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PostPosted: Tue December 22nd, 2015, 11:53 GMT 

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Thank you very much. Didn't know of this blog--incredible work.


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PostPosted: Tue January 5th, 2016, 00:58 GMT 

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I wanted to share my findings with everyone on the Don’t Look Back live performances now that we have the complete audio from the ’65 UK tour.
There is a lot of misinformation out there and I believe the list below corrects a lot of wrongs.
Please let me know of any mistakes, typos, feedback, etc.
I am next onto “’65 Revisited” then the new extras found on the Blu Ray edition of Criterion DLB including “Snapshots” and others.
Thank you for invaluable comments which I have read from Bob Stacey, h.egbert, lonelycrowd, lowgen + others
-Jeff Friedman
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-First sets of 4/30 Sheffield and 5/6 Newcastle mislabeled by Pennebaker.
First set = “Times…” > “Tambourine Man”
Should be swapped.
4/30 Sheffield is actually 5/6 Newcastle and 5/6 Newcastle is actually 4/30 Sheffield (first sets only).
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-Retro Rock recording of “Don’t Think Twice…”
First verse and portion of second verse from 5/6 Newcastle
Middle of second verse till end from 5/7 Manchester
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-Songs appearing in Don’t Look Back (in order of appearance in film):
5/6/65 All I Really Want To Do Newcastle, England-City Hall
4/30/65 The Times They Are A-Changin’ Sheffield, England-The Oval-City Hall
4/30/65 To Ramona Sheffield, England-The Oval-City Hall
5/1/65 The Times They Are A-Changin’ Liverpool, England-Odeon
(interesting to note that the audio feed from this line recording as found on the 65 Copyright download is complete unlike the
PA recording as seen and heard in the film, missing the first 2 verses)
5/2/65 Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/7/65 Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall
5/9/65 The Times They Are A-Changin’ London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/9/65 Talkin’ WWIII Blues London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/10/65 It’s Alright Ma (I’m Only Bleeding) London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/10/65 Gates of Eden London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/7/65 Love Minus Zero; No Limit Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall
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-Songs in Don’t Look Back ‘outtakes’ (in order of appearance on known DVD bootlegs)

5/2/65 Times They Are A-Changin’ Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 To Ramona Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 Gates of Eden Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 If You Gotta Go, Go Now Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 It's Alright Ma Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
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--- Outlaw Blues-Soundcheck unconfirmed date and location
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--- Hotel room reading mail unconfirmed date and location
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--- On train-no audio unconfirmed date and location
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4/30/65 It Ain't Me Babe Sheffield, England-The Oval-City Hall
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5/8/65 Love Minus Zero London, England-Savoy Hotel
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5/1/65 All I Really Want To Do Liverpool, England-Odeon
5/1/65 It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue Liverpool, England-Odeon
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4/30/65 To Ramona Sheffield, England-The Oval-City Hall
(This is the clip broadcast 10/10/85 on the 20/20 report on ABC-TV)
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5/6/65 She Belongs To Me Newcastle, England-City Hall
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--- Hotel Footage unconfirmed date and location
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--- Airport Departure unconfirmed date and location
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4/27/65 Press Conference Savoy Hotel-London
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--- Piano and Vocal unconfirmed date and location
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5/9/65 Times They Are A-Changin’
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5/2/65 To Ramona Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 Talkin' WWIII Blues Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
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5/5/65 Don't Think Twice, It's Allright Birmingham, England-Town Hall
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5/6/65 Times They Are A-Changin Newcastle, England-City Hall
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5/10/65 It's Alright Ma London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/10/65 Talkin' WWIII Blues London, England-Royal Albert Hall
5/10/65 She Belongs To Me London, England-Royal Albert Hall
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5/7/65 Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall
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5/1/65 Gates of Eden Liverpool, England-Odeon
5/1/65 It's Alright Ma Liverpool, England-Odeon
5/1/65 Mr. Tambourine Man Liverpool, England-Odeon
5/1/65 She Belongs To Me Liverpool, England-Odeon
5/1/65 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Liverpool, England-Odeon
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5/2/65 Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
5/2/65 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Leicester, England-De Montford Hall
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5/7/65 Love Minus Zero Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall
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5/1/65 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Liverpool, England-Odeon
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PostPosted: Tue January 5th, 2016, 02:21 GMT 
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Thanks, Jeff. That's a lot of work comparing all those tracks.


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PostPosted: Wed January 6th, 2016, 05:14 GMT 

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Thanks to Jeff Friedman (“neonblues”) for taking time and great care to go through the complete live performances which we now have from Dylan’s ’65 England tour and for comparing those audio recordings to some of the film sources with music in circulation.

