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PostPosted: Wed March 29th, 2017, 11:54 GMT 
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The Bob Dylan archive in Tulsa has released a finding aid which lists everything it contains. Sadly, items after 1989 are still being processed, but there are still many exciting surprises.

- Dylan wrote a song called 'Mavis' in 1965, presumably for Mavis Staples.
- There are loads of lyrics still unreleased from the 67-69 period. Lots from other periods too.
- Drifting Too Far From The Shore was first written in 1969
- They have a copy of Pennebaker's cut of Eat The Document.
- There's an hour and a half of footage of Dylan recording New Morning and an hour of footage from the basement tapes.
- Bob's a voracious diarist, letter writer and note keeper, so there are loads of notepads and letters.
- Bob Dylan and Keith Richards were still communicating by fax in 2007.
- Instead of listing all of Bob's recording sessions, they just link to Olof's site!

It'll be fascinating to see what's in the archive from TOOM onwards.

Please can someone give me research funding so I can look at all this stuff? :mrgreen:

Here's the link to the full finding aid - http://bobdylanarchive.com/wp-content/u ... h-2017.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed March 29th, 2017, 13:20 GMT 

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gibsona07 wrote:
- Drifting Too Far From The Shore was first written in 1969


I doubt it. What this document shows is that Box 34, Folder 08, contains the lyrics to a song with a similar title: "Untitled (You're Drifting Away from Shore)," along with the lyrics to a number of Nashville Skyline songs. It's a big leap to assume that it's the same song as "Drifting Too Far from Shore." The same phrase (more or less) had already been used in the gospel standard "You're Drifting Too Far from Shore," and it's easy to imagine it coming to mind at different times in Dylan's life as a good phrase to base a song on. It's also possible he just wrote down the lyrics to the old song--other folders have the lyrics of songs he covered


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PostPosted: Thu March 30th, 2017, 06:02 GMT 
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That even the official Dylan Archive can't give a more detailed list of all the recording sessions than Olof's site tells a lot about the great job Olof Björner has dome over the years.
This is sort of an official acknowledgement of his fantastic work.


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PostPosted: Thu March 30th, 2017, 14:33 GMT 
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WrittenInMySoul wrote:
This is sort of an official acknowledgement of his fantastic work.

+1


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 15:27 GMT 
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New article in Rolling Stone, some incredible stuff, including the original handwritten lyrics for High Water.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featu ... ok-w489787


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 15:47 GMT 
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A letter from George Harrison, outtakes from Renaldo & Clara, the contents of his wallet...

SOMEBODY LOOK FOR THE I´M COLD SESSIONS, FOR CHRIST´S SAKE!!!


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 15:49 GMT 
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gibsona07 wrote:
- Instead of listing all of Bob's recording sessions, they just link to Olof's site!


:lol:



& this all looks Wonderful :D


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 15:50 GMT 
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A letter from George Harrison, outtakes from Renaldo & Clara, the contents of his wallet...

SOMEBODY LOOK FOR THE I´M COLD SESSIONS, FOR CHRIST´S SAKE!!!


:lol:


& anything having to do with SLC


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 16:24 GMT 
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JWH outtakes!


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 17:27 GMT 
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mojofilter wrote:
gibsona07 wrote:
- Drifting Too Far From The Shore was first written in 1969


I doubt it. What this document shows is that Box 34, Folder 08, contains the lyrics to a song with a similar title: "Untitled (You're Drifting Away from Shore)," along with the lyrics to a number of Nashville Skyline songs. It's a big leap to assume that it's the same song as "Drifting Too Far from Shore." The same phrase (more or less) had already been used in the gospel standard "You're Drifting Too Far from Shore," and it's easy to imagine it coming to mind at different times in Dylan's life as a good phrase to base a song on. It's also possible he just wrote down the lyrics to the old song--other folders have the lyrics of songs he covered



Agreed. The version from Knocked Out Loaded has "whore" in it. I doubt Bob would have written that in 1969. It's a popular old folk song.


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 18:48 GMT 
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JWH outtakes!



"To guard against bootlegging, the archive will maintain the audio files on a secure, offline network accessible only by three computer terminals at the library. Employees are still in the process of transferring many of the audio files, though they do have John Wesley Harding outtakes that have never been heard by fans. A click on the first take of "As I Went Out One Morning" reveals a drastically slowed-down, dirge-like rendition of the song."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featu ... ok-w489787

Surely, it will be a tragedy if the outtakes are not released in some form.


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 18:57 GMT 

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They have to release the JWH outtakes by end of this year, right? A copyright extension / 50th anniversary collection should hit the streets in December, or maybe on a deluxe BS13 as some have speculated.
Gospel bootleg series AND JWH outtakes, what a great Autumn!


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 19:13 GMT 

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As they have never been bootlegged they don't "need" to release them, as they can just sit in the vault in Tulsa. No one has the ability to do a public domain release, so there is no copyright challenge they would need to raise.

