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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 20:46 GMT 
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Always liked it since first hearing it when Sony released the first BS.
The lyrics sound good, i mean the words weaved in that order sound
meaningful and Dylan sounds fired up, but for the life of me i never did
know what that song is about.
Fragments of various things? Stream of consciousness, or something
altogether more focused?


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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 20:49 GMT 
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
Always liked it since first hearing it when Sony released the first BS.
The lyrics sound good, i mean the words weaved in that order sound
meaningful and Dylan sounds fired up, but for the life of me i never did
know what that song is about.
Fragments of various things? Stream of consciousness, or something
altogether more focused?


Divine Justice/Judgement (that's the 'Foot').

With the appropriately-titled Oh Mercy, he balanced Justice with its constant counterpart, Mercy. In both his own religion-themed songs and the ones he has chosen to cover since the latter album, he has not been as inclined to hellfire (not that he has ruled it out, either) as with Foot of Pride.


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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 20:54 GMT 
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So we're in spiritual territory but not necessarily christian?
Or is the 'Foot Of Pride' theme directly linked to Christianity?
I'm not very well acquainted with the bible but i got the impression
it had a judgemental vibe about it.


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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 20:59 GMT 
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
So we're in spiritual territory but not necessarily christian?
Or is the 'Foot Of Pride' theme directly linked to Christianity?
I'm not very well acquainted with the bible but i got the impression
it had a judgemental vibe about it.


It's Judeo-Christian. There are many references to both the Old and New Testaments. But, the main emphasis would be Christian-note, 'Christ betrayed', 'the Lord's Prayer' and 'Amazing Grace' are mentioned.


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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 21:17 GMT 

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It's about six minutes.


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PostPosted: Sun October 1st, 2017, 22:00 GMT 
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I said this years ago; but I think the first and last verses have something to do with Elvis Presley.


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Howard Alk's suicide.


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Donald Trump?


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 00:48 GMT 
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More here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51135&hilit=Foot+of+Pride&start=0


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 00:50 GMT 
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Somebody Naked wrote:
I said this years ago; but I think the first and last verses have something to do with Elvis Presley.


1st verse
Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang “Danny Boy” at his funeral and the Lord’s Prayer
Preacher talking ’bout Christ betrayed
It’s like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say about bein’ nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin’ down


last verse
Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin’ that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Ain’t nothin’ left here partner, just the dust of a plague
that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, this’ll be where you’re from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade


Climbing the hill, jesus maybe?
How are you getting Elvis from these though,
if you are that is :)


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 00:53 GMT 
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Thanks stillgobarefoot this quote helped out;

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Psalm 36:11
Let not the foot of pride come against me, And let not the hand of the wicked drive me away.


I guess there isn't a single thing nobody hasn't already discussed in
detail years ago on ER. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 01:05 GMT 

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LibraChild1980 wrote:
Somebody Naked wrote:
I said this years ago; but I think the first and last verses have something to do with Elvis Presley.


1st verse
Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang “Danny Boy” at his funeral and the Lord’s Prayer
Preacher talking ’bout Christ betrayed
It’s like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say about bein’ nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin’ down


last verse
Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin’ that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Ain’t nothin’ left here partner, just the dust of a plague
that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, this’ll be where you’re from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade


Climbing the hill, jesus maybe?
How are you getting Elvis from these though,
if you are that is :)


Man that last verse is brilliant. Had never really appreciated it before.


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 05:47 GMT 
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
Somebody Naked wrote:
I said this years ago; but I think the first and last verses have something to do with Elvis Presley.


1st verse
Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang “Danny Boy” at his funeral and the Lord’s Prayer
Preacher talking ’bout Christ betrayed
It’s like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say about bein’ nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin’ down


last verse
Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin’ that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Ain’t nothin’ left here partner, just the dust of a plague
that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, this’ll be where you’re from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade


Climbing the hill, jesus maybe?
How are you getting Elvis from these though,
if you are that is :)


It's tenuous, I'll give you that; but Danny Boy was played at Elvis' funeral. Did the earth just open and swallow him up? Did he reach too high? Was he struck down by the strength of the will? Is this the price and lesson of fame? I have no answers, I'm afraid. Only questions.

"It's been one hill after another
I climbed them all, one by one
But this time, Lord, you gave me a mountain
A mountain I may never climb
It is not a hill any longer
You gave me a mountain this time"

Dylan's love for Elvis and sense of loss at his death are pretty well-known. I've no idea if he was on his mind in 1983; but it does strike me that these were some of the first secular songs he wrote since Elvis' death in 1977. It's possible that it took him a few years for him to seep into his writing.

I don't know. It's a massively complex song. All I'm saying is that there are elements of these two verses that make me think that Elvis has a presence in this vast, baffling composition.


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 16:53 GMT 
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Seems like a pretty typical Dylan song about the dangers of getting to prideful and envious in your ways. Getting too uppity. An updated "Ballad of a thin man". The gist of the song seems pretty straight-forward. I've always been more concerned with the esoteric lines littered throughout:

"Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male"

Whaaa?
Is this "I love women; every man should have one" territory?

