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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 04:33 GMT 

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Does anyone feel like there's a kinship between these two records? I've seen comparisons to Comes A Time, but I've yet to hear that album in full (I'm assuming the harmony vocals on both albums helps when comparing them). I could find a couple loose comparisons between these records, and the previous records.

The album that I think is comparable to Blood On The Tracks would be Young's other '75 album Tonight's the Night. I feel like they are closer production wise, though Tonight is more raw in its sound. Personally, while I can listen to individual songs from those albums (Tangled Up in Blue, Albuquerque) I much prefer to listen to the complete albums.

Desire and Zuma, on the other hand, are both albums that I can pick up quite easily. I don't have to be in a particular mood to listen to BOTT/TTN, but I feel like they deserve a certain kind of attention. That's not to sat that Desire/Zuma don't deserve complete listens, and they each hold some pretty heavy material in some areas. But I appreciate the different approaches both Dylan and Neil took after their previous albums (though Zuma was recorded around the same time as Tonight, right?). I think Desire works so well because it's not trying to copy Blood On The Tracks, it's got a different kind of energy to it, something similar to Zuma. I think both albums show off each artists powers/abilities quite well, and have songs that are great for playing in nearly any occasion.

I base this off of personal experience, of course, but I would like to hear other opinions as well. My pals are great fans of Desire, and while they love Blood On The Tracks, it seems to work better when we're all thinking of tunes to play when we're hanging around or driving. Isis, Romance in Durango (both the studio and live versions), Oh Sister and Black Diamond Bay are often in rotation. For Neil I think the songs off of Zuma work like that. Drive Back, Don't Cry No Tears, Barstool Blues and Cortez the Killer are perfect to put on at any moment. I think these records serve as important and enjoyable albums at a time when both artists were at their peaks, or at least one of the various peaks depending on your point of view (...tangled up in blue)

But anyway, what're your opinions on these two albums?


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 05:12 GMT 
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They're similar in that they're both remarkably great records


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 09:40 GMT 

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Nightingale's Code wrote:
They're similar in that they're both remarkably great records
...and that's about all.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 10:40 GMT 

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Both feature very bad history: Joey and Cortez the Killer. At least Dylan may have the excuse of some irony.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 10:47 GMT 
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Zuma comes from a closet in someone's house where druggies huddled: it wins

Zuma Neil Young · SCROBBLES 157

1 Barstool Blues 61
2 Don't Cry No Tears 40
3 Danger Bird 28
4 Drive Back 23
5 Cortez The Killer 14


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 10:58 GMT 
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Zuma is Neil's peak.
Desire aint Bob's


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 14:03 GMT 
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Zuma is Neil's peak.

Did you forget about his time in the ditch when the seagulls were still out of reach?


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mystic garden wrote:
wormington wrote:
Zuma is Neil's peak.

Did you forget about his time in the ditch when the seagulls were still out of reach?

On the beach is close, but to me Zuma tops them all, mystic.
But what the heck do I know


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 16:31 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
Zuma is Neil's peak.
Desire aint Bob's


I feel the exact opposite. Desire is one of my absolute favorite Dylan albums. Zuma isn't a anything special to me, and I've never understood why it's considered one of Neil's great albums. Zuma wouldn't crack Neil's Top 10 for me.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 16:51 GMT 

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Oh I didn’t mean which is better, I meant do they feel like albums with a similar purpose? I feel like both are easily accessible without lacking in quality. I know some people would disagree with that, if they don’t like Desire or Zuma. But they both feel like records that are purposely trying to avoid what was done on the previous records, and pushing the boundaries of their work stylistically.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 16:53 GMT 
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Yeah I wouldn't disagree with that take.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 16:58 GMT 

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Yeah I wouldn't disagree with that take.

Fair enough! Would that be because you don’t think Zuma achieves that both albums?


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 16:59 GMT 
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Funny.
Never really thought about kinship between Desire & Neil albums.
And ‘gut-feeling’ sent me directly to American Stars & Bars, without a thought.

Coincidentally, and oddly, they both have hit Hurricane songs, too!
And were recorded in a similar period.

- Bob’s ‘Hurricane’ was first recorded in July 1975, but
to minimize any legal action was re-recorded Oct 24, 1975

- Neil’s ‘Like a Hurricane’ was written in July 1975 & recorded Nov 1975.

That’s crazy. Musta been a subliminal kinship I felt.
Thanks for bringing this up, Mercy!

That’s it!
Ya, Stars & Bars is the nearest Young kin to Desire.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 17:23 GMT 

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Funny.
Never really thought about kinship between Desire & Neil albums.
And ‘gut-feeling’ sent me directly to American Stars & Bars, without a thought.

Coincidentally, and oddly, they both have hit Hurricane songs, too!
And were recorded in a similar period.

