Expecting Rain
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/

What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?
http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=77837
Page 6 of 7

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Sun December 17th, 2017, 19:19 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

mjmooney wrote:
The beach was deserted, all the way to the sea
A piece of an old ship, it lay on the shore
When I needed your help, well you came through for me
You gave me a map, and a key to your door



Talk about clunky. At very least, 'well' should be dropped, it's redundant.

The last line works (Dylan's) it's a model of economy.

Author:  mjmooney [ Sun December 17th, 2017, 19:23 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Ain't Talkin' wrote:
mjmooney wrote:
The beach was deserted, all the way to the sea
A piece of an old ship, it lay on the shore
When I needed your help, well you came through for me
You gave me a map, and a key to your door



Talk about clunky. At very least, 'well' should be dropped, it's redundant.
Of course it is. I'm not Bob Dylan (when he was concentrating). But it's stll better than 'kelp/help'.

Author:  AndoDoug [ Mon December 18th, 2017, 04:54 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Quote:
he wouldn't have settled for effin' 'kelp'. It was the start of a period where sloppiness began to creep more and more into his songwriting.
Funny to think of an actual glop of kelp getting slimed into his hitherto smooth running canon - it's all downhill from hither. And yon.

Author:  RichardW [ Mon December 18th, 2017, 21:56 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Lone Pilgrim wrote:
I haven't closely read the whole, long thread, but a scan reveals it to be a mishmash of genuinely objectionable rhymes (e.g., "kelp/help" - an OK rhyme as such, but my laws, nobody should be allowed to write "the beach is deserted except for some kelp" :lol:; "can you cook and sew/make flowers grow" etc.) and then some that are really rather charming.

It beats me how anyone can slag the last verse of "Spirit on the Water," for instance. Or, "a gal named Honey/took my money/she was passin' by" - sure, the money/honey rhyme is hackneyed, but the net effect of the verse is a marvelously compact depiction of the classic dilemma: boy meets girl, boy spends money on girl, girl buggers off. :wink: That's neatly done, especially when matched with Bob's inimitiable delivery.

Then there's a bundle of outrageous rhymes. E.g., "outrageous/contagious," "January/Buenos Aires," "sons of bitches/orphanages," "subpoena/Angelina," etc., etc.. One part of Bob's toolkit is this willingness to bolt together two words that nobody else would dare to. There's a sly humour to such rhymes, and calling them "bad" strikes me as a bit ungenerous. "Fun" might be closer to the mark.

Conversely, the sort of thing that bugs me is ponderous rhymes. For instance, "breath" and "death" are a hard combo to get away with ("sleep is like a temporary death" being a rare weak link in that otherwise wonderful song). "I dreamt of my future wife" is a great line, but its partner - "this version of death called life" - is one wince-inducing renegade that almost kiboshes the whole tune. "Strife/life" is another pair of evil fraternal twins, inflicting harm on "When the Deal Goes Down" and "Red River Shore;" whether the context is adequate to save these songs from the resulting carnage is for each listener to judge.

But basically, I'm surprised by some of the candidates offered in this thread, as their nomination seems to show a distaste for some of Bob's most characteristic moments as an artist.


Excellent post. The whole point of a song like Angelina is the outrageous rhyming - that's what the song is about and as such it is brilliant.

The ones I hate are the ones where Dylan seems to be taking terrible rhyming seriously, e.g. "No Time To Think". He has nothing whatever to say, but is using meaningless rhymes in place of thought.

However I think the winner (or loser) in the end has to be the couplet Alouette quotes from Joey. This is so bad I feel my eyeballs shrivelling as I read:

they let him out in '71 he'd lost a little weight
But he dressed like Jimmy Cagney and I swear he did look great


This is pure McGonagall.

Author:  AndoDoug [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 00:07 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

xongsmith wrote:
though they murdered 6 million, in the ovens they fried,
the Germans now too have God On Their Side
yuck
- nate
I guess this is the kind of clunker that drove him to write more speculative.

Author:  yopietro [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 01:23 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

AndoDoug wrote:
xongsmith wrote:
though they murdered 6 million, in the ovens they fried,
the Germans now too have God On Their Side
yuck
- nate
I guess this is the kind of clunker that drove him to write more speculative.


That line is far from a clunker.

Author:  panther [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 12:16 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

He could have altered the lyrics:

Though they murdered 6 million, in the ovens they gassed
The Germans now, too, have cars that go really fast

Author:  Matt Blacks [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 13:12 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

... When the judge sent me down the road with your subpoena
rhyming with Angelina

I love all the other crazy rhymes on Angelina, but this one is terrible.

