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Author:  mjmooney [ Fri March 2nd, 2018, 12:04 GMT ]
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I'll reconsider after the Joan Baez gig I'm going to next week.

Author:  stjulienlepauvre [ Sat March 3rd, 2018, 02:33 GMT ]
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Since we're discussing 'muse,' I'm reminded of Marianne Ihlen's response to being referred to as Leonard Cohen's muse:

"What does it mean? Thank you, Marianne, for making me so miserable I had to write about it?"

Author:  Nightingale's Code [ Sat March 3rd, 2018, 05:02 GMT ]
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Senyor Timbaler wrote:
I love the way she sings and I love the way she acts. What a woman! Joan Baez forever!

PS: I'm not dismising the other two... I'm defending Joan from these attacks. The world needs more people like Joan Baez. :)

Agreed, Joan gets a lot of undeserved hate. She's a great artist and has always stuck true to her beliefs for social change. Good for her.

Author:  BuhByeAngelina [ Sun March 4th, 2018, 01:28 GMT ]
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Bobby's got great taste.

Suze was the motherly, heart-of-gold supporter of Bob in the infant stages of his career. She always seems like a genuine sweet-heart with Bob's best interest in mind.
Joan was his true peer, equally strong-willed and talented. Their competitive/creative nature was copacetic to their circumstantial proximity in a way that fueled both of them, ultimately sending them in different directions. Probably because Bob didn't want to feel so competitive with a lover.
Sara was the sphinx of bob's fantasies. A model, intelligent, inscrutable; she seemed to effortlessly embody the visage that Dylan had cultivated and I think he respected her greatly for it.

For me personally, I'll take Suze any day. In terms of who helped Bob the most, I would say they all deserve equal credit for the man that would come to be. Suze picked him up, Joan pushed him further, Sara inspired him to write his most emotional songs. I agree that it is ridiculous to compare them but I always love the opportunity to appreciate the women that fueled his output. RIP Echo.

Author:  GirlsWon'tLeaveMeAlone [ Sun March 4th, 2018, 02:58 GMT ]
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This thread is a load of codology.

I can't believe I read it through.

Author:  Aylong1 [ Mon March 5th, 2018, 16:54 GMT ]
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ridiculous discussion,

* no one knows/knew these women
* only one is a musician
* you don't know for sure that the songs you are suggesting are 100% connected to these woman

sorry...just seems very pointless and board line obsessive. I'm only assuming, but, if Dylan read this poll, he may think it was a bit f***** up!

Author:  dvdunplugged [ Mon March 5th, 2018, 18:08 GMT ]
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mjmooney wrote:
I'll reconsider after the Joan Baez gig I'm going to next week.

R U going to ask her for her opinion? Only joking, just wondered where you were seeing her - my wife and I see her at the RAH in May.

Author:  mjmooney [ Mon March 5th, 2018, 18:09 GMT ]
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dvdunplugged wrote:
mjmooney wrote:
I'll reconsider after the Joan Baez gig I'm going to next week.

R U going to ask her for her opinion? Only joking, just wondered where you were seeing her - my wife and I see her at the RAH in May.
York.

Author:  mystic garden [ Tue March 6th, 2018, 00:10 GMT ]
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Aylong1 wrote:
ridiculous discussion,

* no one knows/knew these women
* only one is a musician
* you don't know for sure that the songs you are suggesting are 100% connected to these woman

sorry...just seems very pointless and board line obsessive. I'm only assuming, but, if Dylan read this poll, he may think it was a bit f***** up!

Yes, it is a ridiculous discussion, but not for the points you've brought up. And yes, of course he'd consider it bad taste.

1. Why does knowing these women matter? It's the songs that count.
2. What does them being a musician have to do with it? Do you know what we speak of when we speak of a muse?
3. Aware, but they don't have to be love songs. 'Blowin' in the Wind' and his political songs from that album are, in a small or large way, a product produced by his relationship with Suze and the political leanings she brought into his life. You could also deem everything Dylan recorded between '66-'76 the "Sara years", and the domestic life they built and eventually failed to uphold.