We especially appreciate his sharing the findings he’s made to date. This topic keeps getting better and better. There can’t be too many careful eyes watching or ears listening. As said before, it’ll be a long time before there is ever any “final word” put down about the music performances from that tour.

Jeff is correct. There has been a lot of misinformation out there. There have also been some solid attempts to provide as complete and accurate as possible attributions for the music. The recordings made available in the 50th Anniversary Collection 1965 should only help to further narrow down what we know from what is presumed or not known at all.

At first glance, Jeff’s input brings new information and also gives corroboration to previous attributions. As there is time, I plan on doing more listening and watching myself to check where we are with the musical performances (onstage and offstage). I also look forward to hearing what Jeff determines about ’65 Revisited and the Criterion Blu-Ray DVD.

Jeff and others please do keep up the good work. That goes for all those with the ability to make comparisons using multiple sound channels in computers and playing versions into one headphone side or the other. All sorts of toggling and instantaneous switchery could be necessary with adjustments for sound and speed. Watch those film clips with the eye of a hawk. Go for it!

Here’s some assorted thoughts on a few items listed by Jeff:

5/1/65 The Times They Are A-Changin’ Liverpool, England-Odeon
(interesting to note that the audio feed from this line recording as found on the 65 Copyright download is complete unlike the PA recording as seen and heard in the film, missing the first 2 verses)


Evidently, the line failure which occurred at Liverpool affected only the part of the feed going to the house speakers but not that reaching the main Nagra recorder for the concert. We know there was a second recorder operating (or a second channel being recorded?) backstage because we hear the technicians and stage manager talking in close proximity to a microphone as they frantically try to fix the sound problem. Dylan’s unamplified (to the house) vocal is heard in the background of that recording. Pennebaker rarely filmed from the stage wing on that tour, but it was good luck that he was there that night (and the close up audio recording was made – probably by Jones Alk) to capture the backstage commotion and anxiety. Also, good luck for the concert goers that the problem was quickly solved and they didn’t miss too much. Likewise, good luck for all Dylan fans 50 years later that the direct feed to the Nagra recorder was not interrupted.

-Songs in Dont Look Back ‘outtakes’ (in order of appearance on known DVD bootlegs)
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--- Outlaw Blues-Soundcheck unconfirmed date and location


Manchester - Free Trade Hall – May 7, 1965 (“Dont Look Back” - time marker 1:03:18)

The soundcheck rehearsal scene in “DLB” reveals a relatively long rectangular arena. Vertical lines (or ribs) high up on the ends of the side walls could be reflective sound baffles. Photos and diagrams in C.P. Lee’s book “Like The Night (Revisited)” confirm these construction details and also show long balconies down the side walls which come to curved endings over each side of the stage. The end wall above the onstage seating area is patterned with a massive design consisting of large and small rectangles. A chairbacked stool is used onstage. The three microphone arrangement is the same as at Newcastle, but the mic stands here have tripod feet.

Outlaw Blues (soundcheck in DLB Outtakes) – These two connected clips show details of the FTH stage and the hall. The chair-backed stool is briefly visible. Though this is a rough, incomplete version, it would not have been such a major leap to have added this song to the setlist.
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--- Hotel room reading mail unconfirmed date and location

Backstage waiting room at Manchester Free Trade Hall. Dylan already has on his stage outfit, his guitar and harmonica. Fan Derek Parrott, the fellow seen wearing glasses and sitting on the floor, talked about this being Manchester in an article in ISIS #123.
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--- On train-no audio unconfirmed date and location

Virtually all major transportation legs in England were made by automobile, but we do know of the train ride from Newcastle back down to Manchester on May 7th. If anyone knows of another train trip they made during the tour, please let us know.
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--- Hotel Footage unconfirmed date and location

This is during the 4/27/65 afternoon press conference in the Manhattan Room of the Savoy Hotel. Maureen Cleave is shown asking some questions.
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--- Airport Departure unconfirmed date and location

JFK International Airport departure on 4/26/65. Joan Baez is in the group. Joan certainly wasn’t with Dylan when he departed England on that trip.
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4/27/65 Press Conference Savoy Hotel-London

Dylan with the headphones and light bulb. Actually, this press conference is upon Dylan's arrival at the London Heathrow Airport on the evening of 4/26/65.
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PostPosted: Wed January 6th, 2016, 08:20 GMT 

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A couple more comments ...

First sets of 4/30 Sheffield and 5/6 Newcastle mislabeled by Pennebaker.
First set = “Times…” > “Tambourine Man”
Should be swapped.
4/30 Sheffield is actually 5/6 Newcastle and 5/6 Newcastle is actually 4/30 Sheffield (first sets only).
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-Retro Rock recording of “Don’t Think Twice…”
First verse and portion of second verse from 5/6 Newcastle
Middle of second verse till end from 5/7 Manchester
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I think Jeff confirms what most are now generally in agreement with concerning the swap mix up between 4/30 Sheffield and 5/6 Newcastle. The entire first sets of each seem to be misidentified as the first set of the other.

