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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Mon November 12th, 2012, 02:57 GMT 
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And I didn't know the wonderful Macy Gray had recorded a version! - thanks for that.

What?


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Thu July 25th, 2013, 19:39 GMT 
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There's a book by Dennis Johnson called Tree Of Smoke, and in it two characters talk about the line from Joel : And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. It's mentioned that in Hebrew it refers to palm trees of smoke.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat July 27th, 2013, 15:24 GMT 
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It's pretty much the same ideas he would explore in Night Comes Falling from the Sky only with more compelling imagery. I'll bet it got bumped by Lenny Bruce, which is kind of sound-alike. Basically the singer's losing a lover to a rival and blaming it on her attraction to godless evil when she comes to the singer for solace or money. The singer brings some message to leave the evil. And evidently he couldn't find a compelling way to wrap up the lyric.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat July 27th, 2013, 18:03 GMT 

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This is my favorite Dylan song. I find it completely compelling, though as to what its about, I think Henry pretty much nailed it:

The speaker is in a relationship with a South American woman who doesn't buy into the whole Christianity thing, and so the speaker envisions himself in a conflict with Satan for the rights to her body. When he finds he can't convert her, he is heartbroken.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat July 27th, 2013, 21:00 GMT 
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The really amazing thing about this song to me is that it is so transcendently moving and beautiful and haunting and spiritual and just overwhelming in all sorts of good ways even though most of those rhymes are awful, absolutely awful and embarrassing. It's genuinely amazing to me that Dylan could pull it off—which also makes the track one of my prime examples of why I love Dylan the singer and bandleader/"frontman" (let's just call him "presider"... or maybe "subliminal overlord") over Dylan the solo acoustic artist and lyricist. The arrangement is so gorgeous, so subtle and yet insinuating, and Dylan's vocal is among his best, filled to the brim with tenderness and a sense of awe for this our mysterious world.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Wed December 17th, 2014, 15:17 GMT 
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Yesterday I listened to the song again and it came to me that at least part of it might be about the reletionship between love and freedom.
I cannot put my finger on something specific but I feel there's this underlying theme going on.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Wed December 17th, 2014, 21:31 GMT 
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Yes, frantic, frenzied... an underlying, sexual theme... oozing, moist, open, wanton erotical tension.

This is a song hungry for love... filled with lustful longing and desire with lyrics that excite, entice and ultimately thrill the ears of the listener.

A song of arousal and overtly suggestive urgency... I suspect that Angelina is a lady who has perhaps laid across the odd big, brass bed or two in her time.

Does anyone know who Angelina is?... I have often considered it to be about Drew Barrymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Thu December 18th, 2014, 03:23 GMT 
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Does anyone know who Angelina is?...

Not sure, but would much rather see her uncovered than Sinatra.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Thu December 18th, 2014, 03:40 GMT 
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Does anyone know who Angelina is?... I have often considered it to be about Drew Barrymore.

I think it may be Carol....or Carole


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Thu December 18th, 2014, 12:53 GMT 
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thickboy wrote:

Does anyone know who Angelina is?... I have often considered it to be about Drew Barrymore.

I think it may be Carol....or Carole


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Thu December 18th, 2014, 15:26 GMT 
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thickboy wrote:
My feeling is that she would be a complex, outwardly complicated lady... yes, erotical... yes, a woman with desires and needs... yes, a lady of insatiably sexually demanding appetite... but, essentially a complex, complicated lady.


I get the same feeling about Angelina. She was very controlling, though ("Do I need your permission to turn the other cheek?"), but I think that was just a hopeless cry for attention in a time of intense sexual desire.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Fri December 19th, 2014, 00:19 GMT 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfawFf4Zl-o

Best use of 'hyena' as a song rhyme so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Fri December 19th, 2014, 00:48 GMT 
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If the song is referencing The Combat Zone near Boston's Chinatown, then that's interesting.


"There’s a black Mercedes rollin’ through The Combat Zone"

Wonder if it is...?


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Fri December 19th, 2014, 00:57 GMT 
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thickboy wrote:
Yes, frantic, frenzied... an underlying, sexual theme... oozing, moist, open, wanton erotical tension.

This is a song hungry for love... filled with lustful longing and desire with lyrics that excite, entice and ultimately thrill the ears of the listener.

A song of arousal and overtly suggestive urgency... I suspect that Angelina is a lady who has perhaps laid across the odd big, brass bed or two in her time.
Oh she needs it so bad bro. This is my first time ever typing remotely from a bluetooth keyboard, aloha


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Fri December 19th, 2014, 13:30 GMT 
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If the song is referencing The Combat Zone near Boston's Chinatown, then that's interesting.


"There’s a black Mercedes rollin’ through The Combat Zone"

Wonder if it is...?


