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Making a Liar Out of Me - Masterpiece?
Lost Masterpiece 17%  17%  [ 22 ]
Very Good Out-take 61%  61%  [ 77 ]
Not All That 21%  21%  [ 27 ]
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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 10:27 GMT 

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So 'Making a Liar Out of Me' is being hailed as a lost masterpiece. Is it? Or is it just a very good out-take? Or is it a bit of a damp squib?

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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 10:30 GMT 
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It's good on the page, but the recording is so-so.

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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 12:06 GMT 

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Isn't it just a little bit too early to judge?


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 12:20 GMT 
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Very good out-take.
It's not in the same class as Caribbean Wind or Blind Willie McTell. That's the problem with Bob, he sets the bar rather high for "masterpiece".


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 13:11 GMT 

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Not even close. It's solid mid-tier 70's Dylan. Good but not great. People are being a tad hyperbolic


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 13:14 GMT 
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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 13:27 GMT 
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Masterpiece is probably a bit much, but I think it's an amazing find for fans after all these years. It sometimes seems the well is bottomless.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 13:58 GMT 

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Personally I find it underwhelming. As lost songs form that era go, I prefer 'Let's Keep It Between Us'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oMGEVvCVHs


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 14:35 GMT 
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Mediocre. Agree with the above poster, so many outtakes over the years have been amazing that the bar is set high. All the "lost masterpiece" talk strikes me as hyperbole. The lyrics are interesting, but the song otherwise sounds somewhat unmemorable. Still glad to have it of course!


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 14:42 GMT 
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I agree at the same time with Depp91, Smoke, RichardW and The Bard.

And yes, I´m working on developing a personality of my own.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 14:45 GMT 
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I guess people who know as many lost masterpieces as lots of you guys here clearly do have a different perception of the term than people who are rather new to the "WHAT he considered this a mere OUTTAKE?!?" feeling...
The Bard wrote:
Very good out-take.
It's not in the same class as Caribbean Wind or Blind Willie McTell. That's the problem with Bob, he sets the bar rather high for "masterpiece".

Totally agreed.
smoke wrote:
Masterpiece is probably a bit much, but I think it's an amazing find for fans after all these years. It sometimes seems the well is bottomless.

Oh, yes. I haven't even caught a glimpse of the bottom yet, if there is one. One thing I love so much about Bob!


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 14:47 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
I agree at the same time with Depp91, Smoke, RichardW and The Bard.

And yes, I´m working on developing a personality of my own.


:lol: :lol: Great comment, wormington 8)

PS: So do I. But I just think contradicting people for the sake of contradiction is stupid.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 15:01 GMT 

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It's very interesting, some good lines, but not a masterpiece. I'm glad they have chosen to release it, but it's not in the same league as Yonder Comes Sin, Carribean Wind etc.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 15:51 GMT 

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It's a very good song. But so are the songs it "borrows" from as noted in other threads.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 17:28 GMT 
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FieldingMellish wrote:
Personally I find it underwhelming. As lost songs form that era go, I prefer 'Let's Keep It Between Us'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oMGEVvCVHs


God I love this song! (Well Bonnie's version at least)


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 17:58 GMT 
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I think it's pretty good.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 18:08 GMT 

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I'm going to wait until my box-set arrives and I have a good listen. This is too early to make a judgement on it. Maybe we'll have a better idea in a year (or decade) or two.

Most of Dylan's Gospel material was dismissed in most quarters when it emerged. The material proved more durable than the 'expertise' of those critics.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 18:30 GMT 
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Very good !

All Bob Dylan's gospel period is excellent.

As i'm here, i like lots that version :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxzlp- ... ata_player


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 19:50 GMT 

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ask me in ten years…


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 05:14 GMT 
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It's alright. I'll take it over most of what he did in the mid 80's.


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 07:17 GMT 

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RichardW wrote:
Isn't it just a little bit too early to judge?


No. When we all heard 'Blind Willie McTell' in 1991, we knew it for what it was. Even 'Red River Shore', which suffered from having been talked up way too much, felt like an important addition to the canon at first blush. This, not so much.


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 09:42 GMT 

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FieldingMellish wrote:
RichardW wrote:
Isn't it just a little bit too early to judge?


No. When we all heard 'Blind Willie McTell' in 1991, we knew it for what it was. Even 'Red River Shore', which suffered from having been talked up way too much, felt like an important addition to the canon at first blush. This, not so much.


That's your own opinion you are vigorously asserting as a settled consensus. You're very good at using the royal 'we'. You must also have a flawless memory.


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 13:35 GMT 

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Mickvet wrote:
FieldingMellish wrote:

Isn't it just a little bit too early to judge?

No. When we all heard 'Blind Willie McTell' in 1991, we knew it for what it was. Even 'Red River Shore', which suffered from having been talked up way too much, felt like an important addition to the canon at first blush. This, not so much.


That's your own opinion you are vigorously asserting as a settled consensus. You're very good at using the royal 'we'. You must also have a flawless memory.


No, it is not my own opinion and I am not using the royal 'we'. I don't know why you are being so rude and aggressive, and I don't really care either. We - i.e. Dylan fans - all recognised 'Blind Willie McTell' as a classic when the original Vol I to III came out. Could anybody have possibly failed to recognise it as such? No need for a flawless memory: something that striking does not tax the memory. Maybe you weren't around at the time? Or maybe you weren't paying attention.


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 13:41 GMT 
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I can't vote for *masterpiece*.
such are Jokerman, It's Alright, Johanna, Tambourine....oh, well, we all know.

But it's surely very good.
As I said in the other thread, it'd be one of the best tracks in any of his post-83 records.
Let alone being *the* best in half of them.

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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 14:00 GMT 
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It's an average song that could have been written by any half decent songwriter with a rhyming dictionary that had a few pages missing.

Seems to me it is mostly the Jesus freaks that are looking for something that ain't there - plus ca change.

Never mind, Sony don't care and neither does Bob - you want a 'lost masterpiece' to waste your money on, they've got whatever you like... but some masterpieces are more masterful than others. This just sort of grunts, and then it ends.


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