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PostPosted: Wed March 1st, 2017, 21:56 GMT 
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http://www.desertsun.com/story/life/ent ... /98497824/

"Brinkley says Dylan is still "spiritually-driven," but his recent recordings have reflected his interest in the kind of songs recorded by Frank Sinatra, who Brinkley says Dylan befriended in the final years of Sinatra's life.

“The main focus of my book is going to be built around Bob Dylan and the American road,” he said. “What is Dylan’s tradition as a troubadour? He did a tour for the nation’s bicentennial called the Rolling Thunder Revue, where Bob Dylan toured the country with Joan Baez and Alan Ginsberg, Ramblin' Jack Elliott, playwright Sam Shepard, T Bone Burnett and others. Martin Scorsese is doing a documentary right now on the Rolling Thunder Revue and I’ve been able to get copies of all of the interviews that have been done by the Scorsese team over the decades as a primary source for my book."


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PostPosted: Thu March 2nd, 2017, 13:44 GMT 
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Thank you. I was not aware.


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PostPosted: Thu March 2nd, 2017, 15:38 GMT 
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ApocalypseKurtz wrote:
He did a tour for the nation’s bicentennial called the Rolling Thunder Revue

Did he ever say that he did the tour for the bicentennial? RTR ended six weeks before the actual bicentennial celebration.


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 17:28 GMT 
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What is happening with this? Perhaps drowned by the overall spectacle (and rightly so) of 'Trouble No More', but you'd think it was all anyone would talk about. A 'No Direction Home' from a period in Dylan's carreer where he never looked (let's be honest) better, never sounded better (well, post 66 obvs) or was more creative (well, again, maybe 65-66; Both amphetamine fuelled. No?)
There must be plenty of footage, sound and people still kicking to talk for hours about it.

Is it on imdb? Is there any release date speculation?

"Shut up and take my money" comes to mind.


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 17:44 GMT 
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I hope there's more than just a documentary. Maybe an official release of Renaldo and CLara?

In the Ratso Sloman book he recounts endless situations in which cameras were rolling. It would be awesome if the best of the unused and used footage was presented in some way. Something more enjoyable than the boring, impossible to follow movie. That movie was such a tease - too much non-Bob content, can't understand what people are saying, and performance footage is all chopped up.


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 17:48 GMT 
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Winter Lude wrote:
I hope there's more than just a documentary. Maybe an official release of Renaldo and CLara?

In the Ratso Sloman book he recounts endless situations in which cameras were rolling. It would be awesome if the best of the unused and used footage was presented in some way. Something more enjoyable than the boring, impossible to follow movie. That movie was such a tease - too much non-Bob content, can't understand what people are saying, and performance footage is all chopped up.


I'd rather have a plain-vanilla documentary (a la 'No Direction Home') than a proper release of 'Renaldo and Clara'; I find it hard to imagine that any edit will make it watchable... :?


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Anr Bjotk wrote:

"Shut up and take my money" comes to mind.


Sounds like a good title for the documentary


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 19:57 GMT 
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outfidel wrote:
ApocalypseKurtz wrote:
He did a tour for the nation’s bicentennial called the Rolling Thunder Revue

Did he ever say that he did the tour for the bicentennial? RTR ended six weeks before the actual bicentennial celebration.


Yes, more a kind of celebratory requiem - a kind of wonderful, drunken wake, if you like - for the wasted potential and squandered opportunities the new world could have had, and contributed to mankind, if it hadn't been built on murder and then guilt. Now we have Trump. Were 1975/6 the years when optimism died? Yep.


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I get the feeling it’s been placed on hold or scrapped after a hot start (people were interviewed for RTR just like in NDH).


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 20:41 GMT 
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Am I crazy ?......or does it seem like every few weeks someone starts a thread saying Scorsese is making a documentary on some aspect of Bobs career ?


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 22:02 GMT 
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Sounds to me that, once the gospel release is done and dusted, we can look forward to a 1974-76 box, comprising all the Blood On The Tracks stuff that's been on the shelf for a couple of years, and more; accompanied by a film on the Rolling Thunder tour: possibly involving Scorsese and possibly with a view to making the Renaldo and Clara footage watchable. Just a hunch.


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PostPosted: Fri September 29th, 2017, 22:06 GMT 
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chester drawers wrote:
Am I crazy ?......or does it seem like every few weeks someone starts a thread saying Scorsese is making a documentary on some aspect of Bobs career ?



It does feel that way :lol:


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Winter Lude wrote:
I hope there's more than just a documentary. Maybe an official release of Renaldo and CLara?

