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PostPosted: Mon February 11th, 2013, 14:00 GMT 
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I love that passage. So much, that I decided to google it so I could copy and paste the quote on tumblr......and it brought up this interview with a guy that pretty much lifts entire passages from chronicles and passes them off as his own thoughts. :lol:

http://www.adamzwig.com/pages/press03.html


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PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 07:48 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
That is so key. Putting the song in front of yourself when performing. Think about it.
That's generally when it works best. That's what Bob is still doing.


Putting the song in front -- that´s some sort of key.
But there is an other key before that and behind, when he says:
" I knew the inner substance of the thing." ( of the old songs )


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PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 09:58 GMT 
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PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 10:01 GMT 
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^^ this passage I like too ...

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PostPosted: Wed February 13th, 2013, 15:47 GMT 
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An interesting look at the history of the "hard battle" line: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/

"Plato? Philo of Alexandria? Ian MacLaren? John Watson?" - or Bob Dylan's grandmother?


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PostPosted: Thu February 14th, 2013, 00:14 GMT 
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scottw wrote:
An interesting look at the history of the "hard battle" line: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/

"Plato? Philo of Alexandria? Ian MacLaren? John Watson?" - or Bob Dylan's grandmother?


Thank you for the comment ! I was not informed about this sources.
But at all - this proposition opens a certain view concerning social encounters -
I like this view, whether it is opened from Bob Dylans Grandma or by Plato.

Also the passage about " happiness is the road" it is interesting for me - it´s some
sort of riddle ...


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PostPosted: Thu February 14th, 2013, 11:36 GMT 
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Sometimes things run bad -
it´s good to have someone right beside you then.


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PostPosted: Sat February 16th, 2013, 10:01 GMT 
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^^ "It was like the unbroken sea of frost ..."

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PostPosted: Sat February 16th, 2013, 10:28 GMT 
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michael curtius wrote:
^^ "It was like the unbroken sea of frost ..."

From "An Odyssey of the North" by Jack London:
An unbroken sea of frost, its wide expanse stretched away into the unknown east. The snowshoes were withdrawn from the lashings of the sleds. Axel Gunderson shook hands and stepped to the fore, his great webbed shoes sinking a fair half yard into the feathery surface and packing the snow so the dogs should not wallow. His wife fell in behind the last sled, betraying long practice in the art of handling the awkward footgear.”

From "A Relic of the Pliocene" by Jack London:
"Long have I pondered, weighed, and balanced, but never have my conclusions been twice the same—forsooth! because Thomas Stevens is a greater man than I. If he have told truths, well and good; if untruths, still well and good."


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PostPosted: Sat February 16th, 2013, 11:12 GMT 
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scottw wrote:
michael curtius wrote:
^^ "It was like the unbroken sea of frost ..."

From "An Odyssey of the North" by Jack London:
An unbroken sea of frost, its wide expanse stretched away into the unknown east. The snowshoes were withdrawn from the lashings of the sleds. Axel Gunderson shook hands and stepped to the fore, his great webbed shoes sinking a fair half yard into the feathery surface and packing the snow so the dogs should not wallow. His wife fell in behind the last sled, betraying long practice in the art of handling the awkward footgear.”

From "A Relic of the Pliocene" by Jack London:
"Long have I pondered, weighed, and balanced, but never have my conclusions been twice the same—forsooth! because Thomas Stevens is a greater man than I. If he have told truths, well and good; if untruths, still well and good."


You´re so fast -in having the quotes, Bob has used for his book ! You must be a deep
connoisseur of literature ! So please don´t mention my way of writin´- I´m just a German
- uneducated in more differentiated English writing . I enjoy much readin´ Bob Dylans Chronicles in English
- I see a lot of unusual words in it, or better say , I never heard before.

It is a problem for you, Bob uses this quotes without shame ??
For me - it´s no problem - but yes - I did not know, that they are quotes before you told me.

The main thing for me is, that the quotes were driven in a new context !
And this context has a lot of importance for me. You can call it naive - perhaps,
but the real "feeling" of me and a lot of other people concerning to live at that time and
to live in that western society (means USA, Europe, Australia ...) , which is a battle of
the fittest - just you can describe with this words: "It was like the unbroken sea of frost".
And " it is lame as hell" .
Hölderlin speeks about his time , and in some way it ´s still our time, as a time of darkness.

