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Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 01:04 GMT ]
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I'm friends with someone who LOVES the ground Neil Young
walks on, but she say's she can't stand Dylan.
I asked what she'd heard, turns out that she only
really knows 'Freewheelin', 'Times Are A Changin', and 'Another Side;,
plus acoustic songs from 'Bring It All Back Home'.
So basically dislikes arguably the finest songs Bobs ever wrote.
I told her to check him out properly on Spotify to which
i was told 'don't know where to start, you do me a playlist'.

I wish i'd kept my mouth shut because ive zero idea what to put
on a playlist to properly introduce his electric work.
If it was just albums she wanted to hear i would go for
'Blood On The Tracks' and 'Blonde On Blonde'.
But its an actual playlist of tracks from each album.
Any help much appreciated, Neil Young is good, but Dylan is great,
so i'm keen to send some kind of list so she is converted to his Bobness.

Author:  Jordan [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 01:14 GMT ]
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I'd say include a lot of tracks from Desire or the RTR bootleg series album.

Author:  Vic333 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 01:22 GMT ]
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What does she like about Neil Young? That might give you some idea how to put together a playlist.

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Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 01:28 GMT ]
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Vic333 wrote:
What does she like about Neil Young? That might give you some idea how to put together a playlist.

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She's always got 'Harvest', 'Comes A Time' and 'Rust Never Sleeps' on Vic.
Maybe Harvest = New Morning & Blood on the tracks songs?
What she's after is a few songs that best represent each album and my
taste isn't to be trusted, i prefer Street Legal to Desire so i'm looking
for help based on what in general would be considered the best two
songs off each album, you know, that best represent each album

Author:  mystic garden [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 02:43 GMT ]
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I think Biograph would be the best and most all-rounded introduction to the first 25 years of Dylan's work that you could give her, and you wouldn't have to spend the time and effort making your own; if there's any songs missing that you consider essential, just throw them in.

Author:  Nightingale's Code [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 03:19 GMT ]
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Just hand her Blood On The Tracks. No better playlist around.

If she's really adamant about it not being a studio album, I guess Biograph would be the way to go.

Author:  smoke [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 03:28 GMT ]
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The Hard Rain album is about the closest Dylan comes to sounding like Crazy Horse. Biograph is a good idea but, seriously, if she doesn't like side 2 of Bringing It All Back Home you may want to ask why are you friends with this person. If they have qualities other than musical taste which you admire and you really want to reach them, the best thing to do would be to find out what they did like about what they've heard and for more specifics on what they didn't like. Maybe this would give you an idea what to use.

OR

Just give them:
Blonde on Blonde
Blood on the Tracks
Oh Mercy
Love and Theft

Author:  smoke [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 03:31 GMT ]
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LibraChild1980 wrote:

She's always got 'Harvest', 'Comes A Time' and 'Rust Never Sleeps' on Vic.
Maybe Harvest = New Morning & Blood on the tracks songs?
What she's after is a few songs that best represent each album and my
taste isn't to be trusted, i prefer Street Legal to Desire so i'm looking
for help based on what in general would be considered the best two
songs off each album, you know, that best represent each album


Greatest Hits Vol 3 does a pretty good job with more or less 1 song per album (from Pat Garrett to UTRS). It flows really nicely and maintains a high standard throughout (not hard, really).

Author:  Nightingale's Code [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 03:36 GMT ]
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The 'Essential Bob Dylan' that came out in the early 2000's is a decent one too for spanning his career. 30 tracks from 19 albums, including a few non-album songs too (Positively 4th Street, I Shall Be Released, Things Have Changed, etc).

Author:  lovethatcountrypie [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 03:52 GMT ]
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
I'm friends with someone who LOVES the ground Neil Young
walks on, but she say's she can't stand Dylan.
I asked what she'd heard, turns out that she only
really knows 'Freewheelin', 'Times Are A Changin', and 'Another Side;,
plus acoustic songs from 'Bring It All Back Home'.
So basically dislikes arguably the finest songs Bobs ever wrote.
I told her to check him out properly on Spotify to which
i was told 'don't know where to start, you do me a playlist'.