In the Ratso Sloman book he recounts endless situations in which cameras were rolling. It would be awesome if the best of the unused and used footage was presented in some way. Something more enjoyable than the boring, impossible to follow movie. That movie was such a tease - too much non-Bob content, can't understand what people are saying, and performance footage is all chopped up.


Take a look at my post here: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=91412&p=1776324#p1776211


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 01:26 GMT 
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If such a documentary ever comes to pass i only wish for two things;

1) They cover 1975 and 1976
2) They do not intersperse bits of Renaldo and Clara throughout it.

A nice, clear narrative of the tour, its participants, what inspired it,
good interviews and concert footage would be a great recipe.
The 'film' Renaldo And Clara if released at all, should be given its
own release, and not wedged into a documentary on two of the
most interesting years of Bob Dylan's touring career.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 07:53 GMT 
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Of course, it would be very interesting to see the official version of 75/76 in the much the same way as No Direction Home gave us that version of Dylan's early career. A well made Rolling Thunder documentary would no doubt be a pleasure to watch, but it would have to be pitched at a more general audience than just the afficionados here. However beautifully put together it would ultimately have to follow the rules of a standard rockumentary and it would be unlikely to offer anything startlingly new.

I would much rather have a fully restored "critical edition" of Renaldo and Clara as Dylan intended it to be seen. Misunderstood, multi-layered masterpiece or misconcieved vanity project by coked-up rawk stars and their hangers-on, or something inbetween; or maybe, after the passing of four decades, something altogether different. Whatever it is, Dylan spent a great deal of time intimately involved in the project at one of the most creative points in his career and I think it's ripe for revaluation.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 15:22 GMT 
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Of course, it would be very interesting to see the official version of 75/76 in the much the same way as No Direction Home gave us that version of Dylan's early career. A well made Rolling Thunder documentary would no doubt be a pleasure to watch, but it would have to be pitched at a more general audience than just the afficionados here. However beautifully put together it would ultimately have to follow the rules of a standard rockumentary and it would be unlikely to offer anything startlingly new.

I would much rather have a fully restored "critical edition" of Renaldo and Clara as Dylan intended it to be seen. Misunderstood, multi-layered masterpiece or misconcieved vanity project by coked-up rawk stars and their hangers-on, or something inbetween; or maybe, after the passing of four decades, something altogether different. Whatever it is, Dylan spent a great deal of time intimately involved in the project at one of the most creative points in his career and I think it's ripe for revaluation.


I saw it recently and it still drags. Dramatically it's just..there's a word for it.. poor.
What's good is good; in 1929 or in 2017. The music is phenomenal. A handful of
scenes are interesting, but beyond that one has to mournfully conclude that drama &
dialogue in the cinematic medium are not Dylan's strong suit. How often can one watch
Masked & Anonymous? It's idiosyncratic and occasionally amusing but the dramatic
dynamics never hang together. It looks better on paper than it does on the screen.
That's ok. He makes dialogue work to devastating effect in his songs, and that's good
enough.
Dylan's strongest dramatic turn for my money was his brief appearance in Pat Garret.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 18:13 GMT 
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Dylan's strongest dramatic turn for my money was his brief appearance in Pat Garret.


Agreed, Pat Garret was his best performance, perhaps because the role of 'Alias'
never existed in the script and Dylan got to pretty much ad-lib making him come
across more natural.
He clearly had designs on acting, Hearts Of Fire, (less said the better on that and its not just Dylan's fault)
his small cameo in an otherwise strangely entertaining movie
Catchfire' IMDB LINK http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096875/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_91
And the movie 'Masked And Anonymous'.

Renaldo and Clara is not very good, it's a bunch of musicians playing at being
actors, and it doesn't work. Not even in an ''it's so bad it's good'' way.
Harry Dean Stanton was a fine actor, but not even he could save the film
or even the scenes he's in.
Dylan also appeared briefly in Paradise Cove, an independent modern film noir
set in Indian Casino's but not to any degree that would affect the films quality.
Yet Dylan does have screen presence, and you can't take your eye off him when he's
on screen, but then he attempts to act, and he just cannot do it.
'Masked & Anonymous' has a stellar cast so Dylan was able to coast through
that movie with his enigmatic screen presence, but however much he respected
the art of acting, he never mastered it.

If Renaldo and Clara was released again for the big screen, it'd be a very
limited release, and it would get panned. And rightly so.
I'm not saying anything Dylan himself probably wouldn't agree with.
It has no direction, it is self indulgent, and its offensive to art film directors
and actors to try and embolden this films reputation.

