changed lyrics, leaving out the suckin' et al; but adding some new lines in about John Lennon among others. The "Noel Coward" of the Fugs, Tuli Kupferberg, apparently rewrote the song at least once."

If it was 1984 , a few years after Lennon's death, it was probably from Live at the Bottom Line, where there was a Fugs re-union (without Ken Weaver) in New York. Tuli is always updating this song, and sang a new version every time he performed it . (He's retired from performance now except for YouTube videos on his "tulifuli" channel.
for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8c8EgVmhFw

On the new box set, Don't Stop, Don't Stop, there are five different live performances of Nothing. Ed's voice dominates, and they seem relatively similar.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Tue January 20th, 2009, 22:51 GMT 

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First time here.
re The Nothing Edition TTRH-87
I don't see where anyone noted that the little stream of poetry before Peter Wolf w/ Mick Jagger was Ken Nordine reading Robert Shure's "Nothing". It appears on the 1967 Album called (originally) "Twink" which is entirely Ken Nordine reading short little Poems by San Fran Poet Robert Shure. The Title was changed when reissued in the 1990's to "Wink" to avoid unintended connotations relating to the original title.Ken Nordine is worth checking out, His "Word Jazz" release are a joyfully blend of the absurd and a love of the english language. Ken's voice can be heard on many Radio voiceovers and commercials.


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
PostPosted: Fri January 23rd, 2009, 12:55 GMT 
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I listened to it yesterday with Roll (we drove for just an hour, the show finished as we parked in front of JFK library :D ), and it was f-cking amazing, I think it was my favorite show since the "travel around the world" or "rich man poor man" shows ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: TTRH-87: Nothing
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I just listened to TTRH episode 15 "Eyes" and noticed this:
CS Nielsen wrote:
There was an F word bleeped out in the Streets song "Dry Your Eyes" on the "Eyes" show. I always thought XM had censored it...

So, are these two - the one in "Eyes" and the one in "Nothing" - all the incidents of censorship in TTRH or are there others? Do we know whose "fault" it is (the FCC, the channel, one of the people mentioned in the TTRH credits)?

I know, this isn't the most pressing of matters, but I think there isn't Bob trivia too minuscule to talk about. :lol:


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