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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 01:15 GMT 
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I've been a fan of the G.E.Smith years ever since i first heard the Bristol show,
the power and passion was intense.
I've read that some people think that in 1989 Dylan's singing worsened but listening
to say, 1989-06-17 - San Sebastian, Spain his voice is just as good as 1988.
My question is (and if its been asked before plz do point me to a thread) is how
many people think that 1990 was a bad year that went awful when John Staehely & Cesar Diaz
replaced G.E.Smith?
Some members here on ER kindly shared with me shows from after G.E.Smiths departure
at the tail end of that year, and i think they nailed it.
The set lists were still varied, and both John & Cesar were excellent players.
Which brings me to my second question, why did Bob let them go after the end
of 1991.First John Staehely was let go for the amazing John Jackson, but then
poor Cesar got dropped or left and i don't understand why because the tail end
of 1990 easily eclipses the first quarter of 1991 until Jackson got his game together.
I'd always assumed it was maybe a money decision, but would love more info on
the end of 1990 & early 1991 line up changes if anyone has any insight or links
to other threads about it :)


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 02:15 GMT 
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I believe Heylin is of the opinion that money was a huge motivating factor, with John Jackson emerging as by far the least expensive player he could find. I think he even mentions a retainer of $500/wk...but that can't possibly be right. I made $300/wk ringing a cash register in 1990!


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 07:57 GMT 
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I thought it had to be the money.
I vaguely remember G.E.Smith was into the 10s of thousands which as good
as he was, was false economy.
I was looking on wiki and it shows the venue sizes as the NET developed and
in 1988 Dylan was playing venues anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 although
there were larger venues booked it wasn't the norm.
In 1989 a lot of the same venues were booked, amphitheatres seemed to
be popular (i often think how cool it'd be to see Dylan circa '88 in an amphitheatre.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson took a starting wage of 2000 a month,
in interviews he said he loved playing, and he wouldn't have been making
that in a struggling band, plus he got to tour with Dylan, have his hotel and
food paid for etc, so yeah i could see that being true.
It's just a shame he was thrown in at the deep end, because the first half of
1991 was mostly poor musically, but by 1992 with Buddy Baxter and those
great versions of 'Idiot Wind' Jackson really came into his own.

But my other question was, what do the ER community at large think
of Staehely and Diaz, does anyone agree with me that they were pretty
damn good even if they were using G.E.Smiths arrangements.


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 13:20 GMT 
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Cesar was the amp and guitar tech, and also happened to be a good guitar player. Dylan had him playing for a stretch, but I don't think it was ever intended for him to stay in that spot.

I used to know Cesar back in the late 90's. We met a few times at guitar shows, emailed, but it was always about electronics. At the time I didn't know that he had worked with Dylan. All I knew was that he was the guitar/amp tech for Stevie Ray Vaughan and that was impressive enough!


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 15:55 GMT 
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"the amazing John Jackson"

He was not. He was serviceable.


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 21:34 GMT 
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In the Heylin book, GE Smith was asked to take a pay cut in mid 1990, and since he had a steady gig on Saturday Night Live, he declined and was replaced. In this video, GE talks about having a crazy travel schedule ("It got to be too much") and was offered more money to stick around on SNL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CIOhY4ysRE&t=334s


Plus, Heylin wrote that while Staehely and Diaz were good but not great, Dylan was "pouring water on a drowning band" by getting drunk every show and was "in the Twilight Zone." A sloppy fall tour, but I like a few mainly for the varied set lists. They didn't set the world on fire, but if Dylan wasn't boozing it up it might've been a wee bit better.

It's a mystery why Jackson was brought in and Staehely wasn't brought back, probably because J.J. was so cheap. However, in Olof's overview of 1991, it says:
In a telephone interview in the Guadalajara Reporter, No 8, 1991 (Feb 23-Mar 1) Dylan gets the question "What's the band you're touring with like?" and answers Real good, real simple. Tony (Garnier from Asleep At The Wheel) plays stand-up bass. We may use John Staheley (Robert Palmer band) on guitar. Was Staheley to replace John Jackson or C├ęsar Diaz?

http://bjorner.com/91%201-6.htm#Retro

Who knows what lurked in the heart of Bob?


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PostPosted: Wed December 13th, 2017, 21:57 GMT 
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I wouldn't be surprised if JJ made 500/wk. He was unknown with zero credentials. Probably made that amount again later with Lucinda.

Besides, Bob needed the money to pay off his divorce from Carolyn and marry me.

Anyway. I think Diaz may have been offered a permanent spot. I remember reading where he had told Bob his time was up and his boot heels needed to wander elsewhere.


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PostPosted: Sat December 16th, 2017, 12:02 GMT 
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The link below is a Pink Panther compilation of the fall 1990 tour. As usual with those comps, it's great and has an excellent summation of the time. I agree with the intro--there is some interesting, fun songs among the sloppiness.
The links have expired, though, so someone might ask for it to be re-upped. This thread has inspired me to request a re-up of the dekalb 11/6 show.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=85429&hilit=New+York+19+1990


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