He also agrees with what has been noted about the Retro Rock recording of “Don’t Think Twice…”; i.e., that it is mostly the 5/7 Manchester recording with an edit at the beginning from 5/6 Newcastle. But, kudos to Jeff for identifying the exact edit point.

I'm sure there's more to be said about the songs appearing in Dont Look Back, but here's one I just rechecked based upon what Jeff Friedman reports:

5/7/65 Love Minus Zero; No Limit Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall

This is the track at the conclusion of the medley of songs we see in "the last concert" sequence in the film. I hadn't checked closely enough before but, yes, all of this Love Minus Zero audio in DLB is from the Manchester recording. It's possible that the close up video from the first two verses we see (and hear) are also Manchester. In the final two verses, the video is definitely not Manchester as the camera angle switches to a rear viewpoint and pulls up and away. In that shot, the onstage stool is different from the chair-backed stool that was beside Dylan at Manchester (see DLB outtakes). As the video pulls away to view the singer alone in the spotlight (in Royal Albert Hall), the audio from Manchester continues to play out. Another prime example of Pennebaker's mastery at editing and syncing audio and video from different performances to provide maximum effect.


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PostPosted: Thu January 7th, 2016, 04:33 GMT 
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Thanks, Bob, for reviewing Jeff's findings, and for posting the visual clues you've found (you are surely the specialist for the visuals).

Additions are welcome but at the moment, I think this is the best reference.

One thing seems curious to me- A 4/26 Press Conference at the arrival airport, after a long flight and with staff waiting and with luggage piled up seems less likely than a hotel setting the next day. Or did the entourage proceed without Dylan?


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PostPosted: Thu January 7th, 2016, 09:10 GMT 
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It's an interesting point, in regard to the curious airport press conference I think we should remember Hartley's thought, "The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there". From the beginnings of news mass media in the C19th to the 1970s, during the age when intercontinental travel was far rarer than today, even only moderately famous people, like Bob in 1965, entering a country were regarded as a news item worthy of note. It was standard jounalistic practice to interview overseas artists and celebrities as they disembarked at the docks or at the airport. For example, Oscar Wilde was greeted by the press in New York in 1881 even before he went through customs. The Beatles famous first US press conference in Feb. 1964 was held at JFK.


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PostPosted: Thu January 7th, 2016, 15:41 GMT 
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To all those interested:

I tried to put together a chronological sequence of all the music of Dont Look Back with Bob Dylan involved.
The dates I took mostly from contributions posted here in this thread (thanks to neonblues, bstacy, lowgen and all others)
A second source was of course Olof Björner's "Still On The Road". At some occasions Olof gives a different date for certain songs, i tried to point this out, but I'm not sure I found all of them.

The timing indicates the start of each performance. I used the new Criterion DVD as a reference. Other releases might have slightly different times.

Sometimes I referred to the DVD #2 of the 65 Tour Deluxe Package. That's because Olof Björner attributes other songs or other parts of songs to that item. I will come up with a detailed list of this when I have found the time to do so.

I don't have checked DVD #2 of the Criterion release either. Same goes for the outtakes. I will do so later.

Sorry for any mistake I made, please feel free to correct me.

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00:12
SUBTERRANEAN HOMESICK BLUES
Columbia Recording Studios, New York City, New York, January 14, 1965

01:58
SHE BELONGS TO ME
London, Royal Albert Hall, Backstage, May 9, 1965 [Rehearsal / warm up]

03:27
ALL I REALLY WANT TO DO
Newcastle, City Hall, May 6, 1965
(Olof Björner attributes this song to Liverpool, May 1)
* see also: Dont Look Back – 65 Tour Exclusive Edition, DVD 2

04:15
LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLING DOWN
London Airport, April 26, 1965

10:26
MAGGIE’S FARM
Columbia Recording Studios, New York City, New York, January 15, 1965

14:44
ONLY A PAWN IN THEIR GAME
Greenwood, Mississippi, July 6, 1963

16:22
THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN‘
Sheffield, The Oval City Hall, April 30, 1965

17:11
TO RAMONA
Sheffield, The Oval City Hall, April 30, 1965
* see also: Dont Look Back – 65 Tour Exclusive Edition, DVD 2

24:26
THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN‘
Liverpool, Odeon, May 1, 1965

26:20
THE LONESOME DEATH OF HATTIE CARROLL
Leicester, De Montford Hall, May 2, 1965
* see also: Dont Look Back – 65 Tour Exclusive Edition, DVD 2

