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Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 14:07 GMT ]
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Since next year will be the 30th year that Dylan's been touring every year,
i think it'd be a great time for Sony to put out a 2 part box-set of the tour.
One good way they could go about this, is to release 30 shows on each 2CD
release, two shows from each year, and have 15 2CD's in each box-set.
It'd be expensive, but i'd buy it.

Author:  McG [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 15:39 GMT ]
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They must release every last second of every last performance, in a 12 dimensional hologrammatic fangasm-o-soundboard deluxe mansion sized boxset. Then we can all move into it and live together as one, finally. Even the mods.

Author:  yopietro [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 17:24 GMT ]
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Hope it comes with holographic tomatoes to throw for the Sinatra stuff.

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 22:12 GMT ]
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McG wrote:
They must release every last second of every last performance, in a 12 dimensional hologrammatic fangasm-o-soundboard deluxe mansion sized boxset. Then we can all move into it and live together as one, finally. Even the mods.


:lol:

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 22:30 GMT ]
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I do hope the shows with the Grateful Dead aren't shined up
and released, the original album was the ONLY Dylan album
i never ever put on. Those shows were not properly rehearsed,
Dylan's phrasing is all over the place, and Garcia sounds like
he's playing at a different concert happening in a different universe.
There's maybe 4, 5 songs at most from the handful of shows
that i can tolerate. Compared to The Heartbreakers Temples In Flames
that same year...well there is no comparison.

Author:  dylanswife [ Fri August 25th, 2017, 23:17 GMT ]
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
I do hope the shows with the Grateful Dead aren't shined up
and released, the original album was the ONLY Dylan album
i never ever put on. Those shows were not properly rehearsed,
Dylan's phrasing is all over the place, and Garcia sounds like
he's playing at a different concert happening in a different universe.
There's maybe 4, 5 songs at most from the handful of shows
that i can tolerate. Compared to The Heartbreakers Temples In Flames
that same year...well there is no comparison.


Some of the rehearsals aren't bad, though many aren't complete. Always preferred them to the live shows. A friend of mine went to see TGD and when Bob performed he said it was the worst thing he'd ever seen. To this day he hasn't given Bob a second shot.

Author:  Sluggy [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 02:23 GMT ]
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Wouldn't 2016 have been the 30th anniversary of Bob's yearly touring?

Cheers, SLuggy

Author:  The Bard [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 04:02 GMT ]
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McG wrote:
They must release every last second of every last performance, in a 12 dimensional hologrammatic fangasm-o-soundboard deluxe mansion sized boxset. Then we can all move into it and live together as one, finally. Even the mods.


If the mods like it, you can be sure that the rockers won't.

Author:  dvdunplugged [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 06:14 GMT ]
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LibraChild1980 wrote:
Since next year will be the 30th year that Dylan's been touring every year,
i think it'd be a great time for Sony to put out a 2 part box-set of the tour.
One good way they could go about this, is to release 30 shows on each 2CD
release, two shows from each year, and have 15 2CD's in each box-set.
It'd be expensive, but i'd buy it.

I like that idea, but as it would be out of reach financially for a lot of fans there would have to be a 2CD 'best show' package! (without tomatoes, real or otherwise)

Author:  BobDylan66 [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 15:24 GMT ]
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The best way to celebrate the NET is to release every concert. A fun way will be like Springsteen does. A proper website with the tapes listed and you order either a download of the show in good quality (flac, 48, 96 or 192 khz) or a physical limited release. For me, the by the mail order is the best way to go. It gives that old feeling of trading bootlegs.

Bob started that industry so let's celebrate it that way :mrgreen:

Author:  workingmanblues [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 15:51 GMT ]
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BobDylan66 wrote:
The best way to celebrate the NET is to release every concert. A fun way will be like Springsteen does. A proper website with the tapes listed and you order either a download of the show in good quality (flac, 48, 96 or 192 khz) or a physical limited release. For me, the by the mail order is the best way to go. It gives that old feeling of trading bootlegs.

Bob started that industry so let's celebrate it that way :mrgreen:


I don't like paying $25 for cd-r discs so I would probably just download them. A curated box like the op sounds nice. 2 shows per year in a big box with a small book. $250 sounds about right.

Author:  seg [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 17:08 GMT ]
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They could wrap this in bacon and I still wouldn't buy it. Bring on the God Bob set already!!

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 21:18 GMT ]
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Sluggy wrote:
Wouldn't 2016 have been the 30th anniversary of Bob's yearly touring?

Cheers, SLuggy


Yes, that's correct, he did the Petty Tour in 86, and the Grateful Dead Stadium
shows and the Temple In Flames tour in 87.
I think it's because since 1988 Dylan has had his own band that evolved over the years,
and that the 86/87 tours were with major rock bands, not with his own group.
It's a good point though, factually he has played shows every year since 1986.

Author:  BobDylan66 [ Sat August 26th, 2017, 23:12 GMT ]
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Sluggy wrote:
Wouldn't 2016 have been the 30th anniversary of Bob's yearly touring?

