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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 07:33 GMT 
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gerardv wrote:
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I have no idea why they think that would be a good idea. Cut out the real part and replacement it with a re-enactment.
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This was Bob's idea apparently. The content of the preaching is
different from Dylan's talks, to be sure. From what I heard it's
inspired by one or several black preachers from the 1930s. I can't
really see it myself I must say. Then again, I haven't seen it :)


Whaat? Are you saying that Bob had anything to do with the production of the DVD? That can't be right, can it?


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I'll skip this one, I'm not a fan of the Christian doctrines, I get preached to enough.
Being agnostic I'll have to wait, haven't bought any Bob since Tempest.


I really don't understand this line of thinking. I'm not a christian myself, haven't read the Bible, don't go to church, but Bob singing religious music is still one of the most awesome things ever. Not only does it fit in perfectly with his love for the biblical tale (HI61 on through Modern Times' Aint Talkin) and his own God-like status, but Bob's vocal delivery is perfection itself.
Listen to Yonder Comes Sin or Thief on the Cross and tell me that isn't some of his best work in terms of delivery and sound.

I get goosebumps every time I listen to Santa Monica 79's intro to Slow Train
"I suppose you've been reading the newspapers and watching the teevee? And you see how much trouble this world is in. Madmen running loose everywhere. Anyway we, we're not worried about that though -- it doesn't bother us -- because we know this world is going to be destroyed. Christ will set up his kingdom for a thousand years in Jerusalem where the lion will lie down with the lamb -- we know this is true. No doubt about it. So, it's a slow train coming. It's been coming for a long time, but it's picking up speed."


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 07:42 GMT 

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I'm looking forward to hearing the quality of the '79 recordings. Hope they're decent.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 07:43 GMT 

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Untrodden Path wrote:
If I remember correctly, Do Right to Me, Baby was played prior to the release of Slow Train Coming. For a long time I've said (and posted hERe) that Changing of the Guard, the final song on Street - Legal was a signal that a major shift was coming and then his Christian albums came out and for a year or so he refused to play any of his previous material.

This was planned in advance and he pulled it off. His faith struggles and conversion appear to be over a period of time rather than a sudden, single, transformative event. And I still think there was a woman involved.


Doesn't he sing of 'a long distance train' in Where Are You Tonight? I think his 'faith struggles' began at least as far back as Sign On The Cross.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 09:06 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
Whaat? Are you saying that Bob had anything to do with the production of the DVD? That can't be right, can it?


Yes, in the Variety article. A source in the Dylan camp said that the idea of adding the
preacher doing these sequences came from Bob. It's towards the end of the article.
http://variety.com/2017/music/features/ ... 202564358/


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 09:14 GMT 
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gerardv wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
Whaat? Are you saying that Bob had anything to do with the production of the DVD? That can't be right, can it?


Yes, in the Variety article. A source in the Dylan camp said that the idea of adding the
preacher doing these sequences came from Bob. It's towards the end of the article.
http://variety.com/2017/music/features/ ... 202564358/


I'm flabbergasted...


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 09:47 GMT 
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Anr Bjotk wrote:
I'm flabbergasted...

I don't think it's so unusual. Jennifer Lebeau, I get the impression,
was commissioned by Columbia/Rosen to do this job; as a movie
in its own right, but also as an integral part of the bootleg series.
Dylan Inc would have a big say in the specifics of the project. If
this was an independent movie financed by Lebeau's own company,
then yes you would not expect the artist to have much of a say.

I expect that with the Rolling Thunder movie it would be slightly
different. Scorsese would have a lot more sway.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 12:56 GMT 

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Can we expect more instances being revealed of Dylan being quite hands-on with this release?


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 14:53 GMT 
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Untrodden Path wrote:
If I remember correctly, Do Right to Me, Baby was played prior to the release of Slow Train Coming. For a long time I've said (and posted hERe) that Changing of the Guard, the final song on Street - Legal was a signal that a major shift was coming and then his Christian albums came out and for a year or so he refused to play any of his previous material.

This was planned in advance and he pulled it off. His faith struggles and conversion appear to be over a period of time rather than a sudden, single, transformative event. And I still think there was a woman involved.



Well, back then I used to think *Journey Through Dark Heat* was directed to God, not to a woman/a person.
I wasn't bilingual those days but I've never thought otherwise.

And, speaking of which, I've always considered both Street-Legal and Infidels as *Christian* albums.
At least they are imbued with religious spirituality as much as Shot Of Love.
Only Slow Train is more orthodox and, obviously, so is Saved.
Theologically speaking, Saved is the only real *New Born Christian* album.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 16:22 GMT 
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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Untrodden Path wrote:
If I remember correctly, Do Right to Me, Baby was played prior to the release of Slow Train Coming. For a long time I've said (and posted hERe) that Changing of the Guard, the final song on Street - Legal was a signal that a major shift was coming and then his Christian albums came out and for a year or so he refused to play any of his previous material.

This was planned in advance and he pulled it off. His faith struggles and conversion appear to be over a period of time rather than a sudden, single, transformative event. And I still think there was a woman involved.



Well, back then I used to think *Journey Through Dark Heat* was directed to God, not to a woman/a person.
I wasn't bilingual those days but I've never thought otherwise.

And, speaking of which, I've always considered both Street-Legal and Infidels as *Christian* albums.
At least they are imbued with religious spirituality as much as Shot Of Love.
Only Slow Train is more orthodox and, obviously, so is Saved.
Theologically speaking, Saved is the only real *New Born Christian* album.