(And I've always been convinced he sang "Like a lion tears the flesh of brother man")


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 17:14 GMT 
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^ it's post-Angelina territory there, combat zone, no reconciliation on the 4th


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Sure would like to hear rehearsals for this song, to see how exactly Bob prepped the band for his approach. Nevermind the meanings, the delivery is awesome. Very aggressive.


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 19:03 GMT 
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asdf29 wrote:
Sure would like to hear rehearsals for this song, to see how exactly Bob prepped the band for his approach. Nevermind the meanings, the delivery is awesome. Very aggressive.


Oh, man! A Foot of Pride rehearsal. That would be sublime. With all the 84 rehearsals floating around. Not very likely though, unless someone broke in somewhere or "hacked the mainframe" of Sony HQ... "I just need one more minute" :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 20:47 GMT 
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"Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male"


I can understand the first line, in so much as it could mean
''a strong woman will get to the truth of a man'',
but a woman passing herself off as a male?

I get the chorus now i was shown the biblical quote, but the songs
littered with lines that aren't straight forward, and probably cryptically personal,
perhaps one reason it wasn't released on the album?


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PostPosted: Mon October 2nd, 2017, 21:55 GMT 

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LibraChild1980 wrote:
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"Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male"


I can understand the first line, in so much as it could mean
''a strong woman will get to the truth of a man'',
but a woman passing herself off as a male?

I get the chorus now i was shown the biblical quote, but the songs
littered with lines that aren't straight forward, and probably cryptically personal,
perhaps one reason it wasn't released on the album?


That opening couplet has always been the thing that stuck out in the song to me. Seems so obscure that it feels like something that must have happened to Dylan. Metaphorically speaking, he had his flesh torn off by a woman dressed as a man. Huh? It would make more sense the other way, in a sexual context.

That line just ruins the song for me, because I can't figure out, in the context of the song, or really any context. Can anyone out there make any sense of it?


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 00:35 GMT 
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Unless the ''woman who passes herself off as a male'' is breaking
the invisible gender barrier and able to figure the man out?
It doesn't seem to be a sexual reference, like you say, it'd have
to be the other way around.
It's an odd one.
It'd seem he's talking generally, not first person, so maybe it
really is just another way of putting across the message that
a strong lady will always see through a man?
But that'd be seriously underselling the male species, and
although Dylan is guilty of both putting the females in his
songs on pedestals and also veering close to, well lets just say
old fashioned male/female gender roles, i don't think i've ever
heard him take a swipe at men in general, so yep. i'm still stumped.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 19:03 GMT 
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asdf29 wrote:
Sure would like to hear rehearsals for this song, to see how exactly Bob prepped the band for his approach. Nevermind the meanings, the delivery is awesome. Very aggressive.


Entirely agree.

Does anyone know where the sessions for FoP are? - and if they're circulating.

But some of my favourite of Bob's vocals here, you can here him almost snarling in some places, it's great.


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it's about a vain midget who is only a foot tall. you can look it up


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PostPosted: Wed October 4th, 2017, 18:56 GMT 
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His eyes were two slits, make any snake proud
With a face any painter would paint, as he walked through the crowd
Worshipping the body of a woman well endowed
And a face of a hyena


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PostPosted: Thu October 5th, 2017, 21:45 GMT 
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[quote="josemesa"][quote="LibraChild1980"][q"Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male"

I can understand the first line, in so much as it could mean
''a strong woman will get to the truth of a man'',
but a woman passing herself off as a male?

I get the chorus now i was shown the biblical quote, but the songs
littered with lines that aren't straight forward, and probably cryptically personal,
perhaps one reason it wasn't released on the album?
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That opening couplet has always been the thing that stuck out in the song to me. Seems so obscure that it feels like something that must have happened to Dylan. Metaphorically speaking, he had his flesh torn off by a woman dressed as a man. Huh? It would make more sense the other way, in a sexual context.

That line just ruins the song for me, because I can't figure out, in the context of the song, or really any context. Can anyone out there make any sense of it?
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I mentioned this in another FoP thread, but in an otherwise amazing song, this first line always makes me cringe.

But if we're honest, misogyny and homophobia are both present in lots of Dylan's work. Also in lots of Judeo-Christian teachings.
Shrug.

Funny thing I just noticed in the song lyrics above, I've always heard this differently:

Ain’t nothin’ left here partner, just the dust of a plague
that has left us old aaaaand afraid
From now on, this’ll be where you’re from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as you raise the shade

But now that I read it, the posted lyrics are probably more accurate. But I LOVE the way he says/said(?):
old aaand afraid!


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PostPosted: Fri October 6th, 2017, 04:03 GMT 

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effort wrote:
His eyes were two slits, make any snake proud
With a face any painter would paint, as he walked through the crowd
Worshipping the body of a woman well endowed
And a face of a hyena


That's another one that's always weirded me out. Another almost great song thrown off by bizarre lyrics. But in both cases, had the song been chosen for inclusion on the album those lyrics might have been changed, as was the case with, for example, Jokerman and Sweetheart Like You.


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