I wish i'd kept my mouth shut because ive zero idea what to put
on a playlist to properly introduce his electric work.
If it was just albums she wanted to hear i would go for
'Blood On The Tracks' and 'Blonde On Blonde'.
But its an actual playlist of tracks from each album.
Any help much appreciated, Neil Young is good, but Dylan is great,
so i'm keen to send some kind of list so she is converted to his Bobness.


I'm completely the opposite. I find Neil Young's dreadful voice unbearable and his songwriting to be mediocre...

Author:  Vic333 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 12:27 GMT ]
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Biograph does sound like a good idea. It's pretty comprehensive (up to the time, anyway) and it's what got me into Dylan. Or, at least interested enough to want to check out the albums. H61 and Blood on the Tracks got me hooked.

I was a huge Neil fan at the time. I gradually just listened to more and more Bob, and less and less Neil. Now, wow, I can't really remember the last time I had a desire to put on any Neil Young. But, at the time, Harvest and Rust Never Sleeps were my go to albums.

Author:  bloodblondehighwayhome [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 13:07 GMT ]
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What is it she doesn't LIKE about the greatest songwriter and performer of all time? In case it's his early voice, I'd probably give her some Blonde On Blonde, Nashville Skyline, Another Self Portrait, Blood On The Tracks, Desire and Live 1975 to listen to. Otherwise I'd vote for some kind of compilation spanning every decade from 1965 on. Then you can tell her if she likes "Most of the Time", for example, to go and listen to Oh Mercy and Time Out Of Mind plus the various brilliant outtakes. If neither way can convince her, I shall pity the poor fool deeply. :cry:

Author:  bloodblondehighwayhome [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 13:34 GMT ]
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Of course, your friend could also be one of the "He is a genius but I prefer his songs when interpreted by others" type (like my neighbour) :roll: in that case I'd say there's more than enough cover versions and whole albums out there, obviously. Hope you'll be successful!

Author:  tensteel [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 15:34 GMT ]
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Compile your favorites, not a greatest hits list or our favorites. Bob is unique and to find the most Youngish sounding tracks is futile. Trust yourself.

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 17:35 GMT ]
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Thanks everyone for the help, i think i'll go with Biograph, i completely
agree that trying to find songs like the way Neil Young sounds is futile,
as much as i like some of Young's music, he doesn't come close to Dylan.
Looking at the mixture that's on Biograph if she doesn't like anything from
that collection, then Dylan isn't for her.
I didn't want to send her a mixture of my favourite songs because i love
all his early solo acoustic music and i'd find it hard not putting
To Ramona, Mr Tambourine man, Its Alright Ma and, well pretty much
everything from 'The Times Are A Changin' on a list.
So Biograph it is. :)

Author:  Giuseppe Gazerro [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 17:44 GMT ]
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mystic garden wrote:
I think Biograph would be the best and most all-rounded introduction to the first 25 years of Dylan's work that you could give her, and you wouldn't have to spend the time and effort making your own; if there's any songs missing that you consider essential, just throw them in.


Biograph; that's it!
I'd definitely add Hurricane and Jokerman, though.

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 17:45 GMT ]
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lovethatcountrypie wrote:
LibraChild1980 wrote:
I'm friends with someone who LOVES the ground Neil Young
walks on, but she say's she can't stand Dylan.
I asked what she'd heard, turns out that she only
really knows 'Freewheelin', 'Times Are A Changin', and 'Another Side;,
plus acoustic songs from 'Bring It All Back Home'.
So basically dislikes arguably the finest songs Bobs ever wrote.
I told her to check him out properly on Spotify to which
i was told 'don't know where to start, you do me a playlist'.

I wish i'd kept my mouth shut because ive zero idea what to put
on a playlist to properly introduce his electric work.
If it was just albums she wanted to hear i would go for
'Blood On The Tracks' and 'Blonde On Blonde'.
But its an actual playlist of tracks from each album.
Any help much appreciated, Neil Young is good, but Dylan is great,
so i'm keen to send some kind of list so she is converted to his Bobness.


I'm completely the opposite. I find Neil Young's dreadful voice unbearable and his songwriting to be mediocre...


I had this conversation with her, mainly regarding Dylan and Young's lyrical differences.
Dylan is a poet who sometimes writes great songs, Young is a songwriter who sometimes
writes good songs, or at least that's how i'd define the two.

