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PostPosted: Wed September 18th, 2013, 19:08 GMT 

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She promised to meet him at Adams' Spring
Expecting some money or some other fine things

No money, no money to flatter the case
We'll have to get married so there'll be no disgrace

So jump you up Omie, and away we will ride
To yonder fair country and I'll make you my bride

She jumped up behind him and away they did go
to yonder far country where the deep waters flow

Now jump you down Omie and I'll telly my mind
My mind is to drowned you and to leave you behind

Oh no, oh no, please don't take my life
Oh I will deny you and I'll not be your wife

But he kicked and he cuffed her to the worst understand
And he threw her in deep water that flows through the land

They found the poor body the following day
Run up on the river on the banks full of clay

And up spoke her mother with a voice such a-sting
No one but John Lewis could have done such a thing

They traced him up the river to Dutch Charlie's bend
Where they found him in jail for killing a man

Go hang him, go hang him was the mother's command
Through him in deep water that flows through the land

Go hang him, go hang him was the judge's command
Through him in deep water that flows through the land

In July 1961, Bob had become part of an all-day hootenanny at Manhattan's Riverside Church and was to be broadcast live on the radio. Dylan shared the stage with Dave Van Ronk, Reverend Gary Davis, Tom Paxton & Ramblin Jack....
He sang a short set of (almost all) Woody covers and all were amazing and some never heard again. This murder ballad based on a true story, my favorite song from that set, is one such song....

Bob claims he got this song from Woody Guthrie, but chances are, he could have just as easily heard it from Doc Watson who had performed it since he was a young man when he learned it from his mother.
Watson relates the plot of the song as that of "Naomi Wise, a little orphan girl, was being brought up by Squire Adams, a gent who had a pretty good name in the community as a morally decent human being. Omie, however, was seeing a ne'er-do-well[disambiguation needed] named John Lewis, who never meant anything about anything serious, except some of his meanness. John Lewis courted the girl, seemingly until she became pregnant, and he decided that he'd get rid of her in some secret sort of way. He persuaded her to skip off with him and get married, then pushed her into the water and drowned her. Everyone knew that he had been mean to Omie, and when the body was taken out of the water, there was evidence that she had been beaten quite a lot."

Here's Doc Watson's:
http://youtu.be/wL2OM9WcWDI

...and here's young Bob's from that day:
http://youtu.be/7qMjMJMAIs0

What do we all think of this little gem from the early days???


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PostPosted: Wed September 18th, 2013, 20:43 GMT 
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he could have just as easily heard it from

Grayson & Whittier in the 1920s, Clarence Ashley, Coon Creek Girls in the 30s...


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PostPosted: Wed September 18th, 2013, 23:26 GMT 

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Chilling cover by Bob.


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PostPosted: Thu September 19th, 2013, 03:15 GMT 

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Why has this never been officially released?

Alongside songs such as Hezekiah Jones and Lonesome Whistle Blows, this should have been on the original Bootleg Series. I actually hope for another release that spans different time periods (too much early acoustic stuff does my head in a bit, but the best of it, in relatively small doses, is great).

The Witmark demos were a disappointment to me compared to stuff like this.


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PostPosted: Thu September 19th, 2013, 15:20 GMT 

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I've never heard of Naomie Wise. . .The first murder ballad I ever heard was "Pretty Polly" by Doc Boggs.

I don't write murder ballads and don't much care to listen to them. But to my surprise, the ghost of "Pretty Polly" appeared one day when I was playing the chorus of one of my own songs! Thankfully, Polly's ghost is not a menacing presence in my song -- but the dynamics of the music have certainly changed because of her.

Only recently did I learn that earliest known version of "Pretty Polly" ("The Gosport Tragedy" written in 1750) include lyrics of her returning as a ghost figure.


http://www.lizlyle.lofgrens.org/RmOlSng ... Polly.html


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PostPosted: Fri September 20th, 2013, 00:46 GMT 
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Bob was a lotta fun during this era, even when he was covering murder ballads.
Poor Naomie Wise...


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PostPosted: Fri September 20th, 2013, 15:25 GMT 

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Brairy Rose wrote:
I've never heard of Naomie Wise. . .The first murder ballad I ever heard was "Pretty Polly" by Doc Boggs.

I don't write murder ballads and don't much care to listen to them. But to my surprise, the ghost of "Pretty Polly" appeared one day when I was playing the chorus of one of my own songs! Thankfully, Polly's ghost is not a menacing presence in my song -- but the dynamics of the music have certainly changed because of her.

Only recently did I learn that earliest known version of "Pretty Polly" ("The Gosport Tragedy" written in 1750) include lyrics of her returning as a ghost figure.


http://www.lizlyle.lofgrens.org/RmOlSng ... Polly.html


In case my above post is too spooky or was misunderstood. . ."Pretty Polly" was not standing over my shoulder as a ghostly vision.

Rather she was an apparition of a kind, that unexpectedly surfaced when playing an instrumental section of a song I wrote.

"Naomie Wise" and "Pretty Polly" are sister songs.


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