Author:  bella [ Tue March 20th, 2018, 02:39 GMT ]
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Everyone talks about being his muse, but can you imagine what it is like being his ex? :wink: I’m just satin’

Author:  Dan33185 [ Tue March 20th, 2018, 16:42 GMT ]
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stjulienlepauvre wrote:
wormington wrote:
It´s her voice and her behavior. I personally find her extremely annoying, but that´s just me. And you are right, it wasn´t my classiest moment :oops: She´s probably a good person. If you ever read this, Mrs. Baez, ignore this insignificant little invertebrate


wormington, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who finds Baez annoying. I see arrogance, ego & a cloying quality. It's her stage persona, as I don't know her.


There's a lot of us here apparently, as I feel the same way.

Author:  goodmeats [ Thu March 22nd, 2018, 02:08 GMT ]
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It's toxic to pit women against each other like this

Author:  Alouette [ Thu March 22nd, 2018, 02:12 GMT ]
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Joan doesn't belong there with the other 2 ladies

Author:  shooting_star_night [ Thu March 22nd, 2018, 03:09 GMT ]
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Alouette wrote:
Joan doesn't belong there with the other 2 ladies



+ Infinity

Author:  josemesa [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 18:20 GMT ]
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I vote for Yoko.

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 18:52 GMT ]
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goodmeats wrote:
It's toxic to pit women against each other like this


Who'd win a wrasslin' match in a vat of creamed corn ? Suze would probably tap out early, because she had some political manifesto to go work on, Sara would be disqualified for scratching and hair pulling, and Joan would ultimately prevail by smashing her corn slathered guitar over the heads of the other two.

Author:  wormington [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 19:45 GMT ]
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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
goodmeats wrote:
It's toxic to pit women against each other like this


Who'd win a wrasslin' match in a vat of creamed corn ? Suze would probably tap out early, because she had some political manifesto to go work on, Sara would be disqualified for scratching and hair pulling, and Joan would ultimately prevail by smashing her corn slathered guitar over the heads of the other two.

Play safe, sonny. In these times people can be killed for saying much less than that!

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 19:59 GMT ]
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Oh, shut up.

Author:  wormington [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 20:03 GMT ]
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Ain't Talkin' wrote:
Oh, shut up.

Fair enough. I did warn you. At least if the worst happens the level of musical taste in ER will increase considerably. Perhaps it's all for the best, in the end

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Fri March 23rd, 2018, 20:11 GMT ]
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Righto.

Author:  Alouette [ Sat March 24th, 2018, 14:31 GMT ]
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a clue
maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HLum_mrB4

Author:  stjulienlepauvre [ Fri June 15th, 2018, 05:02 GMT ]
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Alouette wrote:
Joan doesn't belong there with the other 2 ladies


Perhaps for good reason.

Author:  Sweetheart68 [ Fri June 15th, 2018, 18:25 GMT ]
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Love is the muse. I can't remember where he said it, but when asked if Bob was in love he replied "I'm always in love."

And if we don't want to credit Joan for being, what, love song worthy enough (giant eyeroll here) then at least give her credit for unselfishly promoting Bob when she was far more popular than he was. I think she's awesome. A strong woman who has stood up for her genuine beliefs all her adult life and career, not to mention her beautiful voice.

Author:  triumphh [ Fri June 15th, 2018, 21:37 GMT ]
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wormington wrote:
The songs they inspired? Is there a list of them, per muse?

whoever was the inspiration for Idiot Wind is for always the mightiest Muse of 'em all. Andra moi ennepe.

Author:  panther [ Sat June 16th, 2018, 00:44 GMT ]
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Alouette wrote:
some songs likely inspired by radiant jewel, Sara;

& every song on Blood on the Tracks

To be accurate about it, she didn't inspire "You're Gonna Make me Lonesome When You Go"!

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