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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 11:21 GMT 

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So we have Yonder Comes Sin that leans heavily on the Jumping jack Flash riff, and Making A Liar that sounds like You Can't Always Get What You Want from the same session? Maybe Bob was trying to compose a whole religious album based on the melodies of The Rolling Stones!


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 12:39 GMT 

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Maybe I'm crazy, but I also hear a little "Saving Grace" in the melody.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 13:07 GMT 
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It’s a great track. I’m excited for this release and the Helton book


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 13:13 GMT 
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gizeta wrote:
anyway, it's from yesterday that this song sounds in my head


me, I've stopped listening to it, instead.

I want to fully enjoy it the very first day I'll have it here on my desk.
Like in the good old times.
My Dylan.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 14:57 GMT 
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This one left me a little cold, and kind of reminded me of the studio Let's Keep It Between Us. Wonder if they were recorded in the same rehearsal session.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 15:09 GMT 
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"you must have been beautiful when you were living". Man, what a punch in the face this sentence is.

The lyrics are quite compelling, but I think that, since the sentences are so long, the pivotal "pun" (the making-a-a-liar-out-of-me punchline contradicting all the previous statements) is maybe more understandable on the page than from hearing the words.

Musically I don't hear too much Stones in the melody. More like a Saving Grace + Absolutely Sweet Marie without the turnaround.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 15:45 GMT 
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Tentative and too slow (or just a dead beat) to my ears


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 16:02 GMT 
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^Agreed, some of the lyrics are great but it's a pretty dull recording I think.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 16:48 GMT 

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Calling it a lost masterpiece is of course a bad case of
hyperbole. It's a flawed song with touches of genius.
The fact that it's come to light 37 years after the date
in pristine sound quality is one hell of a bonus to my
mind.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 17:15 GMT 
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Exciting to hear a completely unknown tune. I like it quite a lot. My kind of song


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 17:16 GMT 
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And Bob's voice is amazing, especially when he hits those low notes... I love it!


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 17:34 GMT 

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"Some of these bootleggers, they make pretty good stuff
Plenty of places to hide things here if you wanna hide ’em bad enough
I’m staying with Aunt Sally, but you know, she’s not really my aunt
Some of these memories you can learn to live with and some of them you can’t"


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 18:39 GMT 

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gerardv wrote:
Making a Liar: Gospel Rant

I don't think that Making a Liar Out of Me is directed to any one
person, not even a fictional one. Dylan here employs the same
perspective as he does in Property of Jesus and When You Gonna
Wake Up, Dead Man, and Watered Down Love: he addresses the
unfaithful, apostate 'world' as a person. Hence accusations of sins such
as sacrificing children to false gods, ignoring the orphans and building
the tower of Babel can be levied.

In scripture this was common practice, especially in the Old Testament.
Check Ezkiel 16, Hosea 2 and Jeremiah 2-5 for extended monologues
about the Nation of Israel as a wayward unfaithful wife.

And it's that angle that is picked, in my opinion, in the case of this
particular song. A well known scripture in the New Testament says
'He who does not believe God has made Him a liar'. There are more
bible references that labour on this point ('Let God be true and every
man a liar', among others).

We're still in the hard core Christian phase here, along with about half
of Shot of Love, and the song is full (did I want to say riddled?) with
scripture references. I mention Shot of Love because this is from Oct
1980, and would, if finished and released, have ended up on that album.

Verse 1 'Feet of clay' originated from Daniel 2:33
'Destroyed by your inventions' Dt 28:20 'You will be destroyed because
of the wickedness of your inventions'

Verse 2 The 'promised land', and its conquest and defence are throughout
Old Testament scripture but esoecially in Joshua 1-24.
'sow discord among brothers' Literal quotation of Proverbs 6:19 (he who
soweth discord among brethren')
Remember the cries of the orphans and their mothers Job 29:12 'I saved
the needy who cried and the orphan' Ps 9:12 'He does not forget the cry of
the poor'.

Verse 3 Flesh and blood you're drinking Jn 6:54 'He who eats my flesh and
drinks my blood has eternal life'
Turning virgins into merchendise Nehemiah 5:5 'We are forced to sell our
children as slaves, some of our daughters are already sold off' Joel 3:8
'You have sold your sons and daughters'

Verse 4 Rumbling earth. At least 45 references on the earth trembling, often
as an apocalyptic sign of impending judgment. Hebrews 12:26 'Once more will
I make the earth to tremble'
Stand up unafraid to believe in justice Job 11:14,15 'If you put iniquity away
you will stand firm without fear'.

