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 Post subject: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Wed September 23rd, 2015, 23:46 GMT 
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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Wed September 23rd, 2015, 23:54 GMT 
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“At the beginning, most songs were fairly shapeless,” Dylan sideman Al Kooper says in the new issue of Rolling Stone, which will be available Friday. “Only little by little did they come together.”

Based on the boots I've heard this is correct, which makes my desire to hear a full disc of Rolling Stone's somewhat limited - it will be nice for the historical record but as a listening experience only for the most hard core fans. Of which there are many, of course, so I guess they may as well put it out while people still pay money for music.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 00:10 GMT 
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The 2-cd set may be enough for me to own...


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 01:02 GMT 
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Disc: 1
1. Love Minus Zero/No Limit - Take 1 (1/13/1965) acoustic, incomplete
2. Love Minus Zero/No Limit - Take 2 (1/13/1965) acoustic
3. Love Minus Zero/No Limit - Take 3 remake (1/13/1965) acoustic
4. Love Minus Zero/No Limit - Take 1 remake (1/14/1965) electric
5. I'll Keep It with Mine - Take 1 (1/13/1965) piano demo, previously released on Biograph, 1985
6. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic, previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 7, 2005
7. Bob Dylan's 115th Dream - Take 1 (1/13/1965) acoustic, incomplete
8. Bob Dylan's 115th Dream - Take 2 (1/13/1965) acoustic
9. She Belongs to Me - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic
10. She Belongs to Me - Take 2 Remake (1/13/1965) acoustic
11. She Belongs to Me - Take 1 Remake (1/14/1965) electric
12. Subterranean Homesick Blues - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic, previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 1
13. Subterranean Homesick Blues - Take 1 remake (1/14/1965) electric
14. Outlaw Blues - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic
15. Outlaw Blues - Take 2 Remake (1/13/1965) electric
16. On the Road Again - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic
17. On the Road Again - Take 4 (1/14/1965) electric
18. On the Road Again - Take 1 remake (1/15/1965) electric
19. On the Road Again - Take 7 remake (1/15/1965) electric
20. Farewell, Angelina - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic, previously released The Bootleg Series, Vol. 1
21. If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic
22. If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Take 2 (1/15/1965) electric
23. You Don't Have to Do That - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic, incomplete

Disc: 2
1. California - Take 1 (1/13/1965) solo acoustic
2. It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) - Take 1 (1/15/1965) acoustic, demo
3. Mr. Tambourine Man - Takes 1
4. Mr. Tambourine Man - Take 3 (1/15/1965) incomplete, with band
5. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry - Take 1 (6/15/1965)
6. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry - Take 8 (6/15/1965)
7. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry - Take 3 (7/29/1965)
8. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry - Take 3 remake (7/29/65)
9. Sitting on a Barbed Wire Fence - Take 2 (6/15/1965)
10. Tombstone Blues - Take 1 (7/29/1965)
11. Tombstone Blues - Take 9 (7/29/1965) previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 7, 2005
12. Positively 4th Street - Takes 1
13. Positively 4th Street - Take 4 (7/29/1965)
14. Positively 4th Street - Take 5 (7/29/1965)
15. Desolation Row - Take 1 (8/4/1965)
16. Desolation Row - Take 2 (8/4/1965) piano demo
17. Desolation Row - Take 5 remake (8/2/1965)
18. From a Buick 6 - Take 1 (7/30/1965)
19. From a Buick 6 - Take 4 (7/30/1965) released in error on first pressing of Highway 61 Revisited, 1965

Disc: 3
1. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 1
2. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 4 (6/15/1965)
3. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 5 (6/15/1965)
4. Like a Rolling Stone - Rehearsal (6/16/1965)
5. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 1 (6/16/1965)
6. Like a Rolling Stone - Takes 2
7. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 4 (6/16/1965) released on Highway 61 Revisited, 1965
8. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 5 (6/16/1965)
9. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 6 (6/16/1965)
10. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 8 (6/16/1965)
11. Like a Rolling Stone - Takes 9
12. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 11 (6/16/1965)
13. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 12 (6/16/1965)
14. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 13 (6/16/1965)
15. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 14 (6/16/1965)
16. Like a Rolling Stone - Take 15 (6/16/1965)
17. Like a Rolling Stone - Master take
18. Like a Rolling Stone - Master take
19. Like a Rolling Stone - Mast take
20. Like a Rolling Stone - Master take