As already noted, the best parts are the music, and since Dylan is one
of the best musical artists ever to release albums and perform on stage,
i'd prefer he did what he's good at. Not many musician's can make the
leap convincingly, Mick Jagger was embarrassing, and Bowie was limited,
yes he got praise for his elephant man portrayal, but the truth is, any good
stage actor would have been capable of better.
Tom Waits is perhaps one of the few who did make the leap into acting and
was actually good at it. 'Down By Law' is a classic film, so too was 'Ironweed'.

I love Dylan's music, but i refuse to join any kind of misguided chorus of
those describing Renaldo and Clara as some great mystical lost classic.

It is a bad film.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 19:26 GMT 

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^^^ says you

i'm with charles darwin,
and he says it so good
charlesdarwin wrote:
Of course, it would be very interesting to see the official version of 75/76 in the much the same way as No Direction Home gave us that version of Dylan's early career. A well made Rolling Thunder documentary would no doubt be a pleasure to watch, but it would have to be pitched at a more general audience than just the afficionados here. However beautifully put together it would ultimately have to follow the rules of a standard rockumentary and it would be unlikely to offer anything startlingly new.

I would much rather have a fully restored "critical edition" of Renaldo and Clara as Dylan intended it to be seen. Misunderstood, multi-layered masterpiece or misconcieved vanity project by coked-up rawk stars and their hangers-on, or something inbetween; or maybe, after the passing of four decades, something altogether different. Whatever it is, Dylan spent a great deal of time intimately involved in the project at one of the most creative points in his career and I think it's ripe for revaluation.


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Paradise cove? What when where :shock:


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 21:06 GMT 
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Alfred!

Strip the musical bits out from all those movies (sans HoF, nothing can save it) and there's something of value worth watching.

Billy The Kid is decent but didn't need Bob to be a good western. Bob gets an F, he is no Hollywood actor. Couldn't even play himself as a washed up has been.


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dylanswife wrote:
Alfred!

Strip the musical bits out from all those movies (sans HoF, nothing can save it) and there's something of value worth watching.

Billy The Kid is decent but didn't need Bob to be a good western. Bob gets an F, he is no Hollywood actor. Couldn't even play himself as a washed up has been.



Oaw you are daring.....you expect that he'll stay married to you after this? Even if I thought he was a lousy actor...I wouldn't dare to tell him to his face...I'd be so scared he'd give me the walkin' papers? :lol: Well you guys must be incredibly happy then, IF you can tell him that kind of stuff and he adores you anyway ....I just have to congratulate you guys :mrgreen: You succeeded with something that no living woman so far has managed....are you from a different universe maybe?


Bob is not an A actor like Al Pacino maybe, but he has carisma, so people stay spell bound anyway. He doesn't get an A maybe, BUT there are tons of actors in Hollywood that call themselves actors, but can't act. Bob is better than some of them so that's NOT an F. :lol:


I can't believe I am talking to *^#0& ing Bob's WIFE!!!! So are you gonna open up about your relationship then? We would like to know you see. :lol: It's in his kiss? Please tell us......


hmm the mystical wifie disappeared, obviously bothered by too personal questions....oh but I wanna know......hooo hoo Dylans wifie......hooo hoo where did you go? :lol:


I must say that Dylan's wife talks just like wives usually talk......I can imagine Dylan finally found his big love and is happy as a bird in the sky....I'm jealous :(


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 21:38 GMT 
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I think that the many hours of footage take for R&C could be presented in a way that is interesting. maybe it would be good to present it as archival footage. Hundreds of hours of multi-camera footage that can be edited and turned into something by volunteer Dylan Fan video geeks via the internet.

And then there's the performance footage. R&C gives you snippets. A full, remastered pro-shot 1975 RTR set would go nicely with the two Hard Rain shows, including all alternate songs that were filmed. Those three things in an audio/video release would be amazing.


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Yep, says me. I said it, i know i did, i wrote the words.
These are facts.


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PostPosted: Tue October 3rd, 2017, 21:44 GMT 
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escapeedrifter wrote:
Paradise cove? What when where :shock:


It's an independent film.
Here's some info - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212414/

Sorry if people found my review of Renaldo and Clara a bit hard,
but i work in the industry, and i just don't respect it when genuinely
talented screenplay writers get overlooked because some company
is spending money on rock stars play things.
I know Dylan threw plenty of his cash at this so at least there's that.
But it's an abomination. Says me.


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