Expecting Rain
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/

Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=92023
Page 3 of 3

Author:  Mutabor [ Fri November 3rd, 2017, 22:25 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Who was it that said: "it would have been wrong to have written this song and get rich from it, too."

He should have won the Nobel Prize.

Author:  yopietro [ Fri November 3rd, 2017, 23:02 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

oh the ragman wrote:
If I could give my kid several thousand pounds by writing my name a hundred times, I would.

And so would you.


Not if I already had 150 million pounds.

Author:  chrome horse [ Fri November 10th, 2017, 16:11 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

A Bob Dylan Martin acoustic guitar is going on sale and is expected to sell for AT LEAST $300,000. So much for those claiming his memorabilia is not appreciating in value.

"A historic 1963 Martin that Bob Dylan played for over a decade—including his full set at George Harrison's legendary Concert for Bangladesh in 1971—is going on sale.

The auction for the guitar is being held by Heritage Auctions, and will take place on November 11 in Dallas. Only the second known Dylan guitar to ever go to auction, it is expected to fetch at least $300,000.

Dylan sold the guitar to his longtime guitar repairman, Larry Cragg, in 1977. Cragg has kept the guitar in a humidity-controlled environment, with loosened strings, ever since."

https://www.guitarworld.com/gear/dylan-1963-martin-auction

Author:  motherwell [ Fri November 10th, 2017, 17:44 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Maybe he should sell some signed Bibles to celebrate BS13 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  FlexFlexerson [ Sat November 11th, 2017, 20:20 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

I actually picked up the unsigned, regular edition of the speech. Sat down last night and read through it. I've heard the lecture and read through it online, but it was actually a pleasant and preferable experience to have it on the physical page. I've read some science articles about how our brains process information better on the page than on the screen, and this experiment would attest to that. Lovely way to get absorbed in a great bit of writing. Find a copy on sale or pick it up from the library- it's worth the effort.

Author:  Ghost Of Lectricity [ Sat November 11th, 2017, 23:15 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

jman wrote:
I'll keep it real, if I was a guy with disposable income I would buy it just for the hell of it and not think twice. I would buy all kinds of shit. So what?

So the Earth will be cluttered with all of your worthless crap after you die. So what?
Image
relationships of ownership
they whisper in the wings

Author:  Still Go Barefoot [ Sun November 12th, 2017, 00:03 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

FlexFlexerson wrote:
I've read some science articles about how our brains process information better on the page than on the screen, and this experiment would attest to that.

Love it, Flex.
Any scientific article links you recommend?

Author:  FlexFlexerson [ Sun November 12th, 2017, 01:34 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Still Go Barefoot wrote:
Love it, Flex.
Any scientific article links you recommend?


Here's one in Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -screens/#
And Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerdoole ... 1a5f4833c3

Author:  chrome horse [ Sun November 12th, 2017, 16:19 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

The guitar went for $396,000. There's a good promo video about it from the auction house -

http://faroutmagazine.co.uk/bob-dylans-iconic-acoustic-guitar-sold-at-auctioned-for-400000/

Author:  effort [ Sun November 12th, 2017, 16:43 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Winter Lude wrote:
For some strange reason, I grew up thinking Dylan thinking was the one celebrity who didn't do this kind of stuff. I thought with him it was purely about the art. Not whoring out the name and image to bring in bucks. Boy was I wrong!


Groom already left the altar a long time ago.

Author:  chrome horse [ Sun November 12th, 2017, 17:00 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Winter Lude wrote:
For some strange reason, I grew up thinking Dylan thinking was the one celebrity who didn't do this kind of stuff. I thought with him it was purely about the art. Not whoring out the name and image to bring in bucks. Boy was I wrong!


An autograph by Bob Dylan is something that came directly from his hand - the same hand that penned his historic, world changing, songs. That this means nothing to you is unfortunate, assuming you are a Bob Dylan fan. Equally important, plenty of people have made money off of Bob Dylan's name and music over the years - from his hard work. I think he's entitled to a piece of his own pie. And you probably have a problem with people thinking of these things as monetary investments, which they are too. Welcome to the real world.

Author:  Ghost Of Lectricity [ Tue November 14th, 2017, 03:17 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Dylan's autograph means nothing to me.

And it's obvious that he can't really relate to most folks who want an autograph. The whole concept of autographs seems to stem from some unhealthy aspect of society. If you like a person's songs you want that person to write their name on some object or piece of paper? Why? To prove that you met them and hassled them? To sell it? To drool over? I feel a certain amount of bewilderment when confronted with people who make worthless things valuable. Or those who collect invigorating art for the purpose of an elitist pursuit.

