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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 18:51 GMT 
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"I hurt easy, I just don’t show it
You can hurt someone and not even know it"

Things Have Changed by Bob Dylan Copyright © 1999 by Special Rider Music

Given all the criticism and unkind words Bob Dylan has gotten and continues to get over his career, I wonder if his feelings get hurt?
For instance, just last week, Larry Charles said in an interview that Gavin Polone said "he was like ‘he’s like a retarded child," during their meeting with him. And doesn't Larry Charles worry about Mr. Dylan's reaction to such a mean statement? How unkind! How can anyone not be hurt by such a mean spirited thing to say! I sure would!
Or, is Bob Dylan so brilliant that he really doesn't care? What is your opinion?

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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 18:55 GMT 

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well, since bob dylan has obviously never written a song or poem that deals with any kind of emotion, he is clearly an emotionless psychopath



edit: on serious note, if you wrote mr tambourine man, would you care what critics thought? id probably feel alright about myself after that.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 19:09 GMT 
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RoBob has very authentic tear duct mechanisms.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 19:30 GMT 
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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 19:45 GMT 
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He's too busy for that.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 20:07 GMT 
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Well he's a Human Being so I'd say yes.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 20:48 GMT 
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Fair question, I've been pondering that 'retarded child' remark ever since I heard it the other day. Compare with that 'dionysian, infantile sensualist', or so, comment in the World gone wrong liner notes.

Sometimes it's only when you come face to face with people that you see the real you and opt out of the mess.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 21:06 GMT 
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Furthermore from WGW: 'egotistical, degraded, existensialist, Dionysian idiot'....

Say anything you wanna, he's heard it all.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 21:36 GMT 
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What I've begun to wonder is how self-aware he actually is. I can't recall him ever really admitting he's on the eccentric side or not a very, ahem, trained vocalist... other than the 1965 interview where he insists he's as good as Caruso. You often see his associates talking about his quirky behavior but he very seldom addresses it, know what I mean? He appears quite oblivious about how he is perceived, which I guess can be a plus as well. That's what I'm curious about.


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 22:07 GMT 

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wow - if there are two things anyone can deduce about the man without meeting/knowing him….they are one - super-intelligent….and two - sensitive and hurts real easy….

does he ever NOT reveal that by his 100's and 100's of interviews over 50 years…..got to read if you want to learn, no?


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 22:35 GMT 
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If you have seen him do Forgetful Heart live then you know he can be hurt :cry:


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 23:17 GMT 
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although i bought both WGW and the other album with blood in my eyes - i never got any of these liner notes, maybe coz i bought later releases - can i read them somewhere? . i'd love to see them. did the new dingwalls by the camden bridge the other day but camden is totally changed since the 80s - a goth dream, not much more apart from desperate food stalls, tout ces't pas.

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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 23:45 GMT 
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See here for the liner notes up to 'World Gone Wrong'

http://williamhenryprince.com/bob-dylan ... collected/

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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 23:48 GMT 
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In 2002 he was pissed about a reviewer in a previous tour stop saying he mumbled. He told the audience that if we heard anyone saying he mumbled we should "knock 'em out".


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 23:54 GMT 
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smoke wrote:
In 2002 he was pissed about a reviewer in a previous tour stop saying he mumbled. He told the audience that if we heard anyone saying he mumbled we should "knock 'em out".

Really? LOL!!! :lol: :shock:


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PostPosted: Fri November 14th, 2014, 23:57 GMT 
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although i bought both WGW and the other album with blood in my eyes - i never got any of these liner notes, maybe coz i bought later releases - can i read them somewhere? . i'd love to see them. did the new dingwalls by the camden bridge the other day but camden is totally changed since the 80s - a goth dream, not much more apart from desperate food stalls, tout ces't pas.

Russian joke - Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear - copyright R.Crumb.