30:30
PERCY’S SONG [Baez, Dylan on typewriter]
London, Savoy Hotel, May 4, 1965

35:33
LOST HIGHWAY
London, Savoy Hotel, May 4, 1965

37:10
I’M SO LONELY I COULD CRY
London, Savoy Hotel, May 4, 1965

47:08
UNIDENTIFIED SONG
Birmingham, Town Hall, Backstage, May 5, 1965 [warm up]
* see also: Dont Look Back – 65 Tour Exclusive Edition, DVD 2

48:35
GUITAR/PIANO RIFFS
Newcastle, Hotel room, May 6, 1965

59:19
LITTLE THINGS
Newcastle, Hotel room, May 6, 1965

1:00:30
BLUES JAM
Newcastle, Hotel room, May 6, 1965

1:02:24
DON’T THINK TWICE, IT’S ALL RIGHT
Manchester, Free Trade Hall, May 7,1965
(Olof Björner attributes this song to Newcastle, May 6)
* Might this be a mix of Manchester and Newcastle here, too?

1:04:06
GUITAR RIFFS
Manchester, Free Trade Hall, May 7, 1965 [Soundcheck]

1:11:30
IT’S ALL OVER NOW, BABY BLUE
London, Savoy Hotel, May 8, 1965

1:16:22
HARP RIFFS
London, Royal Albert Hall, Backstage, May 9, 1965 [warm up]

1:16:45
PIANO/HARP RIFFS
London, Royal Albert Hall, Backstage, May 9, 1965 [warm up]

1:27:34
GUITAR/HARP RIFFS
London, Royal Albert Hall, Backstage, May 9, 1965 [warm up]

1:28:54
THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN‘
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 9, 1965

1:29:14
TALKING WORLD WAR III BLUES
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 9, 1965

1:30:54
IT’S ALRIGHT, MA (I’M ONLY BLEEDING)
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 9, 1965

1:31:37
GATES OF EDEN
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 9, 1965

1:33:13
LOVE MINUS ZERO/NO LIMIT
Manchester, Free Trade Hall, May 7, 1965
(Olof Björner attributes this song to London, May 9)


BONUS TRACKS [audio only]

IT AIN’T ME, BABE
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 10, 1965

IT’S ALL OVER NOW, BABY BLUE
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 10, 1965

LOVE MINUS ZERO/NO LIMIT
Sheffield, The Oval City Hall, April 30, 1965

THE LONESOME DEATH OF HATTIE CARROLL
London, Royal Albert Hall, May 10, 1965

TO RAMONA
Sheffield, The Oval City Hall, April 30, 1965


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PostPosted: Thu January 7th, 2016, 19:38 GMT 
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>>A second source was of course Olof Björner

Unless you know something I don't, Bjorner is not a "source" in any sense at all, particularly since his attributions were made before the 50-year release. In general, his pages often contain much unreliable information copied from unreliable sources.

In sharp contrast, NeonBlues actually listened to these recordings very carefully and Stacy actually watched the videos very carefully.

/Lowgen


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PostPosted: Fri January 8th, 2016, 12:19 GMT 
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lowgen wrote:
>>A second source was of course Olof Björner

Unless you know something I don't, Bjorner is not a "source" in any sense at all, particularly since his attributions were made before the 50-year release. In general, his pages often contain much unreliable information copied from unreliable sources.

In sharp contrast, NeonBlues actually listened to these recordings very carefully and Stacy actually watched the videos very carefully.

/Lowgen



Dear Sir,

will you please excuse my improper wording? I'm deeply sorry.

Did I give you the impression to undererstimate the research work of others here on ER? I don't hope so, but no other has complained, so I'm sure it's not the case.

But you might have noticed that I took all the dates of concert recordings from this thread and only mentioned B*****s assignments where they differ. I truly thought it was clear enough that I did so only to point out that he, B******r, still comes up with his own interpretation, call it guessing or whatever you like.

As to non-concert songs, did I ignore a list here concerning the exact dates? If so, I apologize. If not, I took B******r's dates just because it's the only other source I know of. Oh, it's not a source, it's only a "source", what'll I do?


My experience with "The Swede", by the way, is this: he will correct his entry on any grounded information.

Yours truly

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PostPosted: Fri January 8th, 2016, 13:56 GMT 

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I think right now, with the additional concert recordings, we are happily in a stage of being able to better define many of the date/place attributions for performances from the 65 England tour. But it's still EARLY - a time of close careful listening and looking at film. Perhaps, way too early to declare anyone's listing the best most current. This thread is a good place to present observations and findings, to make comments, and to compare new data and information with the old. Of course, the major online listings (Searching For A Gem, Olof's pages, etc.) will lag behind, but fortunately, those sources do care about presenting the best, most accurate information. And they are willing to be updated as better information becomes available. It's our chance to make sure that information is the best MOST ACCURATE.