Author:  chrome horse [ Tue November 14th, 2017, 12:11 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:

Dylan's autograph means nothing to me.

And it's obvious that he can't really relate to most folks who want an autograph.


Ghost, your straightforward honesty is most refreshing, and a real contribution to the discussion. You have served up a superb breakfast buffet. Muchos gracious!

"he can't really relate to most folks who want an autograph" .

So true. But......those with $100? He's ALL over them. A quick trip on my calculator tells me that the 100 signed copies of his book at $2500 a pop will bring the Bobster $250,000 - or, a quarter of a million dollars. I would venture to bet that this nice little hit took what, an hour, or a half hour to accomplish. I'm sure that surpasses the net money he gets on some of his shows in smaller venues, where he has lugged all his equipment to, stayed at cheap hotels, rode in the bus., etc. etc. And he can sign them in the comfort of his home, smoking a joint, nobody staring at him, thinking - "does it get any better than this?".

Author:  Ghost Of Lectricity [ Tue November 14th, 2017, 23:30 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

chrome horse wrote:
Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:

Dylan's autograph means nothing to me.

And it's obvious that he can't really relate to most folks who want an autograph.


Ghost, your straightforward honesty is most refreshing, and a real contribution to the discussion. You have served up a superb breakfast buffet. Muchos gracious!

"he can't really relate to most folks who want an autograph" .

So true. But......those with $100? He's ALL over them. A quick trip on my calculator tells me that the 100 signed copies of his book at $2500 a pop will bring the Bobster $250,000 - or, a quarter of a million dollars. I would venture to bet that this nice little hit took what, an hour, or a half hour to accomplish. I'm sure that surpasses the net money he gets on some of his shows in smaller venues, where he has lugged all his equipment to, stayed at cheap hotels, rode in the bus., etc. etc. And he can sign them in the comfort of his home, smoking a joint, nobody staring at him, thinking - "does it get any better than this?".

I'm glad you enjoyed the buffet. I'll be signing egg shells with maple syrup after I do the dishes.

Not sure why "fans" would allow this type of situation to occur. Not sure why anyone is willing to pay more for a book that has been signed.

Ken Babbs is selling signed copies of his book for ten dollars right now. The same price as an unsigned book. Would Babbs charge more if he could? Maybe.

Author:  chrome horse [ Tue November 14th, 2017, 23:57 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:

Not sure why "fans" would allow this type of situation to occur. Not sure why anyone is willing to pay more for a book that has been signed.

Ken Babbs is selling signed copies of his book for ten dollars right now. The same price as an unsigned book. Would Babbs charge more if he could? Maybe.


"Not sure why "fans" would allow this type of situation to occur."

Fans have no control over it, nor should they - it's not their property. You seem to be a very extreme control freak - trying to decide what people should or shouldn't like. I'm afraid democracy and freedom, along with free enterprise, are a bit much for you.

And you compare Ken Babbs selling signed books with Bob Dylan? Are you joking?
I had to Google him to figure out who he is - never heard of him. Though I know of the pranksters, of course.

You make some interesting points but I think you are completely out of touch with the real world - or a large part of it.

Author:  kuddukan [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 00:09 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Ken Babbs? Never heard of him. I wouldn’t give 10 bucks for his autograph - means nothing to me.

Author:  Ghost Of Lectricity [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 00:14 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

^ I'm with you. His autograph means nothing to me.
(Babbs was Ken Kesey's partner in the Pranksters)

chrome horse wrote:
Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:

Not sure why "fans" would allow this type of situation to occur. Not sure why anyone is willing to pay more for a book that has been signed.

Ken Babbs is selling signed copies of his book for ten dollars right now. The same price as an unsigned book. Would Babbs charge more if he could? Maybe.


"Not sure why "fans" would allow this type of situation to occur."

Fans have no control over it, nor should they - it's not their property. You seem to be a very extreme control freak - trying to decide what people should or shouldn't like. I'm afraid democracy and freedom, along with free enterprise, are a bit much for you.

And you compare Ken Babbs selling signed books with Bob Dylan? Are you joking?
I had to Google him to figure out who he is - never heard of him. Though I know of the pranksters, of course.

You make some interesting points but I think you are completely out of touch with the real world - or a large part of it.