And Bob speeks in his songs of our time with this strong (own) words:
"There must be some way out of here !"
"World Gone Wrong"


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PostPosted: Sat February 16th, 2013, 11:18 GMT 
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There's much yet to be revealed about Chronicles. That's one of the works that needs in depth annotation. :)


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PostPosted: Mon February 18th, 2013, 08:59 GMT 
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PostPosted: Mon February 18th, 2013, 10:46 GMT 
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"A song is like a dream, and you try to make it come true." P.165


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PostPosted: Wed February 20th, 2013, 09:40 GMT 
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^^^Things have changed

Changin´ any way is appearing in such a lot of songs of Bob and also in
Chronicles .

There hundreds shapes of changes. Short time changes - day and night, long time changes - winter gone, spring come -,
very long time changes - How many years can a mountain exist before ... - changes on the surface, changes in some
depths, metamorphosis, changes you cannot perceive, changes of the ground, of the sea, growing up as a child, -
Don’t stand in the doorway - social changes, shift of society, the exciting power of change, the uproar, the cry for,
the beautiful floatin of some water, the violence of some riot, the enthusiasm of being part of some stirring moments,
isn´it an unamed miracle: we have peace in Central Europe since 72 years after thousand of cruelst wars, yes it is -
could be anywhere - I b...... - We shall overcome ! - the unseen movement from inhumanity to humaneness - the
movement of being uncivilized to civilisated structures, the power of inner movements, the joy of joining them, gettin
enthusiastic´perhaps is one of the main forms of changes, Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you ...,
going angry, turnin´peaceful, standstill, be quiet .


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PostPosted: Sat February 23rd, 2013, 08:30 GMT 
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Bob Dylan - the song and dance man - and that´s it.
Being just a song and dance man - he had some influences in
life of some people , other song and dance folks , ...
He is a singular . One of the singular contemporary artists .

Chronicles is just a little book. At the same time it tells some
stories about Greenwich Village in 1961 and other stories about
how things have changed in these old days.

I like this part , this thoughts about "the process of some changings".

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PostPosted: Sat March 2nd, 2013, 09:02 GMT 
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^^ The day, Bob Dylan went acoustic ...(237)

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PostPosted: Sat March 9th, 2013, 07:52 GMT 
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PostPosted: Sat March 9th, 2013, 07:59 GMT 
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" ... it was in my blood"

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PostPosted: Wed July 10th, 2013, 09:55 GMT 
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Like this part much. Bob writes about a walk through the city. Tells some thoughts,
paraphrases the famous sentence of Heraclitus.

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PostPosted: Wed July 10th, 2013, 10:22 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
lowgen wrote:
>>This book, most of all, needs an index


Michael Gray's index must have taken him a month to compile. It's available for a small charge.


Yes, I was thinking hard version rather than PDF.... I know one was available, but I didn't know or care at the time, and it's been sold out for years. Either way, neither of them got into the whole intertextuality bit as far as I know.


don't touch MG's nonsense. Contact Phaedra on here, she published a great index.


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PostPosted: Wed July 10th, 2013, 11:07 GMT 
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I know, but I think it was a rather limited edition which is not available anymore (as far as I know anyway). Thanks anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri July 12th, 2013, 18:35 GMT 
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PostPosted: Tue November 19th, 2013, 04:45 GMT 
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I loved the book, I particularly like the part where he mentions walking around whenever he couldn't get things going while playing with the Dead and walking into a jazz club (I believe it was) and being inspired to mix up and rework his songs in a way that would work for him now...essentially this sounds like the moment the NET as an idea began to take shape so it's pretty cool.

The story about him meeting Jack Dempsey and Dempsey saying he needs to put on some weight thinking he was wanting to be a Heavyweight :lol: . Bob would be fat as hell if he was a Heavyweight, he's just a small guy, always has been.

Also the way he described the city of New Orleans in the book was very captivating. Made me want to visit there (even though I still haven't)

I'm sure there's a lot about the book I've forgotten, but those are some of the things I remember.


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