Thanks, h.egbert, for the handy listing of DLB timings, especially since it's done for the latest media version, too.
I did a similar chronological listing when I was working on the London Bridges project several years ago, but yours is more complete.

Before this is over, a similar chrono listing for the "65 Revisited" film and for any other film extras would be nice to have :-)

I'm expecting the Criterion Blu-Ray to arrive sometime next week, and by then, I hope to get back to taking a closer look at Jeff Friedman's thorough listing + whatever he comes up with on "65 Revisited", etc.

An added note: the London Airport press conference on the evening of 4/26 and the Savoy Hotel press conference on the afternoon of 4/27 were two separate events – both are documented in film and in numerous photographs. There were print media reports from both events. Dylan was also interviewed by telephone at the airport for the BBC radio program "Teen Scene". Apparently, airport press conferences were fairly common. They occurred upon Dylan’s arrival in most Australian cities in April 1966, often followed up by additional interviews and meetings with the press at his hotel.


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PostPosted: Sun January 17th, 2016, 16:49 GMT 
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if they release all the 1966 shows the cat's basket will have to go!

Tour Dates 1966
Date City Country Venue
North America
February 4, 1966 Louisville USA Convention Center
February 5, 1966 White Plains USA Westchester County Center
February: 6, 1966 Pittsburgh USA Syria Mosque
February 10, 1966 Memphis USA Ellis Auditorium
February 11, 1966 Richmond USA Shrine Mosque
February 12, 1966 Norfolk USA Municipal Auditorium
February 19, 1966 Ottawa Canada Ottawa Auditorium
February 20, 1966 Montreal Canada Place des Arts
February 24, 1966 Philadelphia USA Academy of Music
February 25, 1966 Philadelphia USA Academy of Music
February 26, 1966 Hempstead USA Island Garden
March 3, 1966 Miami Beach USA Convention Hall
March 5, 1966 Jacksonville USA Jacksonville Coliseum
March 11, 1966 St. Louis USA Kiel Opera House
March 12, 1966 Lincoln USA Memorial Auditorium
March 13, 1966 Denver USA Denver Auditorium Arena
March 19, 1966 Los Angeles USA Hollywood Bowl
March 23, 1966 Portland USA Paramount Theatre
March 25, 1966 Seattle USA Center Arena
March 26, 1966 Vancouver Canada PNE Agrodome
April 9, 1966 Honolulu USA International Centre
Oceania
April 13, 1966 Sydney Australia Sydney Stadium
April 15, 1966 Brisbane Australia Brisbane Festival Hall
April 16, 1966[A] Sydney Australia Sydney Stadium
April 20, 1966 Melbourne Australia Festival Hall
April 22, 1966 Adelaide Australia Palais Theatre
April 23, 1966 Perth Australia Capitol Theatre, Perth
Europe
April 29, 1966 Stockholm Sweden Stockholm Concert Hall
May 1, 1966 Copenhagen Denmark K.B. Hallen
May 5, 1966 Dublin Ireland Adelphi Theatre
May 6, 1966 Belfast Northern Ireland ABC Theatre
May 10, 1966 Bristol England Colston Hall
May 11, 1966 Cardiff Wales Capitol Theatre
May 12, 1966 Birmingham England Birmingham Odeon
May 14, 1966 Liverpool England Odeon Theatre
May 15, 1966 Leicester England De Montfort Hall
May 16, 1966 Sheffield England Gaumont Theatre
May 17, 1966 Manchester England Free Trade Hall
May 19, 1966[A] Glasgow Scotland Odeon Theatre
May 20, 1966 Edinburgh Scotland ABC Theatre
May 21, 1966 Newcastle England Odeon Theatre
May 24, 1966 Paris France L’Olympia
May 26, 1966 London England Royal Albert Hall
May 27, 1966 London England Royal Albert Hall


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PostPosted: Sun January 17th, 2016, 16:53 GMT 
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I wonder if they will own up and call the Manchester show 'Manchester' and The RAH shows 'Royal Albert Hall' including artwork of sticker to stick on Bootleg Series 4? Are most of these shows available in good quality btw?


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PostPosted: Thu January 21st, 2016, 06:52 GMT 
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Well, I have to say the quality of these 1965 shows is pretty good imo, have listened to six of the CD's (the new ones) and they are all well worth having!


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PostPosted: Sat January 30th, 2016, 20:41 GMT 

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Hi Everyone.
Below my findings on "65 REVISITED" film.
But first, a few notes.

