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 Post subject: Modern Times
PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2006, 11:22 GMT 

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Can anyone give any Ideas what the new album is like (Love and Theft? Time out of Mind?), also, what's on the DVD?


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2006, 11:29 GMT 
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It's a therumin-led punk-funk mashup. With a horn section. And a children's choir on all but one of the tracks (that one's an instrumental featuring Al Kooper on Swanee whistle).
Not really.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Times
PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2006, 11:49 GMT 
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Napoleaninrags wrote:
Can anyone give any Ideas what the new album is like (Love and Theft? Time out of Mind?), also, what's on the DVD?

details are scarce, supposed to be similar in style to the last to albums, produced by bob, recorded in new york, no info on the DVD


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2006, 13:19 GMT 

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I'm thinking it might be a DualDisc title in the states.

Take a look at Bruce Springsteen's We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EU ... nce&n=5174
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... oding=UTF8

The same with his album Devil's & Dust. Rather then release a Dual Disc, it is released as CD+DVD, because of legal reasons.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/09 ... ut_threat/

If this is the case, the DVD may hold the album (in stereo and/or surround) and a small featurette relating to the album.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 81-1437452


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PostPosted: Sun July 2nd, 2006, 08:27 GMT 

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Thunder on the moutain
Fires on the moon
A ruckus in the alley
The sun will be here soon

I was thinking about Alicia Keys
Couldn't help from crying
When she was born in Hell's Kitchen
I was livin' down the line

I'm wonderin' where in the world
Alicia Keys could be
I been lookin' for her
Even clean through Tennessee

These are the opening lines on Modern Times.... as quoted in the British newspaper The Observer... which also tells us that the album contains a title trac. So we can add that to the list of known tracks... Caspar Llewelyn-Smith also writes of Netty Moore rather than Neddy Moore

Ain't Talkin' is in fact titled "Ain't Talkin', Just Walkin'".... and the album "has the rootsy feeling of it's predecessors"...


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PostPosted: Sun July 2nd, 2006, 15:00 GMT 
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I hope those lyrics are a joke!


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PostPosted: Mon July 3rd, 2006, 01:04 GMT 
Jerry wrote:
I hope those lyrics are a joke!


So.... You're thinking they'll have a laugh track?

What if Bob likes Alicia Keyes?

What then?

I mean, you'd have a lot of nerve, to think you were his friend.......

:P


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PostPosted: Thu July 6th, 2006, 17:15 GMT 

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"Modern Times" unconfirmed tracklist: 1. Thunder on the Mountain (Modern Times) 2. Spirit on the Water 3. Rollin' and Tumblin' 4. When the Deal Goes Down 5. Someday Baby 6. Workingman's Blues 7. Beyond the Horizon 8. Nettie Moore 9. The Levee's Gonna Break 10. Ain't Talkin'. Source: The Observer.

Did ya see that folks... how exciting


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PostPosted: Fri July 7th, 2006, 10:17 GMT 

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Jonnie Falafel wrote:
"Modern Times" unconfirmed tracklist: 1. Thunder on the Mountain (Modern Times) 2. Spirit on the Water 3. Rollin' and Tumblin' 4. When the Deal Goes Down 5. Someday Baby 6. Workingman's Blues 7. Beyond the Horizon 8. Nettie Moore 9. The Levee's Gonna Break 10. Ain't Talkin'. Source: The Observer.

Did ya see that folks... how exciting


Modern Times was one of Chaplin's last
Hope this is not a cryptic message from Bob


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PostPosted: Fri July 7th, 2006, 12:45 GMT 

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Followed by 5 more films.

I'd settle for 5 more Dylan albums.


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PostPosted: Mon July 10th, 2006, 23:32 GMT 

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[quote="Jonnie Falafel"]Thunder on the moutain
Fires on the moon
A ruckus in the alley
The sun will be here soon

quote]

Just brilliant in my opinion :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed July 12th, 2006, 14:50 GMT 
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Jerry wrote:
I hope those lyrics are a joke!


Hi Jerry

As in 'i think they aren't such good lyrics'?