Of course, they should just do it anyway so people could, you know, actually listen to them 50 years later and they could actually make some money on it. Sort of how it is supposed to work.


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 19:14 GMT 
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henningk wrote:
They have to release the JWH outtakes by end of this year, right? A copyright extension / 50th anniversary collection should hit the streets in December, or maybe on a deluxe BS13 as some have speculated.
Gospel bootleg series AND JWH outtakes, what a great Autumn!


They don't have to release them this year, although it would protect the copyright if they were to do so, obviously. Previously in Rolling Stone it was reported that a source close to Bob indicated that JWH outtakes would not be released in any form because the bootleggers had never got their hands on them. If that statement proves to be correct it will be a tragedy, I think.

Of course, it's still possible that the outtakes could be officially released after this year in a sumptuous package; it just means the EU copyright will have expired and the songs can be re-issued ad infinitum by every Tom, Dick, and Harry. Might happen...


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PostPosted: Tue June 27th, 2017, 19:39 GMT 
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Nah, surely if at all Bob, Inc will do so in a commercially sensical way --- that is, not when there is no copyright protection.

And no, this will not be released as part of a deluxe gospel edition --- I'm thinking that not at all is what's in mind.


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Interesting that the "Sinner's Prayer" hung around until If You Ever Go to Houston.


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PostPosted: Wed June 28th, 2017, 09:20 GMT 
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Can anybody make out the 'James Joyce' scribble on the High Water lyrics? I would love to see that all typed, looks like so much going on there...

It's on the 3rd verse 2 lines down


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pol2jem wrote:
henningk wrote:
They have to release the JWH outtakes by end of this year, right? A copyright extension / 50th anniversary collection should hit the streets in December, or maybe on a deluxe BS13 as some have speculated.
Gospel bootleg series AND JWH outtakes, what a great Autumn!


They don't have to release them this year, although it would protect the copyright if they were to do so, obviously. Previously in Rolling Stone it was reported that a source close to Bob indicated that JWH outtakes would not be released in any form because the bootleggers had never got their hands on them. If that statement proves to be correct it will be a tragedy, I think.

Of course, it's still possible that the outtakes could be officially released after this year in a sumptuous package; it just means the EU copyright will have expired and the songs can be re-issued ad infinitum by every Tom, Dick, and Harry. Might happen...


Was JWH not recorded in 3 days songs taking about a max of 3 takes? as much as i would love to hear them i cant imagine there being much there. At first i was really looking forward to hearing the JWH sessions but after thinking about it im not sure it would live up to the hype, i would still rather a 1979-1981 set like the BS13, a 2 disk,6 disk and a mammoth for us that love that period, addition downloadable content would be a great bonus as well.


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PostPosted: Wed June 28th, 2017, 13:19 GMT 
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WrittenInMySoul wrote:
That even the official Dylan Archive can't give a more detailed list of all the recording sessions than Olof's site tells a lot about the great job Olof Björner has dome over the years.
This is sort of an official acknowledgement of his fantastic work.

For sure!


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wormington wrote:
A letter from George Harrison, outtakes from Renaldo & Clara, the contents of his wallet...

SOMEBODY LOOK FOR THE I´M COLD SESSIONS, FOR CHRIST´S SAKE!!!


Im starting to doubt the cold sessions/recordings ever existed, although confirmation of a recording of salt lake city would be outstanding


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Philly joe Remarkable wrote:
Can anybody make out the 'James Joyce' scribble on the High Water lyrics? I would love to see that all typed, looks like so much going on there...

It's on the 3rd verse 2 lines down


I read it as "James Joyce just walked in the door like he'd been <?> <in the?> wind."

The word I can't make out is written right over another word. After it, what looks like a capital L is probably Dylan's version of a caret, meaning the two short words just above should be inserted. I'm only guessing that those words are "in the," though that would make sense. I'm pretty sure the last word is "wind"--you can compare it to the two time he wrote that word just above. And it rhymes with the first line, "tryin to suck you in."


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PostPosted: Sat July 1st, 2017, 07:51 GMT 
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gibsona07 wrote:
- They have a copy of Pennebaker's cut of Eat The Document.
- There's an hour and a half of footage of Dylan recording New Morning and an hour of footage from the basement tapes.


This stuff makes me drool. I wish they'd go down either the Neil Young Archives route; or, better still, the Bruce Springsteen download route.


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I am about ready to storm the museum. Who's in?


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A new story in Washington Post about the archive and its billionaire benefactor. Seems to also have some new photos of the archive contents.

http://wapo.st/2gwfPxy?tid=ss_tw-bottom ... ad1bfd4e84


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PostPosted: Fri October 13th, 2017, 04:54 GMT 
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A new story in Washington Post about the archive and its billionaire benefactor. Seems to also have some new photos of the archive contents.

http://wapo.st/2gwfPxy?tid=ss_tw-bottom ... ad1bfd4e84


I LOVE that jacket! 8)


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