You gotta ask Ratso:

search.php?keywords=Combat+zone&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=6&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

https://books.google.se/books?id=IjWAed ... ne&f=false


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Fri December 19th, 2014, 23:59 GMT 
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I'll bet it got bumped by Lenny Bruce, which is kind of sound-alike.

According to Heylin it was supposed to close the album. In other words, follow Every Grain of Sand...

I love the vivid imagery and piano but I never could make much sense of it, it's so abstract. I've always thought it was about some sort of a battle between divine heavenly forces and the violent human armies of Earth, and a fallen angel/messenger that gets caught in between or something. IDK...


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat December 20th, 2014, 10:31 GMT 
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TheGunfighter wrote:
According to Heylin it was supposed to close the album. In other words, follow Every Grain of Sand...

I love the vivid imagery and piano but I never could make much sense of it, it's so abstract. I've always thought it was about some sort of a battle between divine heavenly forces and the violent human armies of Earth, and a fallen angel/messenger that gets caught in between or something. IDK...


Don't be dismissive of your view-there is much sense to what you say. This certainly wouldn't be the only Dylan song to operate simultaneously on more than one level. I think you are right, and those asserting it's about a personal human relationship are also. Both levels seem to operate as metaphors of one another. I think it's a wonderful song with some of Dylan's greatest singing. What an opening verse.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat December 20th, 2014, 11:52 GMT 

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Hmmm. Like many other great Dylan songs it's not necessarily about anything specific. Lots of ideas are implied but left to the listener to interpret. His use of images is compelling, he paints a wider picture that you are left to piece together, like Visions Of Johanna or Idiot Wind in that sense.

Bob sometimes works like a painter on a big canvas and this is a good example of that type of song. It's kind of mysterious and elusive and repays lots of listens. Lots of layers to it. Defines the word Dylanesque really.

Why this wasn't on Infidels is really anyone's guess. It's a classic song.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat December 20th, 2014, 11:56 GMT 
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Why this wasn't on Infidels is really anyone's guess. It's a classic song.

Shot of Love. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat December 20th, 2014, 12:46 GMT 

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Or that one :)


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sat December 20th, 2014, 14:45 GMT 
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Two insanely-smart milestone releases by Dylan, Inc. were Biograph & Bootleg Series Volume 1-3, featuring quality recordings of sought-after nuggets at the time.

Angelina is one such gorgeous nugget that uplifts and maintains the value of BS 1-3. Period.

Well, it’s always been my nature to take chances
My right hand drawing back while my left hand advances
Where the current is strong and the monkey dances
To the tune of a concertina

Blood dryin’ in my yellow hair as I go from shore to shore
I know what it is that has drawn me to your door
But whatever it could be, makes me think you’ve seen me before
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

His eyes were two slits that would make a snake proud
With a face that any painter would paint as he walked through the crowd
Worshipping a god with the body of a woman well endowed
And the head of a hyena

Do I need your permission to turn the other cheek?
If you can read my mind, why must I speak?
No, I have heard nothing about the man that you seek
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

In the valley of the giants where the stars and stripes explode
The peaches they were sweet and the milk and honey flowed
I was only following instructions when the judge sent me down the road
With your subpoena

When you cease to exist, then who will you blame
I’ve tried my best to love you but I cannot play this game
Your best friend and my worst enemy is one and the same
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

There’s a black Mercedes rollin’ through the combat zone
Your servants are half dead, you’re down to the bone
Tell me, tall men, where would you like to be overthrown
Maybe down in Jerusalem or Argentina?

She was stolen from her mother when she was three days old
Now her vengeance has been satisfied and her possessions have been sold
He’s surrounded by God’s angels and she’s wearin’ a blindfold
And so are you, Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

I see pieces of men marching; trying to take heaven by force
I can see the unknown rider, I can see the pale white horse
In God’s truth tell me what you want and you’ll have it of course
Just step into the arena

Beat a path of retreat up them spiral staircases
Pass the tree of smoke, pass the angel with four faces
Begging God for mercy and weepin’ in unholy places
Angelina

Oh, Angelina.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sun January 4th, 2015, 03:55 GMT 
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HunterRose wrote:
Lone Pilgrim wrote:
And I didn't know the wonderful Macy Gray had recorded a version! - thanks for that.

What?

Is this available anywhere? I'm not seeing it on Youtube...


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sun January 4th, 2015, 04:08 GMT 
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Don't go looking on the internet for what you may find in your neighbors record collection...


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sun January 4th, 2015, 04:54 GMT 
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If you haven't heard Ben & Al's skewering of the song - through the ModBob prism - from their album Slime Out Of Mind, you can click here and put that right http://www.mediafire.com/?fxz478egyqu17e9


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 Post subject: Re: Angelina
PostPosted: Sun January 4th, 2015, 09:02 GMT 
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The opening lines are great. Bob is a true Gemini, and he knows it...

I'm glad he found enough words that rhyme with Angelina, or else this song would have been much shorter.


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