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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 05:16 GMT 

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I just listened to the Broomfield recording and discovered that Bob is now singing "but they closed the door" instead of "before they close the door"...
Is that a new change? :(


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 05:51 GMT 
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This change is new to me. But I didn't notice it when I listened to the recent versions, so it's possible I missed it during other performances as well. Bob had last performed the song in 2014, so you should check out that recording.

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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 05:53 GMT 
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PS Here's a link:
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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 08:27 GMT 
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I wonder if that is a deliberate change or if Bob's diction was just a little off, I swear I have heard him sing "To Make You Field My Love" just like so many times before so who knows?


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 14:45 GMT 

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No. He's just cutting the first syllable off "before": "Tryin' to get to heaven 'fore they close the door."


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 15:48 GMT 
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It would take an entirely new forum and staff of hundreds to catalog all the Dylan lyric changes and variations real and imagined.

Theologically, "I'm just trying to get to heaven but they closed the door" is a significant shift from "before they close the door." Especially if heaven is one's goal...


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 17:09 GMT 

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Untrodden Path wrote:
It would take an entirely new forum and staff of hundreds to catalog all the Dylan lyric changes and variations real and imagined.

Theologically, "I'm just trying to get to heaven but they closed the door" is a significant shift from "before they close the door." Especially if heaven is one's goal...


It would be significant it that's what he actually said. He says "Trying' to get to heaven 'fore the close the door."


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 17:13 GMT 
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mojofilter wrote:
No. He's just cutting the first syllable off "before": "Tryin' to get to heaven 'fore they close the door."

This is what I hear too. His diction isn't exactly sound.


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 17:35 GMT 

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Last night in Ames, he very clearly was singing 'fore....grave


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PostPosted: Wed October 25th, 2017, 18:14 GMT 

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Untrodden Path wrote:
It would take an entirely new forum and staff of hundreds to catalog all the Dylan lyric changes and variations real and imagined.

Theologically, "I'm just trying to get to heaven but they closed the door" is a significant shift from "before they close the door." Especially if heaven is one's goal...


Even if it’s not what he is actually singing here, it wouldn’t be that big a shift from what he’s said in other songs:


“The door has closed forevermore
If indeed there ever was a door”

“You left me standin’ in the doorway cryin’...”


And also not that far fetched Theologically:

“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Christ, dying on the cross)


Journals of Mother Teresa: (see https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/faith-and-character/faith-and-character/mother-teresas-long-dark-night.html

“I did not know that love could make one suffer so much . . .
of pain human but caused by the divine.
The more I want him, the less I am wanted.
I want to love him as he has not been loved,
and yet there is that separation, that terrible
emptiness, that feeling of absence of God.

They say people in hell suffer eternal pain because
of the loss of God . . .
In my soul I feel just this terrible pain of loss,
of God not wanting me, of God not being God,
of God not really existing.
That terrible longing keeps growing, and I feel as if
something will break in me one day.
Heaven from every side is closed.


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PostPosted: Thu October 26th, 2017, 03:19 GMT 
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He sounds so young here.


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PostPosted: Thu October 26th, 2017, 07:32 GMT 

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NateW wrote:
Untrodden Path wrote:
It would take an entirely new forum and staff of hundreds to catalog all the Dylan lyric changes and variations real and imagined.

Theologically, "I'm just trying to get to heaven but they closed the door" is a significant shift from "before they close the door." Especially if heaven is one's goal...


Even if it’s not what he is actually singing here, it wouldn’t be that big a shift from what he’s said in other songs:


“The door has closed forevermore
If indeed there ever was a door”

“You left me standin’ in the doorway cryin’...”


And also not that far fetched Theologically:

“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Christ, dying on the cross)


Journals of Mother Teresa: (see https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/faith-and-character/faith-and-character/mother-teresas-long-dark-night.html

“I did not know that love could make one suffer so much . . .
of pain human but caused by the divine.
The more I want him, the less I am wanted.
I want to love him as he has not been loved,
and yet there is that separation, that terrible
emptiness, that feeling of absence of God.

They say people in hell suffer eternal pain because
of the loss of God . . .
In my soul I feel just this terrible pain of loss,
of God not wanting me, of God not being God,
of God not really existing.
That terrible longing keeps growing, and I feel as if
something will break in me one day.
Heaven from every side is closed.