- Bob’s ‘Hurricane’ was first recorded in July 1975, but
to minimize any legal action was re-recorded Oct 24, 1975

- Neil’s ‘Like a Hurricane’ was written in July 1975 & recorded Nov 1975.

That’s crazy. Musta been a subliminal kinship I felt.
Thanks for bringing this up, Mercy!

That’s it!
Ya, Stars & Bars is the nearest Young kin to Desire.


No problem! I’ll have to listen to Stars & Bars again, I didn’t give that one enough attention. Maybe after I spin Desire again!


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 17:29 GMT 
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rolling_thunder wrote:
wormington wrote:
Zuma is Neil's peak.
Desire aint Bob's


I feel the exact opposite. Desire is one of my absolute favorite Dylan albums. Zuma isn't a anything special to me, and I've never understood why it's considered one of Neil's great albums. Zuma wouldn't crack Neil's Top 10 for me.


Me, too.

Zuma's good album, but miles away from Harvest, Goldrush, the 1st, Rust...

Desire's the best rock album ever; period.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 18:24 GMT 
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ShotofMercy wrote:
rolling_thunder wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't disagree with that take.

Fair enough! Would that be because you don’t think Zuma achieves that both albums?


I'm not sure I understand the question.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 18:40 GMT 
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I've owned both albums since they came out and never noticed any kind of similarity.


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 19:16 GMT 

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e.[/quote]

Me, too.

Zuma's good album, but miles away from Harvest, Goldrush, the 1st, Rust...

Desire's the best rock album ever; period.[/quote]

The best rock album ever? Wow! Hey, I’m glad someone loves Desire that much, I was obsessed with it when I first heard it.

My first question wasn’t too specific, now that I’m reading it again. I don’t know, I guess what I’m saying is both albums have a certain kind of accessibility that I like. They’re both ear candy, though I think Desire has loftier goals lyrically. I love both albums , I guess I have a weird way of expressing that!


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ShotofMercy wrote:

The best rock album ever? Wow! Hey, I’m glad someone loves Desire that much, I was obsessed with it when I first heard it.

My first question wasn’t too specific, now that I’m reading it again. I don’t know, I guess what I’m saying is both albums have a certain kind of accessibility that I like. They’re both ear candy, though I think Desire has loftier goals lyrically. I love both albums , I guess I have a weird way of expressing that!


why people in here rate lyrics so high when it comes to judging music is a mystery to me...
do you mean Gerswhin or Beethoven are tier 2 because of their lacks of poetical rhymes?
:)

alright, that said (tongue in cheek, obviously):
Yes, I rate Desire as Dylan's best album ever.
And in my *any artist*'s best ever it ranks first, before Selling England - Genesis and 4 Way Street - CSNY


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 20:39 GMT 

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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Desire's the best rock album ever; period.

Woah. I guess it's all about opinions, but Desire isn't even in my top twenty Dylan albums. Outside of the brilliant Black Diamond Bay and the okay Hurricane, I actually dislike most of it (and positively detest Mozambique).


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 23:04 GMT 

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mjmooney wrote:
Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Desire's the best rock album ever; period.

Woah. I guess it's all about opinions, but Desire isn't even in my top twenty Dylan albums. Outside of the brilliant Black Diamond Bay and the okay Hurricane, I actually dislike most of it (and positively detest Mozambique).


I really love this site because one person can think a record is the best ever and the other can think it doesn’t scratch the top 20. Isis and Oh Sister have been my favorites lately. Black Diamond Bay is wonderful. I wonder if they’re actually will be a live version from that one ‘76 show on the next Bootleg Series. I don’t think it could top the studio version though


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PostPosted: Sat February 10th, 2018, 23:14 GMT 
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ShotofMercy wrote:
Black Diamond Bay is wonderful. I wonder if they’re actually will be a live version from that one ‘76 show on the next Bootleg Series. I don’t think it could top the studio version though


He never did that song live.


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PostPosted: Sun February 11th, 2018, 13:21 GMT 
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Except for maybe at this elusive show.

MAY 25, 1976
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SET LIST


Mr. Tambourine Man
Gates Of Eden
Vincent van Gogh
Mozambique
Just Like A Woman
Isis
Maggie’s Farm
Lay, Lady, Lay
Blowin’ In The Wind
I Pity The Poor Immigrant
I Shall Be Released
Lily, Rosemary And The Jack Of Hearts
Tangled Up In Blue
You’re A Big Girl Now
You’re Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go
Shelter From The Storm
Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
Oh, Sister
Black Diamond Bay
Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door
Gotta Travel On


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PostPosted: Sun February 11th, 2018, 16:20 GMT 
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Lily was played. Black Diamond not. It is another, of many, mistakes of bd.com. The correct song probably is Romance in Durango, not Black Diamond Bay. Rob Stoner said they never played Black Diamond bay onstage.


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