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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:23 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
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I've ordered the deluxe edition from badlands.co.uk, my Dylan supplier of choice since they sent me "Love & Theft" three days before that fateful release day. The deluxe edition gets me everything, right? I'm a little confused by all these hidden, secret, exclusive bonus things.

Howdy, SN! I believe you wont get the bonus 1979 San Diego gig, as this is only supposed to be included in orders done through bobdylan.com. but Im also confused now so who knows?


D'oh. Oh well, I'll be £135 poorer and then I'll have to do some digging, I guess...


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:28 GMT 
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You tripping? It looks like a rushed low budget amateur bootleg CD insert, and Bob looks a sight.


It's called The BOOTLEG Series. They made it look like a bootleg. To me it makes sense.

As to the content, everybody on here would probably come up with a different tracklist. I like what they did for the 11 disc deluxe set: three complete shows, one each from 1979, 1980 and 1981 (even though Toronto is a "constructed" show) and additional compilations of unreleased live and studio tracks.

To release a gospel era set at this point in time is a strong statement.

Blessed is the name.


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:30 GMT 
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"at this point in time"?


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:35 GMT 
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"at this point in time"?


At a point in time that is marked by people constantly announcing what they hate, Dylan releases a set of music, in which he announces what he loves. Instead of attacking a perceived enemy he celebrates his hero (his words, Sydney 1986). You gotta serve somebody.


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:41 GMT 

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My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
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It's called The BOOTLEG Series. They made it look like a bootleg. To me it makes sense.

As to the content, everybody on here would probably come up with a different tracklist. I like what they did for the 11 disc deluxe set: three complete shows, one each from 1979, 1980 and 1981 (even though Toronto is a "constructed" show) and additional compilations of unreleased live and studio tracks.

To release a gospel era set at this point in time is a strong statement.

Blessed is the name.


With regard to your 'bootleg' comment, I had a look at Bobsboots and I think that the cover art might be done in the style of many of the Thinman label covers. Which is appropriate.


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:42 GMT 
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four-armed phone wrote:
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I've ordered the deluxe edition from badlands.co.uk, my Dylan supplier of choice since they sent me "Love & Theft" three days before that fateful release day. The deluxe edition gets me everything, right? I'm a little confused by all these hidden, secret, exclusive bonus things.


There's only one "hidden, secret, bonus thing". An extra 2-CD set with a 1979 concert if you buy the box on BD's official site.


Thank you. I understand now, if a little late.


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PostPosted: Fri September 22nd, 2017, 22:46 GMT 
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I don't get this hate for the sleeve cover.
They clearly picked that photo because Dylan's arms are outstretched,
Jesus on the cross style. The gold/red font looks classy and from
what ive seen of the pictures of the deluxe set it looks like a wonderful
package to own. Some people, many only ever brought up on MP3s don't
care for such packages, but to me, owning the vinyl/CD, opening them
up for the first time, enjoying the art and info, that's part of buying
an album for me, i only listen to MP3s/FLAC when i'm wanting to hear
bootleg recordings, if i like the show or outtakes, i'll buy the CD.
I bought the Genuine Bootleg Series when that came out, it was from
a small specialist shop and it cost me more money than Sony are
asking for this pristine quality release.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 01:34 GMT 
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FieldingMellish wrote:
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My initial reaction was that they finally put out a Bootleg Collection that looks like an actual bootleg, right down to the crappy cover art. Then I remember the cover "art" for Triplicate...


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 01:45 GMT 
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My initial reaction was that they finally put out a Bootleg Collection that looks like an actual bootleg, right down to the crappy cover art. Then I remember the cover "art" for Triplicate...


Fair enough, your opinion is one shared by a lot of people.
I like the cover, but each to his/her own.
I never really gave the Triplicate album sleeve that much thought,
probably because there's not much to think about.
I guess they went for, clean, slick, and simple.
I wonder how much input Dylan has in the sleeves of his albums.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 02:19 GMT 
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The word "Stereo" at the top is what sold me.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 04:25 GMT 

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If its wrong to judge a book by it's cover, surely the same applies here. Perversely some people who get annoyed with Sony's hard sell tactics, get upset because they don't like the way Bob looks on the cover. Only the music counts.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 04:54 GMT 
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
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I've played the '80 Toronto sbd recording, and Avignon '81 sbd, a lot but never spent any time with the '79 gigs because the audience recordings just didn't have good enough sound quality for me. To get professional recordings from this run that have never circulated is really something to look forward to.


What 1979 shows have you heard?
Santa Monica 79.11.18 is as good as any 1980 recording.
There are different sources of it i think, but the one i uploaded
to the Rare Recordings page is an 'A' for sound.
I love the 1980 shows you mentioned, but Santa Monica
is certainly as good as those two shows for sound quality.
It's a shame you need such a pristine near release quality bootleg,
i hope that's not stopped you listening to recordings that aren't
near official quality, there's so many shows rated B and B+ on
LB that are amazing shows. Most of which will never see an official
release.