Here you go:

from World Gone Wrong (1993)

ABOUT THE SONGS (what they’re about)

BROKE DOWN ENGINE is a Blind Willie McTell masterpiece. it’s about trains, mystery on the rails-the trains of love, the train that carried my girl from town-The Southern Pacific, Baltmore & Ohio whatever-it’s about variations of human longing-the low hum in meters & syllables. it’s about dupes of commerce & politics colliding on tracks, not being pushed around by ordinary standards. it’s about revival, getting a new lease on life, not just posing there-paint chipped & flaked, mattress bare, single bulb swinging above the bed. it’s about Ambiguity, the fortunes of the priviliged elite, flood control-watching the red dawn not bothering to dress.
LOVE HENRY is a “traditionalist” ballad. Tom Paley used to do it, a perverse tale. Henry-modern corporate man off some foreign boat, unable to handle his “psychosis” responsible for organizing the Intelligentsia, disarming the people, an infantile sensualist-white teeth, wide smile, lotza money, kowtows to fairy queen exploiters & corrupt religious establishments, career-minded, limousine double parked, imposing his will & dishonest garbage in popular magazines. he lays his head on a pillow of down & falls asleep. he shoulda known better, he must’ve had a hearing problem.
STACK-A-LEE is Frank Hutchinson’s version. what does the song say exactly? it says no man gains immortality thru public acclaim. truth is shadowy. in the pre-postindustrial age, victims of violence were allowed (in fact it was their duty) to be judges over their offenders-parents were punished for their children’s crimes (we’ve come a long way since then) the song says that a man’s hat is his crown. futurologists would insist it’s a matter of tatse. they say “let’s sleep on it” but they’re already living in the sanatirium. No Rights Without Duty is the name of the game & fame is a trick. playing for time is only horsing around. Stack’s in a cell, no wall phone. he’s not some egotistical degraded existentialist dionysian idiot. neither does he represent any alternative lifestyle scam (give me a thousand acres of tractable land & all the gang members that exist and you’ll see the Authentic alternative lifestyle, the Agrarian one) Billy didn’t have an insurance plan, didn’t get airsick yet his ghost is more real and genuine than all the dead souls on the boob tube – a monumental epic of blunder and misunderstanding, a romance tale without the cupidity.
BLOOD IN MY EYES is one of two songs done by the Mississippi Sheiks, a little known de facto group whom in their former glory must’ve been something to behold. rebellion against routine seems to be their strong theme. all their songs are raw in the bone & are faultlessly made for these modern times (the New Dark Ages) nothing effete about the Mississippi Sheiks

.WORLD GONE WRONG is also by them & goes against cultural policy. “strange things are happening like never before.” Strange things alright-strange things like courage becoming befuddled & nonfundamental. evil charlatans masquerading in pullover vests & tuxedos talking gobbledyook, monstrous pompous superficial pageantry parading down lonely streets on limited access highways. strange things indeed – irrationalist bimbos & bozos, the stuff of legend, coming in from left field-infamy on the landscape-”pray to the Good Lord” hit the light switch!
JACK-A-ROE is another Tom Paley ballad (Tom, one of the New Lost City Ramblers) the young virgin follows her heart (which can’t be confined) & in it the secrets of the universe. “there was a wealthy merchant” wealthy & philosophically influential perhaps with an odd penchant for young folk. the song cannot be categorized-is worlds away from reality but “gets inside” reality anyway & strips it of its steel and concrete. inverted symmetry, legally stateless, travelling under a false passport. “before you step on board, sir…” are you any good at what you do? Submerge your personality

.DELIA is one sad tale-two or more versions mixed into one. the song has no middle range, comes whipping around the corner, seems to be about counterfeit loyalty. Delia herself, no Queen Gertrude, Elizabeth 1 or even Evita Peron, doesnt ride a Harley Davidson across the desert highway, doesnt need a blood change & would never go on a shopping spree. the guy in the courthouse sounds like a pimp in primary colors. he’s not interested in mosques on the temple mount, armageddon or world war III, doesnt put his face in his knees & weep & wears no dunce hat, makes no apology & is doomed to obscurity. does this song have rectitude? you bet. toleration of the unacceptable leads to the last round-up. the singer’s not talking from a head of booze. Jerry Garcia showed me

TWO SOLDIERS (Hazel & Alice do it pretty similar) a battle song extraordinaire, some dragoon officer’s epaulettes laying liquid in the mud, physical plunge into Limitationville, war dominated by finance (lending money for interest being a nauseating & revolting thing) love is not collateral. hittin’ them where they aint (in the imperect state that they’re in) America when Mother was the the queen of Her heart, before Charlie Chapin, before the Wild One, before the children of the Sun-before the celestial grunge, before the insane world of entertainment exploded in our faces-before all the ancient & honorable artillery had been taken out of the city, learning to go forward by turning back the clock, stopping the mind from thinking in hours, firing a few random shots at the face of time

