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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 16:33 GMT 
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I'm still taking Bob's word of "the box [of notes and quotes on scraps of paper] wrote it" over anybody else's conclusions.


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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 17:51 GMT 
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I take his word on that, too, but it's also Dylan's legendary humility speaking :wink:

What I mean to say is that even though he got lots from the box, he still applied his intelligence and guile to putting them together to create such fantastic songs. If using quotes from the "con man's bible" to illustrate his technique of playing lead guitar isn't about the funniest thing he's ever done, I don't know what is. In general, I'm not sure how much understanding is to be gained by asking what Dylan "means" by using particular sources, but I don't see Warmuth as out to lunch the way Webberman was, and he certainly doesn't invade Dylan's privacy the way Webberman did. He's simply asking the questions that texts themselves raise.


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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 20:08 GMT 
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I have to agree with Smoke on this one. I honestly have paid so little attention to Webberman, that I can't offer much of a comment, but what little bit I did read was absolutely bizarre with zero research or actual logic applied. Warmuth has done a huge amount of research and follows where the text leads, or it seems so to me. I don't mind that he sends his links to the front page. If I did that much work, I would want to share it, as well. There are others that consistently do the same thing with much less worthwhile information, in fact, some of them write articles using insight that has been lifted straight the pages of the ER forum! :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 21:01 GMT 
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Until anyone reveals the real truth - that he is funding the alien colonisation of Earth with his record sales, concert takings and advertising revenue - I doubt Dylan cares about folks discussing the red herrings in his lyrics. In fact, he is probably delighted.


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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 21:15 GMT 
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aliens! yipes!

- happened to be reading a great old post on luc sante's blog

http://ekotodi.blogspot.com/2009/08/thirteen-most.html

- about how an older cop in a bar told him the story of how Warhol
as they say today, 'appropriated' his 'most wanted list' idea in 1964. after it had been stolen once before even
(the circle of thieves like the circle of fifths),

of course, this 'golden gangster age' fetishism would have had no influence
over bob's recent gangster's car doors that riff too on the Richard Prince 'car door' idea
- take what you can from coincidence, it's all beyond the gates

but that's the frisson huh,
- that 'top ten lists' are the preeminent vernacular of today's cultural discourse, and maybe an older unknown cop started it?
of course, after the 'Public Enemy No. 1' craze mentioned in the post may have started his own thinking of a gangster list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Enemy_No._1

yea, bob understands Janus, hahaha, look pa i'm only reading


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PostPosted: Tue June 3rd, 2014, 23:24 GMT 
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"Didja see the one about how the first lines of Dylan's "Po' Boy" come from an 1856 minstrel show version of Othello? http://youtu.be/6hqsfWZUaJg User Actions "


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PostPosted: Wed June 4th, 2014, 03:35 GMT 
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others have had or written similar things to Warmuth. What I am troubled about are Warmuth's motives and if he is a fan.I mean this sort of thing has been put forward since the early sixties.
To me it does not take away at all from the quality of Dylan's works.


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PostPosted: Wed June 4th, 2014, 03:41 GMT 
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I've never seen Warmuth, even once, even slightly, denigrate Bob Dylan's work. He consistently argues that these quotations show a new depth to Dylan's lyrics and prose. A convenient example would be in the video posted just now by MMD, which puts the Othello line in a whole new context. Was Dylan aware of the link? No one can say for sure, but the last thing SW is doing is claiming Dylan's art is somehow worth less because of it.


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PostPosted: Wed June 4th, 2014, 03:43 GMT 
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smoke wrote:
I've never seen Warmuth, even once, even slightly, denigrate Bob Dylan's work. He consistently argues that these quotations show a new depth to Dylan's lyrics and prose. A convenient example would be in the video posted just now by MMD, which puts the Othello line in a whole new context. Was Dylan aware of the link? No one can say for sure, but the last thing SW is doing is claiming Dylan's art is somehow worth less because of it.

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PostPosted: Wed June 4th, 2014, 03:50 GMT 
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This interview was posted earlier, it makes his feelings pretty clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aku6J7kaTVM#t=173


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PostPosted: Wed June 4th, 2014, 21:14 GMT 
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Via Twitter:

Scott Warmuth @scottwarmuth1 . June 4
"Oh, he gets up in the morning, he's in the Land of Nod"
"Just stop & think he's human & he's got a heart and soul"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYEQ-SUg8JE#t=34
That Little Lump Of Coal
William March
Songs And Ballads Of The Bituminous Miners


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Scott Warmuth @scottwarmuth1 · Jun 3
Fruit Jar Guzzlers make pretty good stuff. http://youtu.be/UhP01xdNCmE

Performed by Stevens and Bolar (first names unknown), recorded for Paramount in Chicago, 1928.
Image from Harper's Magazine, 1877: "'The moonshine man of Kentucky,' composite of five scenes of moonshining: man cutting down tree, man mixing ingredients, moonshiner held captive by three men, three men on horseback begging for breakfast from farmer, and boy holding jug by still house."