Agreed. The Millard recordings from Santa Monica are excellent and the final '79 Warfield show captured on "A Better Contract" is also equally as good as Avignon/Toronto.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 04:56 GMT 
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My only complaint, if it is much of a complaint isn't the artwork.
Instead of filling up CDs with multiple versions of the same songs
in live compilation discs, outtakes and rehearsals, i'd have set
aside the truly unreleased songs for one CD, put two full concerts
across 4 CDs, had an outtakes CD, and then the DVD.
The unreleased disc would've been;

Ain’t Gonna Go to Hell for Anybody
Blessed Is the Name
Coverdown Prey Through
Thief On The Cross
Ain’t No Man Righteous No Not One
Stand by Faith
I Will Love Him
Jesus Is the One
City of Gold
Making a Liar Out of Me
Yonder Comes Sin
Rise Again
Let’s Begin
Help Me Understand
Abraham Martin and John
Lets Keep It Between Us
We Just Disagree

I didn't put Caribbean Wind on there since its not a new studio
version, but whether it was on the unreleased disc or in a show
doesn't really matter, the point is there's no unearthed studio
take of it which is a shame, i'd hoped there might've been a less
polished and pristine studio version.
Anyway, that's what i'd have put out if i worked in the job of
putting the BS series together, cos i do think compiling the same
live songs that then appear in full concerts and outtake versions
is a bit wasteful.
All that aside, i'll still buy the deluxe version, the package as
a whole looks interesting, the book, info booklets, film etc.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 07:11 GMT 
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Yes, I agree with that. It would have been nice to have one CD or two with all the "rarities" from that era.
Otherwise, I don't have any complaints about the song selection. It is a very large overview of that important period of Bob's life. And That's good enough for me.
I still think the cover looks like crap, though.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 07:31 GMT 
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Like I said before, I´m happy that they left out some studio material, if the quality is not on par with the rest of the stuff. I´m sure sooner or later the rest will see the light one way or another.
Anyway, to those complaining about price/track selection/packaging, I tell onto you that the kingdom of God is nigh, and those of you who worship not his bobness and Sony and everything they release with their mighty hand shall burn and twist in the fires of hell.
Repent, sinners! REPENT, I SAY!!!


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 08:14 GMT 

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FieldingMellish wrote:
Alouette wrote:
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My initial reaction was that they finally put out a Bootleg Collection that looks like an actual bootleg, right down to the crappy cover art. Then I remember the cover "art" for Triplicate...


I think people explaining the pose on the cover as a deliberate nod to crucifixion etc. are reading way, way too much into it. Either way, it's a terrible photo and the cover is a mess. Is it apt that it looks like an amateur bootleg cover? Maybe they should downgrade the sound too, for extra authenticity?

And never mind 'Triplicate', what about the abomination they gave us for 'Tempest'?


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 08:19 GMT 

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LibraChild1980 wrote:
My only complaint, if it is much of a complaint isn't the artwork.
Instead of filling up CDs with multiple versions of the same songs
in live compilation discs, outtakes and rehearsals, i'd have set
aside the truly unreleased songs for one CD, put two full concerts
across 4 CDs, had an outtakes CD, and then the DVD.
The unreleased disc would've been;

Ain’t Gonna Go to Hell for Anybody
Blessed Is the Name
Coverdown Prey Through
Thief On The Cross
Ain’t No Man Righteous No Not One
Stand by Faith
I Will Love Him
Jesus Is the One
City of Gold
Making a Liar Out of Me
Yonder Comes Sin
Rise Again
Let’s Begin
Help Me Understand
Abraham Martin and John
Lets Keep It Between Us
We Just Disagree

I didn't put Caribbean Wind on there since its not a new studio
version, but whether it was on the unreleased disc or in a show
doesn't really matter, the point is there's no unearthed studio
take of it which is a shame, i'd hoped there might've been a less
polished and pristine studio version.
Anyway, that's what i'd have put out if i worked in the job of
putting the BS series together, cos i do think compiling the same
live songs that then appear in full concerts and outtake versions
is a bit wasteful.
All that aside, i'll still buy the deluxe version, the package as
a whole looks interesting, the book, info booklets, film etc.


Agreed on the studio stuff and tracks.

I'd like to see the deluxe package, and I always prefer to have my own hard copy of things, but my desire for this release is not £175.99 strong. I'll download it.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 08:40 GMT 

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LibraChild1980 wrote:
bobfan wrote:
I've played the '80 Toronto sbd recording, and Avignon '81 sbd, a lot but never spent any time with the '79 gigs because the audience recordings just didn't have good enough sound quality for me. To get professional recordings from this run that have never circulated is really something to look forward to.