I like em and can't wait to hear/read more...3 little verses, no big fancy-schmancy words, yet already referenced, implictly or explicitly, are (in order of appearance)

weather/war/rip van winkle/charlie daniels/the moon/space program & rocketry/anomalies/errors of scienctists in interpreting what they observe/back street doing's/little richard/urban conditions/the second coming/the first coming/jesus/the sun/alicia keyes/ mixing of the races/slavery/regret and sorrow/new york city/drugs/recovery & detoxification/desire/diaspora/wandering/the tempest/tennessee/more: all the stuff i missed this go-round

dang!

if all that's just from 3 little verses, look out...so far, so good.

we gonna have ourselves a CONVOY! (or is that 'a CONVEY!' ?)


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PostPosted: Thu July 13th, 2006, 00:23 GMT 

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So, here's something else very interesting about the new album. The song which is entitled "Nettie Moore" could be a rendition of or a piece inspired by this song written by Marshall S. Pike and James Pierpoint in 1857. The lyrics are published as follows;

In a little white cottage
Where the trees are evergreen,
And the climbing roses blossom by the door;
I've often sat and listen'd
To the music of the birds,
And the gentle voice of charming Nettie Moore.

CHORUS [sung after each verse]
O! I miss you Nettie Moore,
And my happiness is o'er,
While a spirit sad around my heart has come;
And the busy days are long,
And the nights are lonely now,
For you've gone from our little cottage home.

2.
Below us in the valley,
On the Santee's dancing tide,
Of a summer eve I'd launch my open boat;
And when the moon was rising,
And the stars began to shine,
Down the river we so merrily would float.

3.
One sunny morn in autumn
Ere the dew had left the lawn,
Came a trader up from Louisiana-bay;
Who gave to Master money
And then shackl'd her with chains,
Then he took her off to work her life away.

4.
Since that time the world is dreary,
And I long from earth to rise,
And join the happy angels gone before;
I never can be merry
For my heart is full of woe,
And I'm pining for my pretty Nettie Moore.

5.
You are gone lovely Nettie
And my heart must surely break,
When the tears come no more into my eyes;
But when weary life is past,
I shall meet you once again,
In Heaven-- darling, up above the skies.


The song provides a clue to its historical origin in the second and the third stanzas. The river referred to, the Santee, is a small river in South Carolina. This was a state notorious for a slave trade based upon the farming of rice. One study based on research in South Carolina, (Speculators and Slaves: Masters, Traders, and Slaves in the Old South by Michael Tadman) suggests that one out of every five Negro marriages was prematurely terminated by sale into slavery and that if other interventions are added, the number rises to 1 in 3. In addition, slave trading tore away one in every two slave children under the age of 14.

The third stanza suggests this is a song about a relationship severed by just such a sale and it appers to have been written from the point of view of a slave by white abolitionists. Certainly, James Pierpoint was the son of a well-known abolitionist although his most famous piece of music is in fact "Jingle Bells"!

Marshall S. Pike, who was born in Westboro, Mass, was a minstel as well as a song-writer. In fact he was one of the first impersonators of female characters on the minstrel stage, having performed in Boston in 1836. He traveled with minstrel bands for some years. He was taken prisoner of war early in 1861, but was paroled the same year. He died at Upton, Mass., February 13, 1901. Other songs credited to him include "Ride on Darkies,". Its refrain is "Ride on Darkies, oh ride on; We’re on our journey home." The "we're" is interesting, suggesting that identificial with Negro situations was a common theme of his writing.

It's all rich source material for a Dylan song. I look forward to hearing what he will make of it!


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PostPosted: Wed July 19th, 2006, 10:04 GMT 

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Well, we now know that the song Nettie Moore on the album is not a cover of the old song I mentioned above. This snippet of the lyric is now available:

All I ever do is struggle and strive
If I don't do anybody any harm I might make it back it home alive
I'm the oldest son of a crazy man
I'm in a cowboy band
Got a (?) to pay for and I ain't got time to hide.

Be interesting to see how this ties in with the Nettie Moore theme.


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PostPosted: Wed July 19th, 2006, 20:51 GMT 
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The front page said there were MP3's avail at Sony.com - but then said they were gone...

what happened?
does anyone have them?


DAMN KIDS - REPORT REPORT!!!


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PostPosted: Thu July 20th, 2006, 18:43 GMT 
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After listening to the downloads, for some reason, this came to mind:

Seldom is form as important as function. We took the starlight and returned it to the heavens. We climbed upon the golden calf and rode it into the ground. If joy was in the mix, it took a sabbatical. For only fever and lightening and risk drove the chariot that worked its magic, to make us think a tender touch was just somewhere down the road. We set aside self made obstacles and championed the heart of the matter, as if in soul alone we dwelled and in spirit entwined we are bound to perish. And now the crushing weight of yearning abides safely in familiarity’s domain. And passion, it lives on, secure in that what was once, is now bequeathed to the world in songs to reach hearts untouched -- to celebrate a tale untold.


