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Should Bob to abandon his current format and go back to barking out varied, pre-2013 setlists?
Yes 51%  51%  [ 38 ]
No 49%  49%  [ 36 ]
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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 15:29 GMT 

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I'm pretty sure that most will say "no", although I'm interested in hearing dissenting opinions.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 15:39 GMT 
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No. The current format - from technical sound, to presentation of the songs and even the piss break in the middle - all play to his strengths. The spinning wheel of setlist randomness is only fun when the songs themselves are enjoyably performed, and mostly he doesn't have the firepower any more to pull it off like he used to, say, 15 years ago.

You only have to listen to those Rome shows from 2013 to realise that - ropey as hell.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 16:44 GMT 

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The current set up IMO is boring and predictable. I miss the game of Russian roulette that was Dylan Concerts. I have seen him at his best, and his worst, and often they were in the same concert. I miss that :)


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 18:01 GMT 
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No, and especially since, from 2010, the setlists were actually pretty predictable but still suffered from inconsistency and unsatisfying performances. People seem to present the pre-2013 years as a roulette wheel of ever-changing songs and sets. It really wasn't. Highway 61 blighted every show, along with the predictable Thunder-Rolling Stone-Thin Man-Watchtower ending. There was like 3 wild card slots, all featuring mostly songs from Love and Theft or Modern Times.

I'm happy with the new direction the shows have taken.

The last unpredictable year was 2009 - and only really the opening leg in Europe which featured Billy and One More Cup of Coffee.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 18:11 GMT 

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Oneofusmustknow wrote:
No, and especially since, from 2010, the setlists were actually pretty predictable but still suffered from inconsistency and unsatisfying performances. People seem to present the pre-2013 years as a roulette wheel of ever-changing songs and sets. It really wasn't. Highway 61 blighted every show, along with the predictable Thunder-Rolling Stone-Thin Man-Watchtower ending. There was like 3 wild card slots, all featuring mostly songs from Love and Theft or Modern Times.

I'm happy with the new direction the shows have taken.

The last unpredictable year was 2009 - and only really the opening leg in Europe which featured Billy and One More Cup of Coffee.


That's a reasonable point, although I'm flipping through a few 2010 setlists right now and they seem like a pretty good mix to me. I even saw a Tambourine Man...didn't realize Bob was still playing it then.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 18:19 GMT 
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The music's much better now, but the live setlist discussions were more exciting before.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 19:39 GMT 

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No. The current format - from technical sound, to presentation of the songs and even the piss break in the middle - all play to his strengths. The spinning wheel of setlist randomness is only fun when the songs themselves are enjoyably performed, and mostly he doesn't have the firepower any more to pull it off like he used to, say, 15 years ago.

You only have to listen to those Rome shows from 2013 to realise that - ropey as hell.


Yes - it was interesting to hear how inferior the Rome vocals were compared to those at the shows with the usual set. Kind of a trip back into the pre-2013 days: less focused, more slipshod, some decent moments but not sustained over the course of a whole song, etc.

A new static set - hopefully as carefully sculpted and crafted as the first one - would be an interesting move.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 21:21 GMT 
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ain't nothing like standing in a muddy rainy ballpark watching Bob


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 21:24 GMT 
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Heck yes!


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 21:27 GMT 

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Wow. The "yeas" are taking this. That comes as a genuine surprise to me. How much of this has to do with the live setlist threads? When I put this poll together, I was thinking more in terms of actually attending or listening to shows.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 21:56 GMT 
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How about Bob throws a little more of the pre-fixed set variance with his current focus and cleaner pipes?


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 22:05 GMT 
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I'm surprised too.

People are still under some sort of illusion that pre-2013 was like 1989-1992 or something :) It wasn't that varied from 2006-onwards, and especially from 2009-onwards.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 22:09 GMT 

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yopietro wrote:
How about Bob throws a little more of the pre-fixed set variance with his current focus and cleaner pipes?

im a bit low on sleep, and when i read 'cleaner pipes', i pictured pipe cleaners. i was pretty confused.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 22:14 GMT 
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I loved the fun of those late 1990s and early 2000s shows but I also like how Bob is being very deliberate with the set list, vocals and band now. While each has its place Bob has chosen wisely at this point.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 23:04 GMT 
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yopietro wrote:
How about Bob throws a little more of the pre-fixed set variance with his current focus and cleaner pipes?

I would think a middle ground would be easy to find, using material that suits his current style, but I think making the point that Bob Dylan now is a different kind of artist is more important to him than pleasing the setlist watchers.

To answer the OP's question, if I could only hear or see one show in 2015 I'd go with whatever revamped static set he comes up with to feature SITN. As someone who considers listening to a dozen or more shows each year to be perfectly reasonable I'd happily take my chances with more variety.


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PostPosted: Tue March 17th, 2015, 23:20 GMT 
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I wasn't aware that he had briefly gone back to the previous style when in Rome, so I looked up some videos. From what I can tell, there's not really a noticeable difference in quality overall - though maybe a song or two don't really fit with his current musical and vocal stylings.

Personally, I would enjoy more variety. I like the element of surprise that comes with not knowing what you're in for, and anyway, why limit yourself to only a few songs when you have so very many to choose from?


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 00:26 GMT 
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The years with over 100 songs in the set lists were among the most interesting and fun. Some feel the quality of the sound and performance of the most recent tours justify keeping it short and simple but quite frankly, the quality isn't that much better. Without the dreadful circus organ, he puts on the best shows in the business.

I'm still awaiting the unveiling of Christmas In the Heart LIVE!!!


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 09:54 GMT 
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The setlist and SITN have been my biggest low in my few short years following bob, i just find it very boring, both the set and this new style. Thats just my opinion, i wonder if its an age thing. Yes id go back to rockin bluesy bob anytime.


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 10:09 GMT 

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I think the pre-2013 (or really pre-2009) setlist was more fun to follow from afar, reading live setlist-threads here on ER and whatnot. But I think the shows are more fun to watch as an audience nowadays. So... I vote no.


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 10:20 GMT 
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The reasons would be more revealing than a simple yes / no poll. Like, do / did you go to a lot of shows actually, or do / did you listen to lots of live recordings, or do / did you follow the tours online (Pool, live setlists, etc.)? Are you bored with the repetition or pleased with the higher standard (*cough*) of the performances?


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 11:56 GMT 

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Can someone explain why I should draw that "static setlist" line in 2010? Bob's setlists had been growing more static for years by 2013, but clearly THAT was the year the bottom finally fell out and truly static setlists were introduced.


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PostPosted: Wed March 18th, 2015, 22:21 GMT 
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I like the stuff I've heard from 2014 better than pretty much any show I heard between 2005 and 2013 I gotta say. The Grand Prarie, Texas show from 2012 has a special place in my heart because I was actually there for that one (I'm glad that it's also one of the most praised bootlegs from that year as well), but for the most part you'd have to go back quite a long way from 2014 to find an era of Live Bob that I enjoyed more.

I only heard a handful of songs from 2013.


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PostPosted: Thu March 19th, 2015, 02:16 GMT 
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Only if his show was exactly like the '68 Guthrie Memorial

Also to what was said, I enjoy "The Set". Listening to the show I went to on a good pair of headphones makes me really appreciate it much more than I did when I heard it live. Even songs I overlooked in RI are starting to settle with me and I enjoy in its entirety (Kudos again GoodniteSteve!)


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PostPosted: Thu March 19th, 2015, 13:47 GMT 

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You first.


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