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Author:  Nate8 [ Fri January 25th, 2013, 13:28 GMT ]
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Thanks for all of the good info. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for outtakes being officially released.

Author:  goombay [ Sat January 26th, 2013, 04:24 GMT ]
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just about all the TOOM suff worth listening has been released. a lot of stuff that bob deemed no good was erased.
however video exists of the sessions, shot by lanois brother. who has at this point i dont know.

bob hated the stuff recorded at the teatro theatre thats why he booked outta there and called a whole bunch of his peeps to miami.

the funniest thing is that lanois hated robillard the most, and he may end up getting the gig. :D

Author:  Matt_77 [ Tue January 17th, 2017, 18:30 GMT ]
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workingmanblues wrote:
ProletariatBuyingPower wrote:
Justin is right, Shake Sugaree from the TOOM sessions was on some kind of promotional working tracklist for Tell Tale Signs that also had TV Talkin' Song and Polly Vaughn. I always thought the longer version of Highlands was one of those apocryphal "oh that Bob" stories, but who knows.


I never saw that tracklist. If you find it, please post a link.


Tv talkin song (utrs outtake)
Rise again (Wgw outtake)
Po' boy (acoustic demo, 2000)
Polly Vaughan (utrs unreleased)
Lonesome day blues (incomplete alternate)
Shake Sugaree (toom unreleased)
Not dark yet (alternate)
Somebody touch me (portsmouth 2000)
Things have changed (alternate)
Everything is broken (mtv unplugged outtake)
??? (bonaroo 2004)
??? (An unreleased m&a song "standing on the doorway"???)
Things have changed (portsmouth 2000)
Delia (Supperclub)

And a couple of other tracks.

Author:  my precious time [ Tue January 17th, 2017, 18:46 GMT ]
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Great thread! Reading about a longer version Highlands makes me hope it exists and I can one day hear it.
Also, I wonder if DyLanois have produced an even longer song during the rumored new studio sessions.

goombay wrote:
the funniest thing is that lanois hated robillard the most, and he may end up getting the gig. :D
I guess this is even funnier now. :wink:

Author:  Nate8 [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 03:36 GMT ]
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oldfan wrote:
the longer version is about 26 minutes....contains another scene like the boston restaurant....it circulates


Bump

Where can we hear this?

Author:  kuddukan [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 04:42 GMT ]
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Nate8 wrote:
oldfan wrote:
the longer version is about 26 minutes....contains another scene like the boston restaurant....it circulates


Bump

Where can we hear this?



I've never heard it, nor seen proof of it. Just because "it circulates" does not mean that the unwashed masses have access. Maybe oldfan means this is a private collector item.

Author:  chrome horse [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 13:55 GMT ]
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Isn't Shake Sugaree a Dead song?

Author:  Alouette [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 13:58 GMT ]
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Shake Sugaree written by Elizabeth Cotten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ViAIdO3i4

Author:  smoke [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 14:19 GMT ]
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The version on Soul is the bomb...

I thought I read that Highlands was done to a loop? Maybe they had jammed it out first? At any rate I imagine the extra runtime is just a lot of noodling. I think the comment about the extra was a joke.

Author:  Yellowgoat [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 16:28 GMT ]
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innercities wrote:
I googled for the Oxnard sessions and found an article about engineer Mark Howard and his Time out of Mind story. He mentions a live show he mixed for Bob prior to that album, where they worked out a certain manipulated sound that later was used on Time Out Of Mind:


http://www.uncut.co.uk/bob-dylan/bob-dy ... -interview

Is this recording known to anybody?
The whole text is a really great read, by the way.



The thing you get from all these interviews with the sound engineers/crew is just how intimidated everyone was by Dylan. And he clearly dislikes that, playing up to it, almost daring someone to have the guts to stand up to him.

I wonder what Oh Mercy and (particularly) TOOM would have turned out like had the producer exerted a little more control over Dylan's mick-taking. "No, I'm not playing that song like that ever again". "I can't record here...let's go to Miami". "I'm not putting more than ten songs on the album". Deciding to put on extra instruments after the mixing was finished. Etc etc. There's not much point utilising a producer if the inmates are in charge of the asylum, as Neil Young's producer once said.

The ironic thing is that (as Mark notes in the above interview) on occasions when Lanois did lose his cool and stand up to Bob, he immediately became a lot more friendly and co-operative.

Author:  Yellowgoat [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 16:39 GMT ]
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smoke wrote:
The version on Soul is the bomb...

I thought I read that Highlands was done to a loop? Maybe they had jammed it out first? At any rate I imagine the extra runtime is just a lot of noodling. I think the comment about the extra was a joke.


I think that the basic drum track is a loop, at least, but the rest of it is played live over the top of the loop. If that makes sense.

Author:  summerteeth [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 17:01 GMT ]
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Spent some time searching for torrents of the Oxnard tape way back when -- found nothing.
Time to try again?

Author:  115th [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 17:02 GMT ]
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Alouette wrote:
Shake Sugaree written by Elizabeth Cotten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1ViAIdO3i4


I like the version from Rhiannon Giddens. :D

Author:  summerteeth [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 17:09 GMT ]
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You can hear a version by Elizabeth Cotten and her granddaughter on Theme Time Radio Hour #93 (same version as the clip above?)
Compelling.

Author:  summerteeth [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 17:19 GMT ]
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TTRH #93 - 05
https://goo.gl/4YWCcw

Author:  Nate8 [ Wed March 1st, 2017, 17:35 GMT ]
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I've never heard it, nor seen proof of it. Just because "it circulates" does not mean that the unwashed masses have access. Maybe oldfan means this is a private collector item.[/quote]

What a lost treasure. The official release is flawless, but what a thrill it'd be to hear. Hopefully stuff like this will surface in the Dylan Tulsa Archive.

Author:  Matt_77 [ Sat September 9th, 2017, 18:29 GMT ]
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"Po' Boy" acoustic from 2000. Wow. I want to hear that!!

Author:  ShotofMercy [ Sat September 9th, 2017, 19:29 GMT ]
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Nate8 wrote:
Thanks for all of the good info. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for outtakes being officially released.


If there is an extended Highlands I hope to hear it one day. Did anyone hear the live version off of the Pure Dylan compilation?

Author:  escapeedrifter [ Mon September 11th, 2017, 22:11 GMT ]
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Was it neil young or annie lennox? :lol: Has bob ever used anyone else' name for that line?

I too doubt the quote from Dylan about that being the short version, but you never know. Id sure like to hear the demo of po boy.

Author:  innercities [ Wed September 13th, 2017, 19:03 GMT ]
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With the given information, I consider the "30 minutes Highlands" an urban legend, much like the "Chicago After Dark" outtake from Together Through Life. :) They be but fables.
However, if it exists, holy grail! I'd also LOVE to listen to a studio treatment of Shake Sugaree. And to every snippet and all the raw material and unfinished approaches from the TOOM sessions. I love this record, and especially the dense, full sound of the production. (This and Infidels, and Love&Theft, where Bob found his ultimate, pure sound, are my favorite albums at the moment).

Author:  chrome horse [ Wed September 13th, 2017, 19:50 GMT ]
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My favorite rendition -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSK-0-MQ8s

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