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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 19:44 GMT 
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Yes. I am. And for all your self-perceived smartness, you have a very poor sense of irony.

Personal insult is the last resort of those who have nothing to say. This isn't quite you-you essentially say the same one thing, over and over and over...


Thanks Mick, hope you're well and the vet business is blooming. Or maybe that's floristry.

An American educating a Brit about irony! Oh the delicious ironing.


You do need education, you arrogant Brit. I'm an Irishman, have lived in Ireland all my life. When it comes to irony, we always bought and sold you lot, it was about all you left us. Now, grow up, learn some little thing and you might stop making a tedious fool of yourself after a few years practice.

My location is even described for you under my username. Are you a 'robot' or simply the idiot you appear to be? (And my invective can't be defined as insult; I'm merely forensically stating the facts on the ground).


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 20:12 GMT 
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Mickvet wrote:

You do need education, you arrogant Brit. I'm an Irishman, have lived in Ireland all my life. When it comes to irony, we always bought and sold you lot, it was about all you left us. Now, grow up, learn some little thing and you might stop making a tedious fool of yourself after a few years practice.

My location is even described for you under my username. Are you a 'robot' or simply the idiot you appear to be? (And my invective can't be defined as insult; I'm merely forensically stating the facts on the ground).


Sorry, I was under the impression you were a Trump supporter, so assumed you were American. I may have got you mixed up with one of the other complete mentalists here though, so apologies for that. Doesn't make you any less of a complete mentalist though, if you actually choose voluntarily to listen to Under The Red Sky, let alone enjoy it. Shudder.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 20:17 GMT 
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McG wrote:
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You do need education, you arrogant Brit. I'm an Irishman, have lived in Ireland all my life. When it comes to irony, we always bought and sold you lot, it was about all you left us. Now, grow up, learn some little thing and you might stop making a tedious fool of yourself after a few years practice.

My location is even described for you under my username. Are you a 'robot' or simply the idiot you appear to be? (And my invective can't be defined as insult; I'm merely forensically stating the facts on the ground).


Sorry, I was under the impression you were a Trump supporter, so assumed you were American. I may have got you mixed up with one of the other complete mentalists here though, so apologies for that. Doesn't make you any less of a complete mentalist though, if you actually choose voluntarily to listen to Under The Red Sky, let alone enjoy it. Shudder.


You're not in a position to lecture me, or anyone, about mental function. You should check out that incipient confusion of yours. I've heard that drugs can slow it down for some people.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 20:20 GMT 
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Mickvet wrote:

You're not in a position to lecture me, or anyone, about mental function. You should check out that incipient confusion of yours. I've heard that drugs can slow it down for some people.


It's not a lecture, it's a statement of fact.

Just to be straight - are you a Trump supporter?


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 20:29 GMT 
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McG wrote:
Mickvet wrote:

You're not in a position to lecture me, or anyone, about mental function. You should check out that incipient confusion of yours. I've heard that drugs can slow it down for some people.


It's not a lecture, it's a statement of fact.

Just to be straight - are you a Trump supporter?


I admire him. He's better than any of the alternatives. Not that that says much. Now, off you go and insult me again, and you can throw in lots of virtue-signalling to make yourself feel good too. I won't be continuing this discussion, however, as it's political and completely irrelevant to the thread.

Oh, and the only 'statement of fact' is your own self-confirmation of your stupidity, one who can't distinguish an Irishman from an American, even when there's an irrefutible written clue. It is also clueless and adolescent to mistake your assertions about the album under discussion for a proven case.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 20:33 GMT 
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Fair enough, glad I wasn't losing it completely then.

You're right, we should let allow others to discuss this craptacular album.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 22:15 GMT 
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I don't see anything wrong with Under the Red Sky aside from it not being long enough but that said, when going to the shelf to find something to listen to this always brings a smile to the face. This is an album that I can listen to, even sing along to. Additionally, I never have the urge to rip off my ears like I used to when listening to the albums that preceeded Before the Flood.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 23:12 GMT 
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McG wrote:
Fair enough, glad I wasn't losing it completely then.

You're right, we should let allow others to discuss this craptacular album.


Aw McG that feels like a cop out :( Can't you at least venture what it is
in part that you hate about the album. Or if any of the songs when played
live are acceptable to you. I can't and won't defend 'Wiggle Wiggle', but there's
some fine songs, 'Born In Time', 'God Knows', and although 'Unbelievable'
is THE worst choice for a single and video, the two songs i mentioned, do
you have any love at all for those?
I do get that there's other music you prefer and do listen to and probably
don't play Under A Red Sky even for a reminder on how much you dislike it,
but i really did wonder what put you off the album as strongly as you have been.

Would you concede that "Under the Red Sky", "Born in Time", "God Knows"
and "T.V. Talkin' Song" would've made a good EP minus the lesser material?
No worries if you're done talking about it, but your dislike was such that i was
intrigued as to what it was about the album in part or whole that you particiluarly
cannot stand.

For me, the weaker tracks do drag it down, there's no excuses can be made for
''Wiggle Wiggle'', or ''Handy Dandy'', and although Dylan played/s ''Cats In The Well''
now and then, i can't see the inner quality of that either, and i'm still trying to
figure out ''2 X 2'' and ''10,000 Men'', musically they're not amazing but also not
totally rubbish, i just haven't read a translation of meaning that made any impact on me.