I agree with this - And really, theology shows up as subject matter throughout his career at least as often as death, rivers, roads, love, truth, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 17:02 GMT 
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summerteeth wrote:
Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Well, back then I used to think *Journey Through Dark Heat* was directed to God, not to a woman/a person.
I wasn't bilingual those days but I've never thought otherwise.

And, speaking of which, I've always considered both Street-Legal and Infidels as *Christian* albums.
At least they are imbued with religious spirituality as much as Shot Of Love.
Only Slow Train is more orthodox and, obviously, so is Saved.
Theologically speaking, Saved is the only real *New Born Christian* album.


I agree with this - And really, theology shows up as subject matter throughout his career at least as often as death, rivers, roads, love, truth, etc.


Yes.
There are few Dylan's periods/albums which are devoid of religious connotations.
(I don't mean just spiritual, I mean religious).

Maybe just the period before the motorcycle accident.
(and with some exceptions, too)


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 19:20 GMT 

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In my opinion Dylan's most overtly spiritual albums are;

John Wesley Harding
New Morning
Street-legal
Slow Train Coming
Saved
Shot of Love
Infidels
Tempest

And I'd agree that Saved and Slow Train are the only truly religious albums. Shot of Love, with a couple of exceptions, feels way more ambiguous and accessible than its predecessors. It definitely has more in common with Infidels than with Saved to my ears. Especially when you consider some of the outtakes. It really does break free from Christianity and explores big themes in a far broader way. Should have been up there with his best if he'd been a little more selective with the tracks.


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 19:29 GMT 
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gerardv wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
I'm flabbergasted...

I don't think it's so unusual. Jennifer Lebeau, I get the impression,
was commissioned by Columbia/Rosen to do this job; as a movie
in its own right, but also as an integral part of the bootleg series.
Dylan Inc would have a big say in the specifics of the project. If
this was an independent movie financed by Lebeau's own company,
then yes you would not expect the artist to have much of a say.

I expect that with the Rolling Thunder movie it would be slightly
different. Scorsese would have a lot more sway.


Well, ovbiously Columbia was involved, no one is doubting that, but that Bob himself came down from the mountain to utter any monosyllabic opinion on the project is flabbergasting. You'd think he cared. You'd think he actually showed any interest or emotion...


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PostPosted: Tue October 10th, 2017, 19:59 GMT 

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gerardv wrote:
Anr Bjotk wrote:
Whaat? Are you saying that Bob had anything to do with the production of the DVD? That can't be right, can it?


Yes, in the Variety article. A source in the Dylan camp said that the idea of adding the
preacher doing these sequences came from Bob. It's towards the end of the article.
http://variety.com/2017/music/features/ ... 202564358/

also, luc sante said the topics were assigned by dylan
https://mobile.twitter.com/luxante/stat ... 2994990081


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 04:50 GMT 

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Can't wait. Keeping the faith it's a "home run" of a release.


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 08:25 GMT 

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I'm on the fence about getting this release.

The only album I ever listened enough to be its fan during Dylan's gospel era is Slow Train Comin'(I dig everything about it) and this release appears to have a bunch of live performance of the songs from that one.

If the performances are on the same level as the Rolling Thunder Revue live album or even Budokan, I'd get it in a heartbeat. But, this time, I'm not very sure, so I think I'll wait until they put its 'sampler' on Spotify anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 10:54 GMT 
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Luc Sante tweeted that these sermons come directly from bob, so these are penned by bob?


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 10:58 GMT 
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escapeedrifter wrote:
Luc Sante tweeted that these sermons come directly from bob, so these are penned by bob?

Link?

Wouldn't be surprised if Bob penned them and hid behind another name, but to hide behind his name — a well known writer — seems bizarre.


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 13:37 GMT 
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Open your eyes man its 3 post above mine :D

https://mobile.twitter.com/luxante/stat ... 2994990081

On 2nd read i think he means blob gave him the topics to follow on each sermon. Thats kinda strange, wonder how bob would do if anyone told him what to write about.


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 15:06 GMT 
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New song "Making a Liar Out of Me" at Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... me-w507517


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 15:30 GMT 
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the3penguins wrote:
New song "Making a Liar Out of Me" at Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... me-w507517


Nice. Sounds a touch Rolling Stones ?


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 15:55 GMT 

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The Bard wrote:
the3penguins wrote:
New song "Making a Liar Out of Me" at Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... me-w507517


Nice. Sounds a touch Rolling Stones ?


You Can't always get what you want

See my post here on SH formum

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/b ... t-17337533


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 16:44 GMT 
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I like it, especially the words. It's musically not very dynamic,
You Can't Always Get definitely works better. Just amazing how
a tune with so many arresting lyrical images would get discarded
so easily.


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 17:09 GMT 
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It's clearly half-baked and unfinished - but it's also INCREDIBLE. Dylan's best when he's got half a great song and is trying to make the other half up on the spot - see 'I'm Not There (1956). It's clearly a rip off of You Can't Always Get What You Want, but the Stones themselves were ripping off the Muscle Shoals gospel groove anyway, so it's a totally authentic sound for Bob to be reaching for in Muscle Shoals. Great stuff!


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 17:24 GMT 
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the3penguins wrote:
New song "Making a Liar Out of Me" at Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premi ... me-w507517


The Rolling Stones article won't play the video (region blocked, even with Hola Unblocker at my disposal). I paid 200+$ for the darn thing, but I'd still love to hear it beforehand. Has it been posted anywhere else? ... :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed October 11th, 2017, 17:29 GMT 
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http://liveforlivemusic.com/news/bob-dylan-making-liar/

Maybe this works for you?

It's an INCREDIBLE song!! :D :D :D


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