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 Post subject: Bob and Burlesque
PostPosted: Thu May 9th, 2013, 04:22 GMT 
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I said in one of the "TEMPEST" threads that I thought the cover art was a secret tribute to stripper Tempest Storm.

More possible tie-ins to the album and the art of burlesque (and the art of Bob Dylan) can be found in an article called "Take If Off" in the 5/13/2012 NEW YORKER about the current burlesque revival (the article is only available to subscribers - sorry). Current hot stuff in the 'new burlesque' acts include artist Julie Atlas Muz appearing "gagged, with nothing on but a heavy rope coiled around her body." (sound like somebody's painting?} Journalist Joan Acocella also reports on some remarks from artist Jo Boobs book "Burlesque Handbook" - "Neoburlesquers also like black humor. Jo Boobs, in her book, describes GiGi La Femme and Scarlet Sinclair's cardboard-Titanic number: 'Scarlet was the iceberg and GiGi was the Titanic, and they fell in love, but when they tried to make physical contact the front of the ship 'broke' open, spilling tiny people from the deck and exposing GiGi's breasts.'"


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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interesting connections...

i bet this thread will really take off if it includes illustrations!
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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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OK, stand by while I go "research" all of this.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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Troubadour64 wrote:
interesting connections...

i bet this thread will really take off if it includes illustrations!
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If you can add one of the Julie Atlas Muz "bound with rope" photos, I think we'll have a ball game.....(just look up her name and 'images')


Or the two babes pretending to be "the iceberg" and "the Titanic."


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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MMD wrote:
OK, stand by while I go "research" all of this.




please keep in mind 'the purpose of this subforum'!


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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"Special purpose"?


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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This is supposed to be 'high-minded.' Don't muddy the waters. Like, no jokes about Bob "working the slide rule."


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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the_revelator wrote:
This is supposed to be 'high-minded.' Don't muddy the waters. Like, no jokes about Bob "working the slide rule."



Well, tell that to Troubadour -- is that avatar something he just added for this thread? I haven't run into them in my research. I'll apply myself more assiduously.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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That photo has been around forever. Unless troub wants to explain himself ( :shock: ) I'm going to assume it's just a coincidence. A BIG coincidence.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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according to my records the avatar was in place before the thread came into existence


and i'm always dead serious, never light. :)


but now, MMD, are you drawing a connection between the sport of pageantry and the art of burlesque? Now i think we are getting really serious!


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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troub, you wouldn't be about to propose a toast to the king, now would you?


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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Troubadour64 wrote:
but now, MMD, are you drawing a connection between the sport of pageantry and the art of burlesque? Now i think we are getting really serious!


the_revelator wrote:
Troubadour64 wrote:
interesting connections...

i bet this thread will really take off if it includes illustrations!
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If you can add one of the Julie Atlas Muz "bound with rope" photos, I think we'll have a ball game.....(just look up her name and 'images')


Or the two babes pretending to be "the iceberg" and "the Titanic."


1. I'm having a hard time focusing during my research, so I may have lost track of the difference;
2. Wouldn't pageant athletes have even bigger audiences and more fans if they did combine the two -- kind of like the NBA taking in the ABA, only with even shorter shorts?


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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and bigger audiences would be the solution to what problem exactly?

all the rope photos were too large in dimension to post, but here's one!

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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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tempest has been out for a long time, but anyhow, please remember the great post by whatsittoya in november 2012, extra points for the record's back cover link with tempest

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73369&p=1287018#p1287018

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Mamie Van Doren starred in two of the greatest rock'n'roll cheapies of the '50s - 'High School Confidential' (which included Jerry Lee Lewis in his prime performing the title song on the back of a flatback truck), and 'Untamed Youth' (with Eddie Cochran singing 'Cotton Picker' whilst doing just that). Mamie sang four songs in the latter film, including 'Like a Rolling Stone' (no, not that one). To see her doing this, go to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me86Z1MEZVQ


this whole striptease era of bob's is so liberating to the the art schtick, and neo-burlesque girls -i mean you

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=72877&p=1289501&hilit=mamie+van+doren#p1289501


http://www.amazon.com/The-Girl-Invented ... B000LY4JEI


mamie dancing like a rolling stone 1957:

http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/4790 ... Stone.html


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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MMD wrote:
OK, stand by while I go "research" all of this.

I can point you in a couple of directions.

There is the illustration of Bettie Page that appears on the back page of the booklet that comes with Christmas in the Heart. Assigned viewing includes her burlesque turns in the films Striporama, Varietease and Teaserama.

The New Orleans Series includes a painting of burlesque star Betty Howard, the girl who has everything. Here's film of Howard in action: http://youtu.be/UJ3JwcQt5mA (NSFW)

Although she's not a burlesque (or neo-burlesque) performer a photo of dominatrix Breaunna (taken by Albert Watson, who has also shot Dylan) can be seen in the inner sleeve of the Tempest CD.

The painting Politician, from The Brazil Series, features a stripper wearing pasties and the painting Sideshow, also part of The Brazil Series, features four strippers.