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PostPosted: Mon September 11th, 2017, 23:59 GMT 
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Pretty cool album cover. Wouldn't want to mess with that guy if I came across him. You know he's planning something devious and he doesn't know if he is morally able to do it. You know that Frankie Lee and Judas Priest are right around the corner about to face the trials of life. Idk guys


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 00:06 GMT 

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when i hear people say that
they don't like wiggle wiggle
i always think:
i don't believe you -
you're a liar


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 00:19 GMT 
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Well, let's take another serious look.

Four very good songs:
Born in Time, T.V. Talkin' Song, a modern-day Black Diamond Bay; 10,000 Men & God Knows.

Some great guest appearances too!
David Crosby, Robben Ford, Harrison, Hornsby, Elton John, Al Kooper, David Lindley, the Vaughn Brothers!

Looks more impressive in writing than it really is.

Not a bad album relative to the Sinatra stuff.



All tracks written by Bob Dylan.

Side 1
No. Title Length
1. "Wiggle Wiggle" 2:09
2. "Under the Red Sky" 4:09
3. "Unbelievable" 4:06
4. "Born in Time" 3:39
5. "T.V. Talkin' Song" 3:02

Side 2
No. Title Length
6. "10,000 Men" 4:21
7. "2 × 2" 3:36
8. "God Knows" 3:02
9. "Handy Dandy" 4:03
10. "Cat's in the Well" 3:21


Personnel

Bob Dylan – acoustic and electric guitar, piano, accordion, harmonica, vocals, production

Additional musicians:
Kenny Aronoff – drums
Sweet Pea Atkinson – backing vocals
Rayse Biggs – trumpet
Sir Harry Bowens – backing vocals
David Crosby – backing vocals
Paulinho Da Costa – percussion
Robben Ford – guitar
George Harrison – slide guitar
Bruce Hornsby – piano
Randy "The Emperor" Jackson – bass guitar
Elton John – piano
Al Kooper – organ, keyboards
David Lindley – bouzouki, guitar, slide guitar
David McMurray – saxophone
Donald Ray Mitchell – backing vocals
Jamie Muhoberac – organ
Jimmie Vaughan – guitar
Stevie Ray Vaughan – guitar
Waddy Wachtel – guitar
David Was – backing vocals, production
Don Was – bass guitar, production


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 00:52 GMT 
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Also, I don't think I've ever heard the outtake,
"Shirley Temple Doesn't Live Here Anymore"
Any links?


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 12:32 GMT 
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A very good album.
I don't see what all the fuss is about.

This album gets trashed the way Empire Burlesque should be instead.


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 17:15 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Some great guest appearances too!
David Crosby, Robben Ford, Harrison, Hornsby, Elton John, Al Kooper, David Lindley, the Vaughn Brothers!

Looks more impressive in writing than it really is.

Not a bad album relative to the Sinatra stuff.


Triplicate is a thousand times better than this album. The guest appearances do nothing for this album.


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PostPosted: Tue September 12th, 2017, 18:12 GMT 
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Triplicate is a thousand times better than this album. The guest appearances do nothing for this album.[/quote]


As I said earlier Under the red sky was kind of my first Bob album so I am sentimental to it, but I agree with you All of the last three albums are better than UTRS.

All the American songbook albums are vastly underated by Dylan fans but like albums like Self Portrait people will warm to them eventually, sadly itll be after Bob leaves us and we actually appreciate his later work a bit more than we do now especially when there wont be any new albums to look forward to.


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PostPosted: Wed September 13th, 2017, 12:37 GMT 
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So bad even Bob takes a dump on the cover.


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PostPosted: Wed September 13th, 2017, 14:52 GMT 
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- If you bought the album when it came out in 1990, what did you originally think of it?

I thought it was another disappointment, following on the Empire-Knocked-Down-Mercy line.
I immediately liked Red Sky and Handy Dandy, little of the rest.
I thought Infidels - Jokerman, actually - was bound to remain his last great record.
(at the time, fortunately, my Dylan faith was still being fed by Biograph and, in a few days, the Bootleg Series would give me even more)


- Did the previous album Oh Mercy influence your opinion? Did anyone consider it a disappointing follow up or an improvement?

An opinion is of course influenced by the environment you've got around you.
Had it been published between Bringing and Highway or Blood and Desire, it would have been a disgrace, obviously.
After masterpieces the likes of You Wanna Ramble and Political World, the pain was mitigated, obviously; we saw it coming, in other words.
At any rate, as I said in another thread, after some seconds I had the impression it was even worse than Oh!Mercy, but personally I liked it more.
And my approach has remained the same.
I think *Oh!Mercy* is better, objectively.
But I like *Under The Sky* more.
In Mercy I've got only Black Coat; the rest is forgettable, to me.
In Under I've got at least 2 songs which have remained among my favs.


- If it isn't a favorite album, how does Under the Red Sky compare to your favorite Dylan albums?

A decent record.
Miles under the 3 holy trilogies of the 60's and the 70s.
Miles above the painfully weak Dylan of these last decades.


- (To anyone who likes the album) when Time Out of Mind was released, what was your reaction to a new album of original songs?

A great collection of lyrics.
Unfortunately put to music by an artist by then incapable of conjecturing attractive melodies a-la Lowlands, RollingStone and/or Hurricane.
A great album for the critics.
A decent album for the average listener.
A disappointment for those (me! :) ) who were/are in love with the laureate poet of rock'n roll.
(from Freewheelin to Jokerman)


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