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PostPosted: Thu June 5th, 2014, 11:25 GMT 
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So in terms of Da Vinci Code, what does he say it means?


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PostPosted: Thu June 5th, 2014, 11:41 GMT 
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oldmanemu wrote:
To me it does not take away at all from the quality of Dylan's works.


I agree.

In fact, for me, though perhaps unnecessary to know all of these "borrowings", it sometimes adds to my appreciation of the music. Now knowing that Po Boy draws from an 1856 minstrel production of Othello, I have been inspired to go back and see what that was all about and now those allusions are mixed into the mix when I hear the song. And I reflect a little deeper on the album as a whole.

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PostPosted: Thu June 5th, 2014, 22:13 GMT 
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Scott Warmuth @scottwarmuth1 · May 22
BD's "Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum" answers the GD's "Uncle John's Band" -"Uncle John's Bongos" & NLCR lines are clues. http://youtu.be/lL1FG5Owfq4

From YouTube description for video
Kurt Gegenhuber at www.celestialmonochord.org: "I'm now convinced that the single most important vehicle delivering Harry Smith's peculiar message to Dylan in those early days — the widest pipeline between Harry and Bob — was The New Lost City Ramblers. I'm also convinced that it matters, this missing what I think of as 'The Ramblers Step.'"


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PostPosted: Sat June 7th, 2014, 08:18 GMT 
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"Bob Dylan and the Hillbillies on Speed"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CmoRruYq1k
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discovered via Scott Warmuth


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PostPosted: Sat June 7th, 2014, 08:31 GMT 
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MMD wrote:


The New Lost City Ramblers connection is an interesting on, and a video well worth watching.


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PostPosted: Mon June 9th, 2014, 00:52 GMT 
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Triangle -- Appropriation and Art

Richard Prince-Bob Dylan- Scott Warmuth

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 8103616512

https://twitter.com/harpersbooks/status ... 9244956672

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 6159414272

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 7149360128

http://www.vulture.com/2014/03/how-rich ... agram.html

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 9817601025
(previous article explains why the instagram link in this tweet is dead)


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PostPosted: Thu June 19th, 2014, 01:29 GMT 
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Appropriation and Art

Richard Prince-Bob Dylan by way of Scott Warmuth twitter feed

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 4099518464

(Instagram art: Dylan screen + Car painted with image of naked woman)

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 6291365889

(Instagram art: Tarantula cover and liquid soap)


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PostPosted: Sun June 22nd, 2014, 06:01 GMT 
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"Scott Warmuth blew the lid off Dylan scholarship..."
Very good review of The Dylanologists
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 ... made-whole

Via:
https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 2412541952


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PostPosted: Sat June 28th, 2014, 12:25 GMT 
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original/source for Knocked Out Loaded Cover -- via Warmuth

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https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/status/479984698395873280

An interview with the cover art designer:
http://newport65colorphoto.blogspot.no/2014/06/spicy-adventures-and-knocked-out-loaded.html


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PostPosted: Fri July 18th, 2014, 23:24 GMT 
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Scott Warmuth - Sources for Chronicles

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 0887188481

A passage on creativity from a 2012 book by @CatherineKaputa closely parallels @bobdylan's 2004 Chronicles:Volume One

passage from: Catherine Kaputa, Breakthrough Branding


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PostPosted: Sat July 19th, 2014, 02:08 GMT 
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keep up the great detective work


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PostPosted: Sun July 20th, 2014, 23:13 GMT 
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Warmuth finds a weird one:

Someone using passages from Dylan's Chronicles in his work:
https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 7542393856

Tweet includes image showing Stephen Miller, in his 2010 bio of Kris Kristofferson, using a Chronicles passage that describes Dylan's reaction to Hank Williams (and his death), passing it off as a quote from Kristofferson's about his reaction to Williams.

Strange stuff.


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PostPosted: Sun July 20th, 2014, 23:22 GMT 
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MMD wrote:
Scott Warmuth - Sources for Chronicles

https://twitter.com/scottwarmuth1/statu ... 0887188481

A passage on creativity from a 2012 book by @CatherineKaputa closely parallels @bobdylan's 2004 Chronicles:Volume One

passage from: Catherine Kaputa, Breakthrough Branding



Correction: This book by Kaputa is, like Stephen Miller's, a use of Chronicles (in 2012).

So, Chronicles as source.

Or...at least as intermediary.


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PostPosted: Mon July 21st, 2014, 03:02 GMT 
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finally!! been wanting to see that, obviously a meta comment on kris and bob's relationship by the author somehow


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