Verse 5 Sacrificing children to false gods. Unsurprisingly many references here,
mostly to Moloch and Baal. Jer 19:5 'They built altars to Baal to sacrifice their
children to him in the fire' Ex 16:36 'You worshipped disgusting idols and sacrificed
your children as offerings'.
The Tower of Babel is a Bible story found in Genesis 11:1-9. Man started to build
a tower to heaven. God destroyed the tower eventually and confused the language
of the builders, thus causing the phenomenon of multiple languages.

All that to say that there's just too much here. A very obvious reading of Making
a Liar, the most obvious one, is as a prophetic song from God's perspective to and
about the unfaithful earthlings. Let me know what you think.


Absolutely outstanding analysis. Thinking of it as from God's perspective makes sense of the whole thing. Dare I add that the person God is talking to might be "Bob Dylan", who despite his best efforts was having trouble following the prescribed path of righteousness?


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 18:46 GMT 

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When I heard it, I immediately thought of "Driftin' too far from shore". The verse structures are almost identical - although "Making a liar" is a vastly superior song, for all the occasional line that could have used some polishing.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 18:48 GMT 

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bobfan wrote:
So we have Yonder Comes Sin that leans heavily on the Jumping jack Flash riff, and Making A Liar that sounds like You Can't Always Get What You Want from the same session? Maybe Bob was trying to compose a whole religious album based on the melodies of The Rolling Stones!


Thief on the Cross has a Rolling Stones vibe as well.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 20:04 GMT 
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gerardv wrote:
thus causing the phenomenon of multiple languages.

All that to say that there's just too much here.


Babble?

Heylin's solar plexus claim is side-splitting.

Fools' gold.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 20:39 GMT 

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well recorded and sung melody very similar to Where Are You Tonight could do with a bridge section


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 21:22 GMT 
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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
That said, it's the umpteenth masterpiece from 70's Dylan.
Were it a new song, I'd rank it his best since Jokerman without any shadow of a doubt.
My Dylan.
I knew it.



Wow. You are hearing something that I'm not hearing. It's an interesting listen but throwaway and far from a masterpiece. Wouldn't trade it for anything off Love and Theft, Modern Times or Tempest.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 21:31 GMT 
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man in the moon wrote:
Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
That said, it's the umpteenth masterpiece from 70's Dylan.
Were it a new song, I'd rank it his best since Jokerman without any shadow of a doubt.
My Dylan.
I knew it.



Wow. You are hearing something that I'm not hearing. It's an interesting listen but throwaway and far from a masterpiece. Wouldn't trade it for anything off Love and Theft, Modern Times or Tempest.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
...exactly the same thing (diametrically opposite...) I was thinking when posting, but I omitted as I didn't want to sound polemical...

God, I love differences....
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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 21:36 GMT 

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If I might squeeze in between the two of you, I think it could fit into Tempest, which with Pay In Blood already has a touch of the Stones (I must qualify that I only speak of the lyrics, as I don't want to hear the song until my box-set arrives).


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 22:59 GMT 

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Absolutely love this. It's early, so I'm just relishing the magnificent vocal, the intriguing lyrics
(fascinating analysis above) and the utter joy at having a brand new Dylan song to savour.

Astonishing.


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PostPosted: Thu October 12th, 2017, 23:58 GMT 

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i was already so glad with " See By Faith" (sung by the blind boys of alabama) and now this.......


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 00:31 GMT 
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I listened to it once. I'm seeing it hailed as a masterpiece but its too early for me to jump on that bandwagon. Blind Willie McTell was a masterpiece coming out of the gate but I'll need to listen to this again... probably several times.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 01:39 GMT 
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Untrodden Path wrote:
I listened to it once. I'm seeing it hailed as a masterpiece but its too early for me to jump on that bandwagon. Blind Willie McTell was a masterpiece coming out of the gate but I'll need to listen to this again... probably several times.


No matter how many listenings, this song will not be a masterpiece.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 02:30 GMT 
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Interesting song. The lack of any mention of God/Jesus makes me wonder if the song might have been written at an earlier date, perhaps Street Legal era or even as far back as BOTT. Resonances of Idiot Wind here.


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