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PostPosted: Thu April 17th, 2014, 21:50 GMT 
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Williamson wrote:
Hmmm, couple of quick comments.
Re: vinyl v CD as was being discussed. I've got a good turntable and a good CD player, good sounds from both. Early CD versions (from back in the 80s) of, for example, Blonde On Blonde or Harvest are complete bobbins in terms of sound quality and as a general rule vinyl pressings from the same era beat them hands down every time. Only re-mastered CDs compare in terms of playback and even then, played through a decent system vinyl still sounds better to me.


No, that's not true. Re-mastered only means re-mastered - not necessarily "better." The old 1980's Reprise CD of Harvest sounds very good, like the old Columbia CD of John Wesley Harding. Probably because they didn't funk around with it too much.


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PostPosted: Thu April 17th, 2014, 22:11 GMT 

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You may find exceptions to the rule regarding the comparable qualities of vinyl and the first wave of CDs, but my view is the generally accepted opinion amongst audiophile anoraks. Either way I'm still not buying Sidetracks!


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PostPosted: Thu April 17th, 2014, 23:00 GMT 
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Williamson wrote:
You may find exceptions to the rule regarding the comparable qualities of vinyl and the first wave of CDs, but my view is the generally accepted opinion amongst audiophile anoraks. Either way I'm still not buying Sidetracks!


Oh, sure. I tend toward being a vinyl gal myself - but it's in the mastering - and in the case of vinyl, also, cutting. Especially when we're talking about huge selling records like those of Dylan and Neil Young. So many variables.


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PostPosted: Thu April 17th, 2014, 23:08 GMT 
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Williamson wrote:
Either way I'm still not buying Sidetracks!

I thought the whole point of buying 'Sidetracks' was not to actually break the seal & listen to it. :?:
Everything on it is available elsewhere, keep it as an artifact, possibly to sell in 20 years time.


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PostPosted: Fri April 18th, 2014, 06:57 GMT 
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Williamson wrote:
Either way I'm still not buying Sidetracks!

I thought the whole point of buying 'Sidetracks' was not to actually break the seal & listen to it. :?:
Everything on it is available elsewhere, keep it as an artifact, possibly to sell in 20 years time.


I did well then.... :lol:

Any further info yet on the debut album release?


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PostPosted: Fri April 18th, 2014, 07:09 GMT 

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Williamson wrote:
You may find exceptions to the rule regarding the comparable qualities of vinyl and the first wave of CDs, but my view is the generally accepted opinion amongst audiophile anoraks. Either way I'm still not buying Sidetracks!


Oh, sure. I tend toward being a vinyl gal myself - but it's in the mastering - and in the case of vinyl, also, cutting. Especially when we're talking about huge selling records like those of Dylan and Neil Young. So many variables.


Indeed. The many variables of vinyl. Even just talking those shiny black discs gets me a little excited. I really need therapy.... :)


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PostPosted: Sat April 19th, 2014, 22:01 GMT 

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The record store I went to today for RSD had out 3 copies of Side Tracks, unsold from last year.


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 18:36 GMT 
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So can anyone tell me if Side tracks contains all the extra/unreleased material from Greatest hits vols. 1, 2 and 3 and Biograph?
I checked track lists but I´m not sure it totally replaces all of those, specially when it comes to possible different versions of certain songs.
I don´t have any of the above, so would like to know if Side tracks gets me everything. I see it was originally meant to be a limited release but amazon has it still available and at a good price!


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 19:26 GMT 
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So can anyone tell me if Side tracks contains all the extra/unreleased material from Greatest hits vols. 1, 2 and 3 and Biograph?
I checked track lists but I´m not sure it totally replaces all of those, specially when it comes to possible different versions of certain songs.
I don´t have any of the above, so would like to know if Side tracks gets me everything. I see it was originally meant to be a limited release but amazon has it still available and at a good price!


Yes, it does.
You still miss some unreleased (or released otherwise, rather) tracks.
But those which were unreleased in GH2 and Biograph are all there.

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan:_The_Complete_Album_Collection_Vol._One#Disc_two


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 20:07 GMT 
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Thanks, Giuseppe.
What about George Jackson, though? I see in Side tracks it´s the acoustic version, but I believe in Biograph or maybe greatest hits there is a big band version?
And Mixed up confusion? Same version in both?


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PostPosted: Sat October 14th, 2017, 20:18 GMT 
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wormington wrote:
Thanks, Giuseppe.
What about George Jackson, though? I see in Side tracks it´s the acoustic version, but I believe in Biograph or maybe greatest hits there is a big band version?
And Mixed up confusion? Same version in both?