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PostPosted: Fri July 21st, 2006, 12:26 GMT 

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This might give an idea!!

http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/jinx/index.htm

interesting!


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PostPosted: Mon July 24th, 2006, 19:03 GMT 
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I almost started to cry when I heard this.
I can't wait, the voice of Dylan is just magical.


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PostPosted: Wed July 26th, 2006, 19:39 GMT 
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NETTIE wrote:
Well, we now know that the song Nettie Moore on the album is not a cover of the old song I mentioned above. This snippet of the lyric is now available:

All I ever do is struggle and strive
If I don't do anybody any harm I might make it back it home alive
I'm the oldest son of a crazy man
I'm in a cowboy band
Got a (?) to pay for and I ain't got time to hide.

Be interesting to see how this ties in with the Nettie Moore theme.


This gives me the chills. I CAN"T WAIT for it. This is one o those songs that in only a seconds time you can tell that it has something amazing. Am I too soon to say this: 2nd Oscar to Bob Dylan for the song Nettie More soundtrack to "I'm not there" the new film. All I can say is that if a song in 2 seconds gives me the chills there is something there for sure.


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PostPosted: Thu July 27th, 2006, 07:30 GMT 

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The missing lyric snippet is:

"I got a pile of sins to pay for....."


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 Post subject: modern times
PostPosted: Sat July 29th, 2006, 10:55 GMT 
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thank you ukjohnny...cant wait


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PostPosted: Sat July 29th, 2006, 11:32 GMT 
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you can get the samples from amazon.com at dylantree.com !!

http://bt.dylantree.com/details.php?id= ... 53467ac248


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Times
PostPosted: Thu June 14th, 2018, 07:12 GMT 
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I came across a book that made me think this album title may not have been chosen as an echo of Chaplin's movie.

wikipedia wrote:
Modern Times: A History of the World from the 1920s to the 1980s is a book by British journalist and writer Paul Johnson, who gives an outline of world history during the 20th century from a conservative perspective. It was cited in the National Review as one of the top ten books that changed America and is described as a book that has "influenced intellectual thinking on a profound level"...

Johnson describes world history beginning with the aftermath of World War I, and ending with the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe.

In the first part of the book Johnson deals mainly with the shaping of the Soviet Union in the first decades after World War I, the collapse of democracy in Central Europe due to the rise of Fascism and National Socialism, the causes that led to World War II, and its development and outcome. He devotes a chapter ("An Infernal Theocracy, a Celestial Chaos") to the development of Imperial Japanand the chaotic situation within China during the Warlord Era.

In roughly the second half of the book Johnson deals with the post-World War II events: the Cold War, the end of colonialism and the simultaneous birth of the Third World concept, the rise of the People's Republic of China and of independent India, the reconstruction and economic boom in post-war Europe, and the rise of the East Asian Tigers.

Worldview


Modern Times, as most of Johnson's works, is written in a narrative style with a political bent. Johnson is a conservative Catholic and generally treats secular ideologies in a hostile manner. Throughout the book he criticizes all forms of radical political reform, which he calls "experiments in social engineering", and several of its chapters are devoted to strong criticism of extremist politicians, including Nazis and fascists, and also left-wing figures such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong, whom the author deems as vicious as Adolf Hitler.

The author is clear that he views that most of the evils of the twentieth century as a consequence of the replacement of the traditional Judeo-Christian values with secular ideologies, whose influence he deems disastrous. Johnson is also a strong supporter of freemarket capitalism, which bolsters his hostility towards Communism. He also portrays famous Third Worldpoliticians, even icons like Mohandas K. Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, as frivolous characters.


Here it is on Amazon -
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Times-Rev ... 0060935502

Here is the complete text -
https://archive.org/stream/ModernTimes_ ... 1_djvu.txt


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Times
PostPosted: Thu June 14th, 2018, 17:41 GMT 

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That's really interesting, and would make sense since the title "Love & Theft" was taken from the Eric Lott book!


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Times
PostPosted: Thu June 14th, 2018, 22:38 GMT 
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Modern Times is easily my favorite album of this century. I have gone through three CDs. They all started to skip on Workingman's Blues #2 which I love so much. :D


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