-Thanks very much to Bob Stacey for his revisions to the non-performance DLB outs, I have added them to my sheet.
-I should have stated that my findings were based 100% on the audio, so when sound and picture do not coincide I will add that information.
-The DLB chronological listing by h. egbert has 2 errors-It's Alright Ma + Gates of Eden are from 5/10 not 5/9.
-I am onto the Criterion DLB release w/"Snapshots" and other items next.
h. egbert mentions a disc #2 with the Criterion release-I know of only 1 disc with this Blu-Ray release (?)
-Once all of these separate items are completed I would be happy to post them all together so they are all in one place.

Onto "65 Revisited":

You will notice a lot of missing dates/unconfirmed locations in the non-performance scenes.
I realize some of the missing information may be filled in by new items on the Criterion DLB release (when I get up to it).
I am asking for help in filling in the blanks but will not list any information based on speculation.
Please convince me.
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Directed by D. A. Pennebaker
Released 4/23/2007 by Docudrama NVG-9824 as Deluxe DVD edition.

Original film performances, press conferences, interviews and key scenes.
(In order of appearance in film):

--- on piano-unconfirmed date and location

--- Airport departure-London > Paris (?)
Title on film states “New York” but female voice with British accent is heard making announcement “TWA___ to Paris”.

--- Interview-unconfirmed date and location
speaks into telephone: “Yes, this is Jason Smith…”

--- departing concert-unconfirmed date and location

-5/5/65-“Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right” -Birmingham, England-Town Hall
Video comes in at 2nd verse. Misidentified in index as “London”

--- on train-unconfirmed date and location

--- Interview-unconfirmed date and location
Title on film states “London”

--- departing hotel-unconfirmed date and location

--- Walking on street/being photographed w/Baez London, England

5/4/65-“Wild Mountain Thyme” w/Baez-Savoy Hotel-London, England

5/4/65-“Take Off Your Big Clothes Mama” (?)-Savoy Hotel-London, England

--- Albert Grossman negotiates-unconfirmed date and location

--- ??? w/Baez-Savoy Hotel-London?

--- shot through car window-unconfirmed date and location
Title on film states “Sheffield”

5/7/65-“Love Minus Zero”-soundcheck-Manchester, England-Free Trade Hall

-4/30/65-“To Ramona”-Sheffield, England-The Oval-City Hall

--- with fans-unconfirmed date and location

--- in car w/Baez/footage outside hall-Liverpool, England-Odeon

--- fans (girls) outside hall and backstage-unconfirmed date and location

-5/1/65-“It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue”-Liverpool, England-Odeon

--- in car/tries on cap from fan-unconfirmed date and location

--- “It Takes A lot To Laugh”-backstage-unconfirmed date and location
on piano

-5/2/65-“Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll”-Leicester, England-DeMontfort Hall

--- Interview-unconfirmed date and location

--- Typing while Baez plays “What A Friend I Have in Jesus”-unconfirmed date and location

--- “Remember Me” w/Baez-unconfirmed date and location

-5/5/65-fans entering hall-Birmingham, England-Town Hall

-5/1/65-“It’s Alright Ma”-Liverpool, England-Odeon

--- “Let Me Die in My Footsteps”-unconfirmed date and location

--- walking down street-unconfirmed date and location

--- in hotel room/TV on-unconfirmed date and location
“You’re salty today Albert…”

--- clothes shopping-unconfirmed date and location

--- Alan Price-“Miss Jones” (?)-unconfirmed date and location

-5/6/65-“It Ain’t Me Babe”-Newcastle, England-City Hall

--- on train departing station-sign says Newcastle

--- on train-sign outside window says Manchester/Victoria

--- strumming guitar/backstage-unconfirmed date and location

-5/2/65-“If You Gotta Go”-Leicester, England-DeMontfort Hall

--- Grossman in car-unconfirmed date and location

--- Grossman w/Nico-unconfirmed date and location
“Gates of Eden” in background from LP

--- in back of car/entering hall-unconfirmed date and location

--- ???-on piano/backstage-Birmingham, England???

--- backstage/walking on stage-unconfirmed date and location

-5/9/65-“She Belongs To Me”-London, England-Royal Albert Hall
-5/10/65-“She Belongs To Me”-London, England-Royal Albert Hall
From start to harmonica break song performance from 5/9.
At harmonica break before “Bow down to her on Sundays” verse song performance is from 5/10.
Film footage is edited at this exact point

--- leaving stage/fans after show-unconfirmed date and location

--- “I’ll Keep it With Mine”-unconfirmed date and location
on piano/backstage (same as above)

-5/8/65-Subterranean Homesick Blues-alternate flash card sequence-
Rooftop of the Savoy Hotel-London, England/released studio audio.
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PostPosted: Sun January 31st, 2016, 01:39 GMT 
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Thanks, Neon Blues, for decoding another big piece of the Pennebaker Puzzles.