George Jackson is the same version.
The big band version has been released only on *Masterpieces*.
In Biograph and Side Tracks is the acoustic version.

Mixed-Up Confusion is actually a different mix (though of the very same cut, at least to my ears).
In Biograph there's a harmonica which is not in the Side Tracks version.


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PostPosted: Sun October 15th, 2017, 19:18 GMT 
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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
wormington wrote:
Thanks, Giuseppe.
What about George Jackson, though? I see in Side tracks it´s the acoustic version, but I believe in Biograph or maybe greatest hits there is a big band version?
And Mixed up confusion? Same version in both?


George Jackson is the same version.
The big band version has been released only on *Masterpieces*.
In Biograph and Side Tracks is the acoustic version.

Mixed-Up Confusion is actually a different mix (though of the very same cut, at least to my ears).
In Biograph there's a harmonica which is not in the Side Tracks version.

Thank you, sir. It seems that I don´t need Biograph in the end. Which doesn´t mean I won´t buy it, of course. Specially since it´s available in amazon at the sexy price of 16 EUR


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wormington wrote:
Thank you, sir. It seems that I don´t need Biograph in the end. Which doesn´t mean I won´t buy it, of course. Specially since it´s available in amazon at the sexy price of 16 EUR


Do not *don't* buy Biograph, please.
Biograph is a spectacular release, were it only for the glorious package.

For what it's worth, Biograph is one of the landmarks highlighting my Dylan journey.
After Tambourine in 69 (the day I discovered it)
I've got Hurricane-Desire (76).
Then Jokerman (83).
Then Biograph (86).
Then the Bootleg Series (91).

Buy it; it's a marvellous compilation.


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 13:34 GMT 
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Alright. since it clearly means so much to you, I shall buy it :wink:
What about "Masterpieces"? Do I need that one too? I believe it´s out of print...


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 13:59 GMT 
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Alright. since it clearly means so much to you, I shall buy it :wink:
What about "Masterpieces"? Do I need that one too? I believe it´s out of print...


No, Masterpieces is essential, if you want all the *released* stuff.

There are songs not to be found elsewhere.
(George Jackson *big band*, for instance)

Check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpieces_(Bob_Dylan_album)


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 14:22 GMT 
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Mmmmh. It appears to me that the only one that is on Masterpieces and not on any other releases is (apart from G. Jackson alternative version) Rita May. Which btw, I´m not sure I´ve ever heard.
The rest all seems pretty standard stuff


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 14:26 GMT 
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Forgive my intrusion, sirs... but George Jackson is not on Biograph at all. It is only on Masterpieces in its big band version.

Just something to consider when purchasing.


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 14:30 GMT 
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Rimshottbob wrote:
Forgive my intrusion, sirs... but George Jackson is not on Biograph at all. It is only on Masterpieces in its big band version.

Just something to consider when purchasing.

Who said it´s on Biograph? Was it me? Probably. No, it looks like it´s on Masterpieces AND Side tracks, different versions.

I´m already lost and confused. I think I´ll just buy everything to be on the safe side.


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 14:35 GMT 
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Rimshottbob wrote:
Forgive my intrusion, sirs... but George Jackson is not on Biograph at all. It is only on Masterpieces in its big band version.

Just something to consider when purchasing.


I stand corrected.
You're right.

The acoustic version is only on Side Tracks.
The big band version is only on Masterpieces.

Thank you, mate!


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 15:37 GMT 
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No worries!

The catalogue is a confusing mess in lots of areas... seems there could be one brilliant mega-release to hoover up every stray and alternate track throughout Dylan's career. That would be a fantastic prospect.


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PostPosted: Mon October 16th, 2017, 15:42 GMT 
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Giuseppe Gazerro wrote:
Rimshottbob wrote:
Forgive my intrusion, sirs... but George Jackson is not on Biograph at all. It is only on Masterpieces in its big band version.

Just something to consider when purchasing.


I stand corrected.
You're right.

The acoustic version is only on Side Tracks.
The big band version is only on Masterpieces.

Thank you, mate!


They are conveniently available on the same vinyl 45, however.


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I have heard that George Jackson ( big band version) on Masterpieces CD is badly distorted. anybody know if so and how bad?


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 22:03 GMT 
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I have heard that George Jackson ( big band version) on Masterpieces CD is badly distorted. anybody know if so and how bad?


Just checked out my copy.

Yes, the highs on vocals (both Bob's and backing singers') are too high.
I had never noticed.
:o

Thanks for poiting it out.


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