Disc: 4
1. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Take 1 (7/30/1965)
2. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Take 17 (7/30/1965 released in error on the first pressing of Positively 4th Street single
3. Highway 61 Revisited - Take 3 (8/2/1965)
4. Highway 61 Revisited - Take 5 (8/2/1965)
5. Highway 61 Revisited - Take 7 (8/2/1965)
6. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues - Take 1 (8/2/1965)
7. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues - Take 3 (8/2/1965)
8. Just Like Tom Thumb's blues - Take 13 (8/2/1965)
9. Queen Jane Approximately - Take 2 (8/2/1965)
10. Queen Jane Approximately - Take 5 (8/2/1965)
11. Ballad of a Thin Man - Take 2 (8/2/1965) incomplete
12. Medicine Sunday - Take 1 (10/5/1965)
13. Jet Pilot - Take 1 (10/5/1965) Previously released on Biograph, 1985
14. I Wanna Be Your Lover - Take 1 (10/5/1965)
15. I Wanna Be Your Lover - Take 6 (10/5/1965)
16. Unknown Instrumental - Take 2 (10/5/1965)
17. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window - Takes 5
18. Visions of Johanna - Take 1 (11/30/1965)
19. Visions of Johanna - Take 5 (11/30/1965)

Disc: 5
1. Visions of Johanna - Take 7 (11/30/1965)
2. Visions of Johanna - Take 8 (11/30/1965) previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 7, 2005
3. Visions of Johanna - Take 14 (11/30/1965)
4. She's Your Lover Now - Take 1 (1/21/1966)
5. She's Your Lover Now - Take 6 (1/21/1966)
6. She's Your Lover Now - Take 15 (1/21/1966) previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 1
7. She's Your Lover Now - Take 16 (1/21/1966) solo piano
8. One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) - Take 2 (1/25/1966)
9. One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) - Take 4 (1/25/1966)
10. One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) - Take 19 (1/25/1966)
11. Lunatic Princess - Take 1 (1/27/1966)
12. Fourth Time Around - Take 11 (2/14/1966)
13. Leopard - Skin Pill
14. Leopard - Skin Pill

Disc: 6
1. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - Take 1 (2/17/1966)
2. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - Rehearsal (2/17/1966)
3. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - Take 5 (2/17/1966) previously released on The Bootleg Series, Vol. 7, 2005
4. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - Take 13 (2/17/1966)
5. Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again - Take 14 (2/17/1966)
6. Absolutely Sweet Marie - Take 1 (3/7/1966)
7. Just Like a Woman - Take 1 (3/8/1966)
8. Just Like a Woman - Take 4 (3/8/1966)
9. Just Like a Woman - Take 8 (3/8/1966)
10. Pledging My Time - Take 1 (3/8/1966)
11. Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I'll Go Mine) - Take 1 (3/9/1966)
12. Temporary Like Achilles - Take 3 (3/9/1966)
13. Obviously 5 Believers - Take 3 (3/10/1966)
14. I Want You - Take 4 (3/10/1966)
15. Sad - Eyed Lady of the Lowlands


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 01:49 GMT 
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I thought they might have included a few of the nicer hotel performances on the 6 disc set, things like 'What Kind of Friend is This?' and 'I Can't Leave Her Behind'. I really like these songs, as rough and rudimentary as they are. Presumably they will feature on the 18 disc set.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 01:50 GMT 
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D10S wrote:
The 2-cd set may be enough for me to own...


me too ...



.... but I'll buy the 5 CD set anyway



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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 02:30 GMT 
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"Eighteen, I get confused every day
Eighteen, I just don't know what to say
Eighteen and I like it"


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 03:18 GMT 

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I had a CD Rom back , think it was called Highway 61, in the early 90s that had the "Rolling Stone" session takes, but not the isolated tracks.
Wondering if the European single version of "if you gotta go, go now", is one of the takes. Probably.
Looks like it has the 'mellow ' version of "Crawl out you Window."
No live material from 65..maybe this will come I out at a later date, or decade...
Looks like the 2cd doesn't have the alternate "4th time around". Think this version had Charlie McCoy on harmonica...
Looks like the 6cd version is way to go.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 05:14 GMT 
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Still Go Barefoot wrote:
"Eighteen, I get confused every day
Eighteen, I just don't know what to say
Eighteen and I like it"

Twiddlin thumbs waiting for the official 18 CD track listing. The 6 CD is hopefully just a sampler. The real deal is about to be dealt


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 05:43 GMT 
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I mean I'll buy the whole thing, but everything about this is so boring so far. Really, really, really wish they just went with Blood on the Tracks sessions like they originally planned.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 06:10 GMT 
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thisisjohn wrote:
I mean I'll buy the whole thing, but everything about this is so boring so far. Really, really, really wish they just went with Blood on the Tracks sessions like they originally planned.