Author:  Alouette [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 13:30 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

RichardW wrote:
..However I think the winner (or loser) in the end has to be the couplet Alouette quotes from Joey. This is so bad I feel my eyeballs shrivelling as I read:

they let him out in '71 he'd lost a little weight
But he dressed like Jimmy Cagney and I swear he did look great


This is pure McGonagall.


Hi RichardW
it's nice to agree !! :)

Author:  Flashman [ Tue December 19th, 2017, 17:51 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Highlands
blow my top/ pawn shop
It grates every time I hear it.

Author:  LionelM [ Wed December 20th, 2017, 01:46 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Alouette wrote:
I think coca cola / gondola is excellent rhyme !! :D

song is a masterpiece, perfect or close to it


I can’t find it, but I’m pretty certain I’ve heard John Prine single this out as one of his favorite rhymes. I like it, too.

Author:  Matt Blacks [ Wed December 20th, 2017, 15:15 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

LionelM wrote:
I can’t find it, but I’m pretty certain I’ve heard John Prine single this out as one of his favorite rhymes. I like it, too.

It is, indeed, a very John Prine-esque rhyme.

Author:  Mail Train [ Sun December 24th, 2017, 05:50 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Tibet/Forget

Author:  dylanswife [ Sun December 24th, 2017, 09:51 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

I don't know if it was mentioned, but for me it's the glove line from thunder on the mountain.

Bob also used fit me like a glove on When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky.

He's getting up there and repeating himself.

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Sat December 30th, 2017, 19:06 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Thought of this today, not a rhyme but "the snow was outrageous" is a pretty bad line in Isis. Was it, Bob? Was the snow outrageous?

Author:  LionelM [ Sun December 31st, 2017, 03:39 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Anr Bjotk wrote:
Thought of this today, not a rhyme but "the snow was outrageous" is a pretty bad line in Isis. Was it, Bob? Was the snow outrageous?


The song has a melodramatic tone (accentuated in live performances) and, while “outrageous” is a strange descriptor for snow, I like the way it lands within the context of the lyric.

Author:  Ain't Talkin' [ Sun December 31st, 2017, 05:17 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Instead of 'outrageous' maybe 'the snow was the flakiest' would have been a good rhyme, like listening to Christmas In the Heart all throughout the year.

Author:  Giuseppe Gazerro [ Sun December 31st, 2017, 09:29 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Anr Bjotk wrote:
Thought of this today, not a rhyme but "the snow was outrageous" is a pretty bad line in Isis. Was it, Bob? Was the snow outrageous?



I won't discuss the *beauty* of the verse - I'd love Isis if it were sung in Turkish - but the weather is often referred to as *outrageous*; and single atmospheric events as well.

Author:  Giuseppe Gazerro [ Sun December 31st, 2017, 09:36 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Ain't Talkin' wrote:
Instead of 'outrageous' maybe 'the snow was the flakiest' would have been a good rhyme, like listening to Christmas In the Heart all throughout the year.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Anr Bjotk [ Sun December 31st, 2017, 10:35 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Ain't Talkin' wrote:
Instead of 'outrageous' maybe 'the snow was the flakiest' would have been a good rhyme, like listening to Christmas In the Heart all throughout the year.


Then again, it wouldn't have rhymed with contagious. And with that we might just have the worst rhyme:

(...) the snow was outrageous
when he died I was hoping it wasn't contagious.

Author:  Ghost Of Lectricity [ Thu January 4th, 2018, 06:39 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

sky - cry - died

around - frowns- clowns

vacuum of his eyes - vacuum of his eyes ( Isle Of Wight '69)

Author:  Drake [ Fri January 5th, 2018, 22:23 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Matt Blacks wrote:
... When the judge sent me down the road with your subpoena
rhyming with Angelina

I love all the other crazy rhymes on Angelina, but this one is terrible.

Wrong, Matt.
It’s such an audacious and outright brilliant rhyme that when you hear it, you know there’s only one guy on the planet who has the chutzpah, the f-in balls, to even try.

Author:  a blade of grass [ Sat January 6th, 2018, 00:25 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

With a pain that stops and starts / Like a corkscrew to my heart (from You're A Big Girl Now)
Certainly not his worst rhyme, but really the only one that ever bothers me, because it's a blemish on an otherwise perfect side A.
To me it never feels like this rhyme belongs there.

Author:  Mr.Frank [ Sat January 6th, 2018, 12:38 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Pretty Peggy-O
Borneo

Author:  Mr.Frank [ Sat January 6th, 2018, 16:49 GMT ]
Post subject:  Re: What's the Worst Rhyme in a Bob Dylan Song?

Well, i don´t think he is using the word "Borneo" in Pretty Peggy-O,
but i have read somewhere that back then - ca.1961 - they had fun
with finding all kinds of Words that could rhyme with Peggy-O, and
one was something like - the man from Borne-O.

Page 6 of 7 All times are UTC
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
https://www.phpbb.com/