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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 09:29 GMT 
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Much maligned and often forgotten, I think some of the performances are pretty good and I would like to see Columbia release an upgraded version with all the tracks that didn't make it to the final release. I've got the DVD as well!


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 12:21 GMT 

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I would love for that to happen too, there are some great tracks still unreleased. I particularly like the version of 'Hazel' from those shows:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-zJuLAFu94


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 13:19 GMT 
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Shooting star is stellar!


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:02 GMT 
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Has always been a favorite of mine. And ditto on releasing the full show, though thems that searcheth shall findeth in pristine quality.


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:11 GMT 
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I have a version of the bootleg but reviews suggest that it was speeded up to get all the music on to a double CD format (I think originally a CD could only store 74 mins of music rather than the 80 mins you can put on now). Btw, I think John Brown comes across pretty well!


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:15 GMT 
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I don't think this is necessary to make an upgraded version, since we already have much of it available.
We even have the video feed from the rehearsals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUFlK3YSOc), and the other tracks from the shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAUG8WU4lyg).
The only thing missing are the first rehearsals with old traditional songs (according to Winston Watson's documentary). I'll prefer to see the complete Supper Club shows on dvd.


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:15 GMT 
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I gotta admit I've never really seen/heard the appeal of this show. It's ok as far as it goes, but it seems to me to be a very 'safe' and somewhat unspirited performance in general, with the odd highlight that really only seems good in the context of a lacklustre show. The setting, in a TV studio with a rather dull audience, does nothing to inspire.

I know it's a popular recording, and I guess I can see why, but there are so many more performances that knock this into the dust. Apart, perhaps, from John Brown, the set as transmitted seemed pretty tame too.

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Thems that searcheth shall findeth in pristine quality.


THIS ^ - I truly cannot understand why people clamour for an 'official' release that cannot add anything at all to what we already have. In my opinion the bootlegs are the only thing that raise the bar for the MTV show at all, as the set-list contains more unusual selections and some better performances too. It's as if people can't wait to throw money at Sony for stuff they already possess... there are many far more interesting unreleased recordings than this, around half of which has been officially released anyway.

I don't mean to rain on anyones parade here, it's just the way I feel about these performances - there's no danger, no edge, no real cojones.


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:34 GMT 
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I gotta admit I've never really seen/heard the appeal of this show. It's ok as far as it goes, but it seems to me to be a very 'safe' and somewhat unspirited performance in general, with the odd highlight that really only seems good in the context of a lacklustre show. The setting, in a TV studio with a rather dull audience, does nothing to inspire.

I know it's a popular recording, and I guess I can see why, but there are so many more performances that knock this into the dust. Apart, perhaps, from John Brown, the set as transmitted seemed pretty tame too.

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Thems that searcheth shall findeth in pristine quality.


THIS ^ - I truly cannot understand why people clamour for an 'official' release that cannot add anything at all to what we already have. In my opinion the bootlegs are the only thing that raise the bar for the MTV show at all, as the set-list contains more unusual selections and some better performances too. It's as if people can't wait to throw money at Sony for stuff they already possess... there are many far more interesting unreleased recordings than this, around half of which has been officially released anyway.

I don't mean to rain on anyones parade here, it's just the way I feel about these performances - there's no danger, no edge, no real cojones.

As you probably know, Bob wanted to do the MTV show with folk-blues material, the ones
he'd filled Good As I Been & World Gone Wrong with. Columbia prevailed with commercial
arguments and a greatest hits-y set is the result.
The only tracks I ever play are John Brown and With God On Our Side.


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 14:54 GMT 
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Bob wanted to do the MTV show with folk-blues material, the ones he'd filled Good As I Been & World Gone Wrong with. Columbia prevailed with commercial arguments and a greatest hits-y set is the result.


What a wasted opportunity - of course it would have puzzled a lot of people at the time (nothing wrong with that) and might not have captured the public imagination, but so what? Bob is an artist and shouldn't have to be a jukebox pandering to 'popular taste' - a TV recording as originally envisaged would now be seen as an absolute treasure and likely a career highlight. The crass stupidity of myopic marketing men never ceases to amaze or disappoint.


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PostPosted: Sun March 4th, 2018, 15:51 GMT 
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Maybe they don’t like confounding expectations, at least we got: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwSCI5uli_g


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 02:39 GMT 
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I think the version of Dignity is definitive, and even though Desolation Row is missing a couple of verses, I like the way Brendan O'Brien's jaunty keys propel the song forward.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 02:42 GMT 
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And John Brown, too! (even though we now know that the mistake was edited out).