RAGGED & DIRTY one of the Willy Browns did this – schmaltz & pickled herring, stuffed cabbage, heavy moral vocabulary – sweetness & sentiment, house rocking, superior beauty, not just standing there-the seductive magic of the thumbs up salute, carefully thought out overtones & stepping sideways, the idols of human worship paying thru the nose, lords of the illogical in smoking jackets, sufferers from a weak education, pieces of a jigsaw puzzle-taking stupid chances-being mistreated just so far.
LONE PILGRIM is from an old Doc Watson record. what attracts me to the song is how the lunacy of trying to fool the self is set aside at some given point. salvation and the needs of mankind are prominent & hegemony takes a breathing spell. “my soul flew to mansions on high” what’s essentially true is virtual reality. technology to wipe out the truth is now available. not everybody can afford it but it’s available. when the cost comes down look out! there wont be songs like this anymore. factually there aren’t any now. by the way, don’t be bewildered by the Never Ending Tour chatter. there was a Never Ending Tour but it ended in ’91 with the departure of guitarist G.E. Smith. that one’s long gone but there have been many others since then. The Money Never Runs Out Tour (fall of ’91) Southern Sympathizer Tour (early ’92) Why Do You Look At Me So Strangely Tour (European ’92) The One Sad Cry Of Pity Tour (Australia & West Coast American ’92) Principles Of Action Tour (Mexico-South American ’92) Outburst Of Consciousness Tour (’92) Don’t Let Your Deal Go Down Tour (’93) & others too many to mention. each with their own character and design. to know which was which consult the playlists.


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 01:08 GMT 
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Well, Bob doesnt come across like an emotionless sociopath, so I would presume he can be hurt like any other mortal man. You know what I think REALLY hurts Bob, if I was going to speculate? People treating him like he is something special, with a message for the world, pressure to be some kind of harbinger of social change..someone who isnt "normal" and doesnt feel and love and hurt like any other person. He is "just a simple song and dance MAN", not being treated like that, now THAT must hurt..


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 01:46 GMT 

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Yeah I an see thAt , yeah sure, it all depends on how he feels or sees it, or the bigger questions or the jest ions :?: I mean questions ??? Oh what am I trying to say Common autocorrect :shock: :?: :shock , oh I don't know and that is true :?: :arrow: :?:


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 02:29 GMT 

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Yeah well, u know, that post, well don't rely on computers they let u down most ly but good old human beings line.. like bob. well thee eyre ok with me I guess :shock: :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 04:10 GMT 
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man that's great - THANK YOU


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 04:57 GMT 

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I may be getting this wrong, but the "wussies and pussies" rant seemed to betray some emotion.


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 08:38 GMT 
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I think during is long time Bob has heard or read many negativ things about himself. i can't imagine that it does hurt him much anymore. He may have developed this "the world is evil, propaganda all is phoney" view of the world to protect himself. He used to care, but things have changed. And maybe that's the only way to survive that long in the spotlight.So whatever comes from the outside, he can handle it. Of course, negative remarks from the inner circle (family, friends, close associates etc.), that would be a different story.


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 08:38 GMT 

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He probably can be hurt, and definitely be angry, which also is a sign of hurt feelings, but my guess is he's quite unmoved by other peoples emotion. Which makes him such a good Glissendorfer and capable to feel allright with that level of discomfort (in others), as Larry Charles put it.


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 11:49 GMT 

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I tend to think that he has long since gotten over stories in the press. I imagine
being in his 70's, with 50 plus years in the music business he has developed a
thick skin with regards to silly comments.

As far his feelings getting hurt, I have no doubt he's a sensitive dude. The
on stage breakdown during Desolation Row (April 92??), right after the "he
was famous long ago" line show's his sensitive side. Not to mention the incredible
lyrics of Most of the Time, the emotional upheaval of BOTT, and the hundreds of
other examples.


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PostPosted: Sat November 15th, 2014, 16:14 GMT 

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"You’ll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above"

The question is not "Do", but is there any known technology to measure the depth - I rather doubt it. His face says it all.


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