I know that a lot of time and effort went into this, and I'm grateful.


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PostPosted: Sun January 31st, 2016, 14:11 GMT 
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neonblues wrote:
Hi Everyone.
Below my findings on "65 REVISITED" film.
But first, a few notes.

-Thanks very much to Bob Stacey for his revisions to the non-performance DLB outs, I have added them to my sheet.
-I should have stated that my findings were based 100% on the audio, so when sound and picture do not coincide I will add that information.
-The DLB chronological listing by h. egbert has 2 errors-It's Alright Ma + Gates of Eden are from 5/10 not 5/9.
-I am onto the Criterion DLB release w/"Snapshots" and other items next.
h. egbert mentions a disc #2 with the Criterion release-I know of only 1 disc with this Blu-Ray release (?)
-Once all of these separate items are completed I would be happy to post them all together so they are all in one place.



Thank you for diving into the thing so deep and for correcting me with It's Alright Ma and Gates.

As to the Criterion release: The DVD-release comes with two discs.


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PostPosted: Sun January 31st, 2016, 19:56 GMT 

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re: Criterion DLB release.
I was referring to the Blu-Ray version and did not realize there was a standard DVD release.
The Blu-Ray = 1 disc
The standard DVD = 2 discs.
Thx!


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PostPosted: Mon February 1st, 2016, 01:19 GMT 

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Thanks to neonblues for the list of scenes and Dylan musical performances in 65 Revisited. Thanks also for time and effort in determining IDs of date/place locations.

I'm still in the process of taking a close look at contents of the Criterion Blu-Ray package. As time is available I'll try to offer more comments based on my own looks at the filmed sequences and music from the 65 England tour.


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PostPosted: Mon February 1st, 2016, 18:48 GMT 
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In both the original movie DONT LOOK BACK and the 2nd DVD of the 2006 re-release (BOB DYLAN 65 REVISITED) are scenes from - as far as I know - the Green Room of the Royal Albert Hall. These are the scenes:

Read the following entry this way:

Time // Title // Time according to the clock in the room // Bob wears

DONT LOOK BACK:

00:01:58 // She Belongs To Me // 8:31 // dark shirt, leather jacket
01:16:22 // Harp riffs // 4:32 // white shirt, street jacket (or whatever the right term is, maybe suit jacket?)
01:16:45 // Piano and harp riffs // 4:35 // white shirt, street jacket
01:26:18 // - // 7:19 // dark shirt
01:26:25 // - // 7:25 // dark shirt, leather jacket
01:27:34 // Guitra and harp riffs // 7:30 // dark shirt, leather jacket

BOB DYLAN 65 REVISITED

00:55:25 // Everybody knows but you (?) // n.a. //white shirt, street jacket
00:56:27 // Guitar and harp riffs // n.a. // dark shirt, leather jacket
01:01:27 // Piano riffs // n.a. // white shirt, street jacket
01:01:52 // I'll keep it with mine, then harp riffs // n.a. // white shirt, street jacket

in an further addition, in SNAPSHOTS FROM THE TOUR (off the 2nd DVD of the Criterion relase) there's another scene from the Green Room

00:22:07 // (to me) unknown piano based song // 5:05 // white shirt, street jacket.


What I wonder is, because there are two different scenes where Bob enters the stage, if this is from two different dates or (as I assume) from either the first and the second set. If so, would it be from May 10?


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PostPosted: Mon February 1st, 2016, 22:26 GMT 

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h.egbert - thanks for the movie time points for songs and riffs played inside the Green Room. Yes, I believe from those marker points in the film(s), those are all RAH.

>in SNAPSHOTS FROM THE TOUR (off the 2nd DVD of the Criterion relase) there's another scene from the Green Room
>00:22:07 // (to me) unknown piano based song // 5:05 // white shirt, street jacket.


That's "Slow Down" the song Larry Williams wrote and released in 1958. In 1964, The Beatles covered it for one of their UK EP releases, and it was also the B-side of their "Matchbox" single in the US.

>there are two different scenes where Bob enters the stage, if this is from two different dates or (as I assume)
>from either the first and the second set. If so, would it be from May 10?


Can you be more specific (provide the DLB time markers) for those entry scenes you mean? Actually, there are other stage entry scenes shown in DLB besides at London (e.g., @ Liverpool and @ Birmingham).


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PostPosted: Tue February 2nd, 2016, 08:34 GMT 
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bstacy wrote:
h.egbert - thanks for the movie time points for songs and riffs played inside the Green Room. Yes, I believe from those marker points in the film(s), those are all RAH.