The title of the last painting I mentioned appears to show Dylan's awareness that sideshow and burlesque are allied arts. I've written about a couple of books on sideshow that Dylan has demonstrated that he has read, because he has used material from them, such as In Search of The Monkey Girl.

Some books that I'd recommend to those who seek to learn more about sideshow and burlesque are three titles by A.W. Stencell:
Seeing Is Believing: America's Side Shows
Circus and Carnival Ballyhoo: Sideshow Freaks, Jabbers and Blade Box Queens
Girl Show: Into the Canvas World of Bump and Grind

Girl Show (http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Show-Canvas-World-Grind/dp/1550223712) has plenty of detail on cooch-shows, tassel-twirlers and burlesque stars. If you want to read about Betty Howard's time on the carnival revue stage this is the book for you. To paraphrase the inside talker, it has words for the ladies; pictures for the gentlemen.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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scottw wrote:
MMD wrote:
OK, stand by while I go "research" all of this.

I can point you in a couple of directions.
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My god, I was really worried about what was coming after that sentence!
Turns out that it's not quite what I had in mind.... but I think your research is more high-minded and might lead somewhere with fewer bugs and viruses.

Thanks to Rev, whatsittoyou and Scott for hours of fun ahead. I'm looking forward to following all these links and leads.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
PostPosted: Fri May 10th, 2013, 10:19 GMT 
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Scott comes to the rescue again, explaining the Man behind the Myth. and Underneath so many Breasts.

keep him honest for us, Scott. and keep us posted, natch ... on that sn- research, -sorry couldn't resist.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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bobschool wrote:
keep us posted, natch ... on that sn- research

Also worth checking out is Wayne Keyser's Ballycast: The Podcast of the Carnival, Sideshow and Burlesque. I'd recommend starting with episode 54 from May 31, 2012, featuring legendary Svengali deck pitchman S. David Walker. Walker died shortly after the interview was posted. http://ballycast.com/?p=386

Notice that the Ballycast page features a link to my Pinterest album featuring my collection of vintage Svengali decks and Svengali pitchman ephemera.

In the 40's S. David Walker was partners with magician Harry Lorayne, who turned 87 last week. They had a magic act and they pitched Svengali decks together. Dylan writes about reading one of Lorayne's books in Chronicles: Volume One.

Magician Pop Haydn's DVD School for Scoundrels at the Senior Pitchman's Reunion includes S. David Walker telling some great stories, and Walker is also featured in the soon to be released second volume. Haydn is featured prominently in this video for Madame Pamita's Blind Willie McTell cover "My Southern Can is Mine." http://youtu.be/6_ZVqw6gmp8

Haydn often shares the stage with modern burlesque performers, for example last year there was a Scoundrels and Trollops night at Lili VonSchtupps' Monday Night Tease, LA's longest running weekly burlesque show. Here's a photo: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 4343_n.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
PostPosted: Fri May 10th, 2013, 17:05 GMT 
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scottw wrote:
Girl Show ( http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Show-Canvas- ... 1550223712 )
.. this is the book for you. To paraphrase the inside talker,
it has words for the ladies; pictures for the gentlemen.

- so, ya' figure this is the one with the bestest pictures then?
..i been 'away' a while. .. Innarestin' stuff Scottw, MMD - thanks. .. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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Whoa! I was going to head over the the MIA thread today and say we've been missing grumpy around these parts.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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Grumpy-the-Buick wrote:
scottw wrote:
Girl Show ( http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Show-Canvas- ... 1550223712 )
.. this is the book for you. To paraphrase the inside talker,
it has words for the ladies; pictures for the gentlemen.

- so, ya' figure this is the one with the bestest pictures then?
..i been 'away' a while. .. Innarestin' stuff Scottw, MMD - thanks. .. 8)

Well hallo there, sir! Nice to see you 'round these parts again! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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He couldn't stay away. This is where he gets all his Alan Jackson news. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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Grumpy-the-Buick wrote:
scottw wrote:
Girl Show ( http://www.amazon.com/Girl-Show-Canvas- ... 1550223712 )
.. this is the book for you. To paraphrase the inside talker,
it has words for the ladies; pictures for the gentlemen.

- so, ya' figure this is the one with the bestest pictures then?


No, look at raging's avatar. That's one of the bestest pictures.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
PostPosted: Fri May 10th, 2013, 17:20 GMT 
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- oh, fer sure - fer absoluute Sure -it IS!
.. but, y'know -- eye of the Beholder, eye of the...
Hey! Ain't that what they call those outfits those
Burlesquers wear? .. 'Beholders' ? .. 8)
- where's the exspurts when ya' needs 'em?


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 Post subject: Re: Bob and Burlesque
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BostonAreaBobFan wrote:
He couldn't stay away. This is where he gets all his Alan Jackson news. :mrgreen:

.. Hey! :lol: .. how'd you sneak that one in there?
- That must be a BURLESQUE! move .. i can't have
peoples thinking i listen to Alan Jackson - and don't
tell (you-know-who) i said that.. i'd like to last more
than the 6 minutes i been hERe.... i like Boston's
Avatar too, now --- on a serious think - don't you
think Janis was ROCK/ROLL BURLESQUE? (in topic!)
(.. or is that just the effect Boston has on us? ...heh,heh..)


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