Great post, to which I can only add that Saint Therese of Lisieux (a real heavy hitter, theologically, and one of the rare Doctors of the Church) also struggled with doubt, particularly concerning the existence of Heaven. So, Dylan's not in bad company.


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 06:15 GMT 

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I was just at the Pittsburgh show tonight and can confirm that in the last line of the song Dylan definitely sang “I tried to get to heaven but they closed the door.”


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 08:39 GMT 
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Well, at least they haven't locked the door. If there's no doorbell he'll have to knock, knock, knock, maybe he should write a song about that....


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 11:04 GMT 
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NateW wrote:
I was just at the Pittsburgh show tonight and can confirm that in the last line of the song Dylan definitely sang “I tried to get to heaven but they closed the door.”

I have mp3 links to this song from Columbus, Bloomington, Grand Rapids, and Omaha on my site http://www.notdarkyet.org/, and have just listened to them all regarding this lyric change.

What I hear is "but", every time; but also "close" (present tense), every time. I do not hear "closed".

This would be a different lyric change: "... but they close the door" [indicating urgency, maybe?].


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 13:39 GMT 

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notdarkyet wrote:
NateW wrote:
I was just at the Pittsburgh show tonight and can confirm that in the last line of the song Dylan definitely sang “I tried to get to heaven but they closed the door.”

I have mp3 links to this song from Columbus, Bloomington, Grand Rapids, and Omaha on my site http://www.notdarkyet.org/, and have just listened to them all regarding this lyric change.

What I hear is "but", every time; but also "close" (present tense), every time. I do not hear "closed".

This would be a different lyric change: "... but they close the door" [indicating urgency, maybe?].


I've listened to those too (and I was at the Grand Rapids show). He says "'fore" (short for "before"). Absolutely positively. Why is there even an argument about this?


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 14:01 GMT 
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charlesdarwin wrote:
Well, at least they haven't locked the door. If there's no doorbell he'll have to knock, knock, knock, maybe he should write a song about that....


Had a little laugh to myself reading that.


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PostPosted: Tue November 7th, 2017, 14:13 GMT 
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mojofilter wrote:
... He says "'fore" (short for "before"). Absolutely positively. ....

Listening again, and I think you are correct. Sometimes the ears of non native English listeners hear funny things, especially if some write that this or that is what he sang.


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PostPosted: Wed November 8th, 2017, 00:47 GMT 

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mojofilter wrote:
notdarkyet wrote:
[quote="NateW"]I was just at the Pittsburgh show tonight and can confirm that in the last line of the song Dylan definitely sang “I tried to get to heaven but they closed the door.”

I have mp3 links to this song from Columbus, Bloomington, Grand Rapids, and Omaha on my site http://www.notdarkyet.org/, and have just listened to them all regarding this lyric change.

What I hear is "but", every time; but also "close" (present tense), every time. I do not hear "closed".

This would be a different lyric change: "... but they close the door" [indicating urgency, maybe?].


I've listened to those too (and I was at the Grand Rapids show). He says "'fore" (short for "before"). Absolutely positively. Why is there even an argument about this?[/quote]

Argument is a bit of a heavy word, for me anyway, haha, more like just blowing time on the forum and thought I’d chip in my two cents after seeing him last night. It honestly doesn’t matter much even within the context of the song itself, let alone in the big scheme of things.

Anyway, sure, I guess I could be wrong, but at least from the cheap seats it sounded like he said “I’m tryin’....” and “before” (or ‘fore) throughout the song, EXCEPT when he slowed down and emphasized the line at the end where very clearly annunciated each word in the past tense: “I tried to get to heaven—but they closed the door.”


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PostPosted: Wed November 8th, 2017, 01:27 GMT 
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Someone should ask him next show and settle this once and for all :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed November 8th, 2017, 02:53 GMT 
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Columbus, Nov 5th, 2017, 2 nights ago

Without a doubt it's totally:
" 'fore they close the door"

no question about it.

...starts around 33min, but the whole damn show is well worth a listen!

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PostPosted: Wed November 8th, 2017, 17:48 GMT 

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For all you folks who enjoy deciphering lyrics, are you up for a real challenge?

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