Cheers, SLuggy


Factually correct, but should we really consider the shows with Petty or the Dead to be part of NET? Certainly not.
First they are his worst concerts (especially the Dead ones, and even the rehearsals can save them for me). The venues he played (huge stadiums) were in no way adapted to his style and most of the time the sound system wasn't adapted either.
Second, Bob himself recognised he lost it during those years (he said he got it back in 1987 in Locarno, but I don't think it was really the case before 1988). I also read an interview (don't remember where), in which he stated he dislikes the tour with Petty because he was disappointed in his own capacity. Petty however liked those shows because it brought the band closer. For the Grateful Dead, I think the tapes speak for themselves.
And finally, as LibraChild wrote, Bob had his own band in 1988 (not counting the Wilburys) so that marks the real start of his comeback and the whole mythology about the NET for me.

Author:  Sluggy [ Sun August 27th, 2017, 00:30 GMT ]
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BobDylan66 wrote:
Sluggy wrote:
Wouldn't 2016 have been the 30th anniversary of Bob's yearly touring?

Cheers, SLuggy


Factually correct, but should we really consider the shows with Petty or the Dead to be part of NET? Certainly not.
First they are his worst concerts (especially the Dead ones, and even the rehearsals can save them for me). The venues he played (huge stadiums) were in no way adapted to his style and most of the time the sound system wasn't adapted either.
Second, Bob himself recognised he lost it during those years (he said he got it back in 1987 in Locarno, but I don't think it was really the case before 1988). I also read an interview (don't remember where), in which he stated he dislikes the tour with Petty because he was disappointed in his own capacity. Petty however liked those shows because it brought the band closer. For the Grateful Dead, I think the tapes speak for themselves.
And finally, as LibraChild wrote, Bob had his own band in 1988 (not counting the Wilburys) so that marks the real start of his comeback and the whole mythology about the NET for me.


The Temples in Flames tour is certainly not one of his worse. There's plenty of NET shows that couldn't hold a candle to some of these shows. I think you're buying into the mythology of the NET a little too much. It's when Bob went from having a tight established band (TP) to a group of hired hands that Bob tried to get as cheaply as possible. See GE Smith's departure and the infamous 'I don't give a shit who plays bass' sagas.

Cheers, SLuggy

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Sun August 27th, 2017, 04:12 GMT ]
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These Wiki pages document the tours pretty well;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Ending_Tour_1988

In Dylan's Chronicles book he claims to have decided to retire after the Temples In Flames Tour,
but said that during the show in Switzerland he felt re-energised.
After the tour Dylan asked his then manager Elliot Roberts to book him 200 shows for the following
year and that he wanted a band of his own to spend an extended amount of years on the
road with, Roberts initially advised Dylan wait 3 years, but Dylan writes that he wasn't
wanting nor expecting to draw stadium or Arena crowds ''i was just above a club act'' he wrote.
He wanted to start all over again, not be part of huge tours with big names just to fill his bank
account and large venues.
So when Roberts got him G.E.Smith and booked venues from 3000 to 15,000 (sometimes more)
for the 70 odd shows Dylan played in '88, it was the start of what Dylan described as plying his trade
every year, to build a new audience and to get inside the songs again.
That he saw the 1987 and the 1988 shows on-wards as fundamentally different is clear in his book.
He dislikes the NET term because he says the tour will obviously end someday, maybe he's supersticious
who knows, but yep, the tours he did up to '88 were all named, themed and had a purpose ie
new material to promote, or to earn money, everything from '88 till today is Dylan doing what he
considers to be his job.

Author:  BobDylan66 [ Sun August 27th, 2017, 13:01 GMT ]
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Sluggy wrote:

The Temples in Flames tour is certainly not one of his worse. There's plenty of NET shows that couldn't hold a candle to some of these shows. I think you're buying into the mythology of the NET a little too much. It's when Bob went from having a tight established band (TP) to a group of hired hands that Bob tried to get as cheaply as possible. See GE Smith's departure and the infamous 'I don't give a shit who plays bass' sagas.

Cheers, SLuggy


I agree for Temples in Flames, I was thinking more about True Confessions and the shows with the Dead. You're right in saying the NET is sometimes a mixed bag, but overall it is way better than those two tours in my opinion.

Author:  tendril [ Wed September 6th, 2017, 23:47 GMT ]
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Since they have the setlists all nicely laid out on the website, I always thought it would be great if they added a download button on each setlist page where they have a recording of the concert. If you want to buy one show it could be a similar cost to an iTunes album download. But, if you want to buy more shows (e.g., 10, 50, or 100) there could be a volume discount, so the cost per show is lower. A curated collection of concerts would also be fantastic, as it would be a good way to hear the best of the best from the past 30 years of concerts.

Author:  Md23Rewls [ Thu September 7th, 2017, 00:15 GMT ]
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I'm sure they'll release something in 20 years or so. There's no reason to believe they would do it now.

Author:  LibraChild1980 [ Thu September 7th, 2017, 00:33 GMT ]
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Md23Rewls wrote:
I'm sure they'll release something in 20 years or so. There's no reason to believe they would do it now.


I hope they release it before i'm 57. Dylan would be 97 by then.
I don't see why they couldn't release a deluxe package for each
year with either selected performances making up a few concerts
worth or actually putting two full shows out per year from 1988
on-wards. But for live packages, they still have the 1978 tour
to properly address, i hope the fact they're releasing the Gospel
music doesn't mean they're skipping the 1978 USA part of that
tour, he played some amazing concerts in the US in '78.

Author:  chester drawers [ Thu September 7th, 2017, 02:17 GMT ]
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The unofficially recognized beginning of the unofficial "Never Ending Tour", is
June 7th, 1988, in Concord, California.....unofficially.

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