This.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 06:51 GMT 
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Yeah, I'm not that hyped either. That track list doesn't look like it would make for a very exciting listening experience. I guess the whole thing is best approached with a kind of 'historical' interest? I mean, it can be great fun to listen to Dylan at work in the studio..


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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I think you will find that it's £40 for the MP3 version..........no price for the 5cd set yet.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 07:49 GMT 
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Mark Loveland wrote:
Looks like the 2cd doesn't have the alternate "4th time around". Think this version had Charlie McCoy on harmonica...
Looks like the 6cd version is way to go.


Right, although I believe it was harmonium, not harmonica


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 08:58 GMT 
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effort wrote:

Right, although I believe it was harmonium, not harmonica


According to Roger Ford's invaluable website "electric Dylan"

http://www.rdf.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Blonde.htm

some pressings (only vinyl) have a version of Fourth Time Around with the harmonium on it. Blonde On Blonde indeed has many incarnations with different mono and stereo mixes. So at one stage the harmonium was mixed out. Fact was, the harmonium and the drums have been recorded on the very same audio track. I can't recall if Dylan (or whoever) has been discontent with the drums or with the harmonium, but the drums part was cut again, this time without the harmonium, and was then used for a new mix, which was released eventually.

Because of a number of pressing plants in differen countries this process of providing them with the "right" mixes was somewhat caotic, which resulted in the many different mixing version of Blonde On Blonde. Fourth time around wasn't the only track remixed, but the only with an instrument mixed out.

To make it clear: There is no different take of Fourth Time Around, only a different mix. So it's not clear to me, if BS 12 comes with an unreleased take or not.

Olof Björner lists 20 takes of FTA with take 20 beeing the one released, whereas take 11 is said to be the one here on BS12.

Can be the case, can be not the case.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 08:59 GMT 

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amazon.co.uk has some snippets:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cutting-Edge-19 ... +series+12


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 10:09 GMT 
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ISIS appear to indicate it's going to be all studio material and no live recordings:

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there is no real information regarding the 18-CD set, other than it is coming and will contain everything that Bob Dylan did in the studio in 1965 and ’66.


http://www.bobdylanisis.com/dylan-digest


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 10:18 GMT 
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Johanna Parker wrote:
ISIS appear to indicate it's going to be all studio material and no live recordings:

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there is no real information regarding the 18-CD set, other than it is coming and will contain everything that Bob Dylan did in the studio in 1965 and ’66.


http://www.bobdylanisis.com/dylan-digest


According Olofs files and Heylin 90% of the missing tracks from the 6CD set were false starts, snippets and fragments. I wonder how they get 12 CDs full of short snippets.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
PostPosted: Thu September 24th, 2015, 10:23 GMT 
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It seems that most or all of the complete and nearly complete takes are in the 6CD set.
False starts often only few seconds but a take
There are three possibilites:
1. We didn't know about 12 hours unknown Studio material
2. There are mostly or only live Shows in the 18CDbox (Yes I know what Isis said, but they don't know either)


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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Wasn't really too excited about this but then I heard the alt take of It Takes a Lot to Laugh available at ITunes and it is pretty darn good...


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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Maria wrote:
(Yes I know what Isis said, but they don't know either)


Or they were merely asked not to publish their information yet.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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Can anyone clarify some of the terminology used here? What is the difference between a 'take', a 'remake' and a 'master take'?


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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ISIS don't say the 18 CD release will not contain live material - just that it will include all the studio recordings.

Best Guess is that the 18CD set is to avoid the need to issue a European Copyright Extension set for 1965 (and possibly 1966 as well) and will include all available live recordings.

This is presumably why this has been bumped up over the Blood On The Tracks .


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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Arkady wrote:
Can anyone clarify some of the terminology used here? What is the difference between a 'take', a 'remake' and a 'master take'?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take

Take is every snippet, false start, complete Performance etc....
Every single new start even when the false start takes 1 second gets a new takenumber.

Remake: I'm not exactly sure about that

Master Take is usually the take which was used for the final cut. There could be one or more.


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 Post subject: Re: The Cutting Edge
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Maria wrote:
Arkady wrote:
Can anyone clarify some of the terminology used here? What is the difference between a 'take', a 'remake' and a 'master take'?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take

Take is every snippet, false start, complete Performance etc....
Every single new start even when the false start takes 1 second gets a new takenumber.

Remake: I'm not exactly sure about that

Master Take is usually the take which was used for the final cut. There could be one or more.


Yeah, it's 'remake' that has me confused. And disc 3 takes 17-20 all seem to have been Master Takes for LARS, which I thought was a single take.


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