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 02:45 GMT 
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Been ages since I played the thing. My memory sez that I never really got into it. The show is alright, but also a bit rote.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 02:46 GMT 
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I rarely listen to this. Not one of my faves, but not necessarily bad.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 02:54 GMT 
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I watched the dvd two christmases ago. I had never actually seen it all the way through. It was pretty damn good. I've heard the cd and the outtakes, but to watch it is something else. Bob is in great form for the era. I'd love to see the complete tapes released, complete video too. Perhaps, also with the Supper Club.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 07:40 GMT 
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Not a bad idea to release the complete item with the Supper Club shows, they are from the same era, approx.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 15:08 GMT 

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I've always loved this one. I've read suggestions here and elsewhere that Bob was on autopilot, but I've never heard it that way at all. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" is particularly nice, and the acoustic guitar solo that sort of morphs into a duet on "John Brown" is worth the price of admission. Brendan O'Brien's organ ties the whole thing together.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 17:34 GMT 
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Bob's 'MTV Unplugged' is dope.


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PostPosted: Wed March 7th, 2018, 17:41 GMT 
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I agree with the consensus that it represents little of what makes Dylan special as a live performer. I don't think it was only the marketing men, I think Dylan knew he had played lots of bizarre performances over the last couple years and needed something more palatable to the public to remind people that he could still sing the songs they knew in a way they could at least recognize. As a fan, needless to say, I prefer some of those bizarre performances to these middle-of-the-road versions. It does have a few nice cuts, though: Dignity, John Brown, Shooting Star, Hazel, I Want You, With God on Our Side among them. I haven't watched the video in ages, I should probably revisit it. There aren't many professionally filmed and recorded Dylan performances available to us, after all.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 14:43 GMT 
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Big fan of 'Unplugged' personally speaking - I know some have said the performances are a bit middle of the roadish, but for once, it is quite nice to hear the songs done live in their original studio form.

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I would love for that to happen too, there are some great tracks still unreleased. I particularly like the version of 'Hazel' from those shows:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-zJuLAFu94


Just listened to this too - it's excellent!


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 18:58 GMT 
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I'll go out on a limb and say I think the version of Desolation Row is the defnitive version in terms of performance. Yes, like summerteeth says, some verses are missing (including some of my favourite lines "the nurse, some local loser/she's in charge of the cyanide hole, etc), but the energy and vocal delivery is sublime.
The "Royal Albert Hall" version used to be mine, and everyones I guess, favourite, but compared to MTV it seems heroin-sluggish and lacking chutzpah.

John Brown is an improvement on the old too. Tombstone Blues never sounded better. Really, MTV was proof in the pudding of the old chestnut that Bob would re-invent songs over and over live.

They should have included the version of I Want You though.

My only qualm, really, is that I feel bad for Bob somehow. You get the sense he was just a dancing monkey, doing his old hits for the guys in suits. He was playing MTV for crying out loud. Something doesnt gel with the whole setup. But for me there is no doubt Bob played at his best and it's equal to 1966 or 2001 in terms of quality of performance. I'm glad we have the official and unofficial version to treasure.


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PostPosted: Fri March 9th, 2018, 22:25 GMT 
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I really enjoy this version of Like a Rolling Stone and I think the album as a whole was pretty good and an interesting take on his songs. Certainly not the best MTV Unplugged album and maybe it could have been done better if it was not supposed to be commercial. I don't think you can beat Nirvana's MTV Unplugged and of course Eric Clapton's was very good too


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PostPosted: Sat March 10th, 2018, 03:31 GMT 

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I enjoy both the CD and the DVD. Great performances of LARS, Love Minus Zero, Desolation Row, Knockin' and John Brown. I also like the songs that didn't make the cut.

I'm looking forward to the inevitable Bootleg Series installment of the whole concert coupled with the Supper Club shows. Plus some surprises that we all didn't know about.

I also agree with the "performing monkey" aspect of it too, but it is the "music business" after all. It's also well overdue for Bob to do another career retrospective/Bobfest concert. There are 25 years' worth of new songs after all!


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PostPosted: Sat March 10th, 2018, 08:28 GMT 
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I Want You is breathtakingly good. One of Dylan's greatest ever performances. Melancholy, haunting, funereal: he turns a song supposedly about desire into a song about loss, and in doing so proves that - as always with Dylan - the meaning of the words is in their performance.


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PostPosted: Sat March 10th, 2018, 08:44 GMT 

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They left the better performances off the official release; Hazel, Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You, and of course I Want You. Release the two complete performances on CD with a DVD thrown in and, while it may not be top tier Dylan, you do have a very, very strong release of NET Dylan singing at his most conventional. By the way, the sound on the boots may be good, but it isn't offical release quality (particularly night one) so I would love to see an official release.


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