What 1979 shows have you heard?
Santa Monica 79.11.18 is as good as any 1980 recording.
There are different sources of it i think, but the one i uploaded
to the Rare Recordings page is an 'A' for sound.
I love the 1980 shows you mentioned, but Santa Monica
is certainly as good as those two shows for sound quality.
It's a shame you need such a pristine near release quality bootleg,
i hope that's not stopped you listening to recordings that aren't
near official quality, there's so many shows rated B and B+ on
LB that are amazing shows. Most of which will never see an official
release.


I've been listening to bootlegs since I was 16, and many are not great in quality. However, as I've got older, I've generally gotten more picky in terms of sound quality. I've given the much lauded 16.11.79 San Francisco show numerous spins, but I find the sound quality very muddy personally. I would also say I've heard very few, if any, audience recordings (certainly from the 70s) that come close in sound quality to what Sony release.


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They don't make Jews like Jesus anymore.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 11:15 GMT 
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Anyhoo , the sample track from the series (when you gonna wake up , July 9 ,1980) takes a very pedestrian , frankly awful track and turns it into a fantastic blistering thing of wonder (the occasional strange sounding backing vocals not withstanding. I think many Dylan fans will find an awful lot to like here. On this particular track (available on spotify ) his vocal delivery is really really good.

i don't like the price (who does ). It is a period when he really was so much better than the official releases of the time would have you believe.


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FieldingMellish wrote:

I think people explaining the pose on the cover as a deliberate nod to crucifixion etc. are reading way, way too much into it. Either way, it's a terrible photo and the cover is a mess. Is it apt that it looks like an amateur bootleg cover? Maybe they should downgrade the sound too, for extra authenticity?

And never mind 'Triplicate', what about the abomination they gave us for 'Tempest'?


Yeah, someone at Sony has really gone downhill with both the photography and fonts being used in their cover designs over the past few years. It doesn't matter to me that much, since half the time I just get the music digitally anyway and I don't particularly care about the packaging, but it is mildly disappointing.

I mean, you look at the packaging for Another Self Portrait, or The Witmark Years, or Tell Tale Signs, and it's a clear drop in design. That said, this problem more generally is not recent in the Dylan camp - look at Modern Times, Tempest, or even the original Bootleg Series. None of those featured particularly well-considered design. I think the good ones are actually rarer - Love & Theft, Together Through Life (sort of), BS 6 - while the poor or middling ones are more frequent. As a guy who is a bit into art design, it's kind of mystifying to me, since there are numerous excellent designers and it doesn't cost that much to get a product that looks classy.

Still, I suspect sales are unaffected, so I don't see the problem going away.


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 13:34 GMT 

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Well, the Trouble No More font could be seen as vintage '70s, good to match the time period. Odd to think the Triplicate font (what's it called?) looks more 'biblical' -- KJV style! They're mixin' it up!


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 13:59 GMT 
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My only complaint is the title, it was a missed opportunity to build continuity among the bootlegg series and should have been called Another Brush with the Lord


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PostPosted: Sat September 23rd, 2017, 14:02 GMT 
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I think people explaining the pose on the cover as a deliberate nod to crucifixion etc. are reading way, way too much into it. Either way, it's a terrible photo and the cover is a mess. Is it apt that it looks like an amateur bootleg cover? Maybe they should downgrade the sound too, for extra authenticity?

And never mind 'Triplicate', what about the abomination they gave us for 'Tempest'?


Well, i don't know about you, maybe the thought just didn't occur to you,
but when i see a man posing with his arms out by his sides, on the cover
of a Gospel album, it didn't take any deep thought to arrive at the notion
that the clever folk at Sony might well have noted the very same thing i did,
and i noted it upon sight of seeing the cover, no deep thought required there.

Regarding quality, its a live album, so a photo of Dylan on stage from the era
of the recordings seems apt. So the concept is quite sound, however things
become subjective when it comes to choice of the photo used, and fonts.
Some may find the fonts garish, others may appreciate them, there's no
right or wrong answer to that i guess.

Thirdly, Triplicate.
Dylan has mentioned in interview (also in the 2001 Italian Press Conference i think)
that he associates certain sounds within music to certain colours, he's not
unique in that, ive met quite a lot of musicians saying the same thing, so it could
well have been at the request of Dylan that they used the colour scheme that we got.
Of course, maybe he had no part to play in the sleeve at all, unless he speaks about
it, then we won't know. The font for the title 'Triplicate' is very Ye Olde English isn't
it, i'm no expert on lettering, and what styles of lettering come from what eras in
history, but it would appear he/label were aiming for simple and classy looking.
Some may agree that's what was achieved, others may hate it.
It is was it is. But i'd be interested to know if the music/colour aspect came
into play here.


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