>in SNAPSHOTS FROM THE TOUR (off the 2nd DVD of the Criterion relase) there's another scene from the Green Room
>00:22:07 // (to me) unknown piano based song // 5:05 // white shirt, street jacket.


That's "Slow Down" the song Larry Williams wrote and released in 1958. In 1964, The Beatles covered it for one of their UK EP releases, and it was also the B-side of their "Matchbox" single in the US.

>there are two different scenes where Bob enters the stage, if this is from two different dates or (as I assume)
>from either the first and the second set. If so, would it be from May 10?


Can you be more specific (provide the DLB time markers) for those entry scenes you mean? Actually, there are other stage entry scenes shown in DLB besides at London (e.g., @ Liverpool and @ Birmingham).



Hi, thank you for the Slow Down clarification.

The time markers in question are:

DONT LOOK BACK 01:28:40
BOB DYLAN 65 REVISITED 00:57:05

I watched them scenes one more time and I'm pretty sure it's the same venue (RAH)


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PostPosted: Tue February 2nd, 2016, 15:16 GMT 

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h.egbert wrote:
The time markers in question are:

DONT LOOK BACK 01:28:40
BOB DYLAN 65 REVISITED 00:57:05

I watched them scenes one more time and I'm pretty sure it's the same venue (RAH)


OK, I wasn't sure you meant both films or only in DONT LOOK BACK.
Yes, both of those scenes are at RAH immediately prior to start of the concerts.

In DONT LOOK BACK, it might even be constructed using footage from both dates:
Green Room - either 5/9 or 5/10 (many people in the room)
Switch to crowds coming in the outer doors (shot either 5/9 or 5/10)
Green Room - 5/9 (just Dylan, Grossman, and Neuwirth in the room) ... From things said at this point and from Bob's apparent tension and unease, this seems to be the first time he has played inside the big hall ... The entry onto the stage is made at this time.

In 65 REVISITED, all of this Green Room scene seems to be from 5/10.
Many people are in the room. There' much commotion and coming and going. I think at some point the crowd does again thin out.
Bob is much more at ease this night and is laughing and joking with Neuwirth as he goes on stage.

It seems likely that most or all of these Green Room scenes filmed immediately prior to Dylan's stage entry were shot using the secondary film camera (operated by Howard Alk) since Pennebaker would have already stationed himself with the main camera out front to film the performance close ups. In DONT LOOK BACK, on 5/9 after the secondary camera films Dylan from behind going onto stage, Pennebaker is already in place to catch the front-on closeup as "Times Changin" begins.

NOTE: There was at least one other stage entry filmed at RAH.
In the opening scene to DONT LOOK BACK, Dylan is seen backstage playing a few bars of “She Belongs To Me” before searching for his missing cane and then going onstage. In that scene, the Green Room wall clock showed 8:30. Pennebaker exercised creative license in presenting this mock ‘concert opening’ for his film (also including a live “All I Really Want To Do” playing over rolling introductory credits) as reinforcement that we were at the beginning of something more than another Bob Dylan show played from the stage. Actually, at that point during the filming, it was just prior to commencement of the second half of that evening's program. [A show beginning at the advertised 7:30 pm + seven first half songs + 15 minutes intermission = approx. 8:30 pm.]


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PostPosted: Mon February 8th, 2016, 15:47 GMT 
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Yesterday I looked at the Great Britain map to find out, where exactly Leicester would be (because of the current leader of the Premier League). I think it's about 40 miles northeast of Birmingham, right?

My question is: In 65 Bob played Leicester on May 2nd and Birmingham on May 5th (with no other gig in between). So did they really go back to London after Leicester as the date given for some of the "Savoy Hotel songs" (May 4) do suggest? I mean, the RAH concerts were on May 9 and 10 resp. and there are some other Savoy recordings on May 8.


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PostPosted: Tue February 9th, 2016, 14:02 GMT 

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Following the Leicester section, Pennebaker's text in the DONT LOOK BACK paperback reads, "Drive through rain back to London. Baez starts to sing." That was on the night of May 2nd. They'd already been on the road for three shows (two hotel nights), and it seems reasonable that they'd choose to endure the lengthy slogs to and from London just to spend three nights back at their (likely) more comfortable Savoy base camp.

C. Heylin's "Day By Day" book denotes the Dylan-Baez Savoy Hotel songfest on May 4th and also talks about an excursion out to a London restaurant by Dylan, Marianne Faithfull, Joan Baez, John Mayall, and Albert Grossman. Afterwards, there's a party at the hotel where they are joined by Donovan. The next day (the 5th), as featured in Pennebaker's filming, Dylan is accompanied by John Mayall and Baez on the 120-mile drive up to Birmingham for that evening's show.


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