The fans are the ones paying the ridiculous prices. I can't believe I have to explain this. Control freak? Huh? That's quite a leap. Perhaps you are showing me your true colors. You seem defensive. I'm the opposite of a control freak and there's nothing in my previous posts to indicate otherwise. You made a hell of a leap. I don't get why a fan wants an autograph or why someone would pay more for a signed book. Even as an investment it's only worthwhile because some other "fan" might pay even more for it later. I'm not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. I'm not trying to force anyone to bend to my will. I'm not even labeling you as you have tried to label me. Autographs are worthless to me. I don't get it. I'm not particularly materialistic or starry-eyed. That's all. You are free to do whatever you please as far as I'm concerned. And so am I.

The real world has many nightmares that I don't need to embrace. I accept them. I'm quite in touch. I mean, you could say "I don't believe in murder" and be accused of being out of touch with the real world.

I didn't compare Babbs to Dylan. Although he has more in common with Dylan than you do. Don't assume you are smarter, more aware or more experienced than me.

Author:  kuddukan [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 01:21 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

I’d pay maybe a hundred bucks for Bob’s John Hancock.

This is probably some number relative to my personal income.

If I made 10 times as much I might pay 10 times this amount.

It’s all relative.

Since I will never make $1,000,000 per year I don’t have to think twice on whether I’d pay $2,500 for this book. And no, the math doesn’t really come out.

Just like there is art selling for a gazillion dollars cause some schlub has the piles of cash lying around, there’s a market for Bob’s autograph.

It’s a really common thing for people to collect.

I’m not really sure what is being railed against here.

Author:  chrome horse [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 14:31 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

kuddukan wrote:

It’s a really common thing for people to collect.

I’m not really sure what is being railed against here.


It's not only common, it's a whole industry. One of our members here, and someone who had a Bob Dylan cover band, Bobby Livingston, is vice president of an autograph auction business here in NH, that handles big time items from all over the world. Here's a link to a Dylan signed photo from last summer that they sold for $1842 -

https://www.rrauction.com/PastAuctionItem/3378022

Some people feel it is the height of conceit for someone to sell their autograph. Picasso used to pay for groceries etc., with his autograph. Who cares?

Then there is the issue of Bob making money, like he is supposed to simply give things away. Nothing was handed to Bob Dylan. He worked his tail off and sang his heart out for a long time before he made any real money. He earned it the hard way
and made the most of the vast talent he was given. Though he has made a few TV ads, and sold some trinkets like this book, he basically has not exploited his name very much at all. You never see him on talk shows or anywhere really - other than on a stage singing - for you.

Author:  Winter Lude [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 15:20 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

I have a few autographs. I was back stage at an Allman Brothers show in 1990 and asked each band member to sign my back stage pass. They didn't charge me anything. That's how autographs should be. A personal encounter, a kind gesture, a valuable memento. That's where the value is, and it goes up from there. If people like to dump their money on a signature that has an inflated/assigned value from the start, that's fine. I will not be participating. 8)

Author:  chrome horse [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 15:29 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Winter Lude wrote:
I have a few autographs. I was back stage at an Allman Brothers show in 1990 and asked each band member to sign my back stage pass. They didn't charge me anything. That's how autographs should be. A personal encounter, a kind gesture, a valuable memento. That's where the value is, and it goes up from there. If people like to dump their money on a signature that has an inflated/assigned value from the start, that's fine. I will not be participating. 8)


Good summary. That's how I feel. I've never bought one and doubt I would, but if people want to - go for it.

I remember about 20 years ago Bob was selling some almost hand made books of his sketches at his shows, and I wish I had bought one(I think it was like $20), but it wasn't in the budget then.

Author:  Winter Lude [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 16:58 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

I wonder - If you pay Bob $2,500 for a booklet with his autograph, does he say thank you? :shock:

Author:  Dan33185 [ Wed November 15th, 2017, 21:34 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

Ghost Of Lectricity wrote:
The whole concept of autographs seems to stem from some unhealthy aspect of society.


And the whole concept of judging people who get enjoyment out of different things than you seems like a waste of time...but hey, we all get our kicks different ways.

Author:  mlpalintologist [ Thu November 16th, 2017, 00:24 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: Dylan's Nobel Lecture, signed & numbered for $2,500

I once paid what some might consider a ridiculous amount of money for a Buster Keaton autograph. I look upon it as a talisman of sorts. So shoot me. Dylan is the only other being I can think of for whose autograph (alone, minus any related artwork) I might consider paying an equally foolish amount. I'd be more inclined to go for a signed print, however. I think his art is improving. To each their own.

Page 3 of 3 All times are UTC
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
https://www.phpbb.com/