Author:  A Merry Llama [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 17:52 GMT ]
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I think tell tale signs is one of the easiest sells ever.

Author:  My Echo, My Shadow And Me [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 18:50 GMT ]
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
I'm friends with someone who LOVES the ground Neil Young
walks on, but she say's she can't stand Dylan.
I asked what she'd heard, turns out that she only
really knows 'Freewheelin', 'Times Are A Changin', and 'Another Side;,
plus acoustic songs from 'Bring It All Back Home'.
So basically dislikes arguably the finest songs Bobs ever wrote.
I told her to check him out properly on Spotify to which
i was told 'don't know where to start, you do me a playlist'.

I wish i'd kept my mouth shut because ive zero idea what to put
on a playlist to properly introduce his electric work.
If it was just albums she wanted to hear i would go for
'Blood On The Tracks' and 'Blonde On Blonde'.
But its an actual playlist of tracks from each album.
Any help much appreciated, Neil Young is good, but Dylan is great,
so i'm keen to send some kind of list so she is converted to his Bobness.


Just play her two of the greatest things Dylan has recorded:

A) the "Oh Mercy" album
B) the song "Blind Willie McTell" (from "The Bootleg Series Vol. 1–3")

Those two usually catch people off guard, because they simply do not expect that kind of greatness.

Don't play the "classics".

Author:  Nightingale's Code [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 19:02 GMT ]
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My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
Just play her two of the greatest things Dylan has recorded:

A) the "Oh Mercy" album

I disagree strongly here. If the first things I ever heard from Dylan were Political World, Where Teardrops Fall, and Everything Is Broken all in a row, I'd probably never return to him. It's a horrible start to a great album.

Author:  My Echo, My Shadow And Me [ Tue August 29th, 2017, 19:09 GMT ]
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Nightingale's Code wrote:
My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
Just play her two of the greatest things Dylan has recorded:

A) the "Oh Mercy" album

I disagree strongly here. If the first things I ever heard from Dylan were Political World, Where Teardrops Fall, and Everything Is Broken all in a row, I'd probably never return to him. It's a horrible start to a great album.


The people I converted by giving them "Oh Mercy" CDs see it differently.

Author:  Neilyoungfan [ Wed August 30th, 2017, 02:57 GMT ]
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Saw this thread and it motivated me to create an account.

Sticking to your original question without judging/comparing Neil to Bob (which I'll do later), my recommended playlist would be:

Like a Rolling Stone
Positively 4th Street
It's alright Ma (Before the Flood version)
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
Tangled Up In Blue
Desolation Row
Tombstone Blues
Subterranean Homesick Blues
Ballad of a Thin Man
Don't Think Twice It's Allright
Forever Young (Neil)
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Shelter From the Storm
It Ain't Me Babe
Hurricane

I'm ignoring much of his great early acoustic work as it sounds like your friend has already mined that territory. I have a feeling she'll never be converted if she's not a fan of brilliant early acoustic period, but give it a shot. Generally speaking, most Neil fans are also Dylan fans, so don't judge us all by her reaction(s).

"Take my advice
don't listen to me"
NY--Hippie Dream '86

Author:  wormington [ Wed August 30th, 2017, 10:18 GMT ]
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Nightingale's Code wrote:
My Echo, My Shadow And Me wrote:
Just play her two of the greatest things Dylan has recorded:

A) the "Oh Mercy" album

I disagree strongly here. If the first things I ever heard from Dylan were Political World, Where Teardrops Fall, and Everything Is Broken all in a row, I'd probably never return to him. It's a horrible start to a great album.

Why would anyone be put off after listening to those 3 super tight, magical tunes, Nightingale? That does not compute...

Author:  McG [ Wed August 30th, 2017, 10:49 GMT ]
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Christmas In The Heart. But only in February.

Author:  Untrodden Path [ Wed August 30th, 2017, 11:13 GMT ]
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^I would say Christmas In the Heart year around but that's just me.

If your friend is unable to appreciate the beauty and the wonder that is Christmas In the Heart, it may be time to find a new friend.

And to further answer the question, most anything from the NET up through Spring 2005. Forget anything on a studio album if he's played it live during the NET. The studio albums have been rendered second rate by the NET standards.

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