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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 05:50 GMT 

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It bothers me more that he plays arenas and refuses to allow the screens to be used, thus limiting two thirds of the audience to a concert minus visuals.


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 11:32 GMT 

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After hearing Mark Knopfler saying the same things, the same jokes, and the same stage moves three nights in a row during the last Fall Tour, I am really grateful that Dylan does not indulge in this sort of bu*****t.
BS comparison. Despite the fact that yes, knopfler is not known for his spontaneity but the fact remains, he does acknowledge his audience, as so many others do. I really do not see the problem, especially as bob himself was once a specialist in corny jokes and band introductions onstage. What happened that made this change so drastically is the question I guess

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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 14:24 GMT 

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I wonder why he stopped introducing his band, maybe everybody should know them by now? And didn't he introduce them once in Italy in 2015?? During the intro of Love Sick?? Trying to find the tape...


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 14:54 GMT 

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here it is: https://youtu.be/CrgR4K9RkJM


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 15:28 GMT 
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Nah it doesn't bother me even a little. In fact I like it.


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 16:11 GMT 
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Bob's a kind chap - he doesn't thank them because he doesn't want to disturb them:

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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 17:28 GMT 
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EternalCircle1 wrote:
I wonder why he stopped introducing his band, maybe everybody should know them by now? And didn't he introduce them once in Italy in 2015?? During the intro of Love Sick?? Trying to find the tape...

Perhaps the answer is quite simple - he's forgotten their names! Joking apart, I do miss the introductions. Apart from telling us the instruments they played he also made reference to the States that they came from. Nice touch.


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PostPosted: Tue October 17th, 2017, 17:28 GMT 
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Bob's a kind chap - he doesn't thank them because he doesn't want to disturb them:

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I think I was at this show.


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PostPosted: Wed October 18th, 2017, 19:08 GMT 
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He was asked why he didn't engage verbally more with his audiences
and his response was, and i'm paraphrasing here ''it's just not relevant anymore'.


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PostPosted: Wed October 18th, 2017, 20:00 GMT 

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Best way to thank his audience is to put on a good show. I'd say he usually delivers these days.


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PostPosted: Thu October 19th, 2017, 19:01 GMT 
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I've been playing in bands for 35 years and I don't think there's been a single show when the front man didn't thank the people in the room for coming, on behalf of himself and the band. It's sincere, we're genuinely thankful that they got up off their butts to come out to see us play and spend money. It feels good to express gratitude. It's a natural reflex for most performers... for Bob it's probably a burden and a pointless gesture. If Bob has a couple screws loose, then I'd say one of them is the gratitude for your fans screw.

Am I bothered? No - I just think it's weird, and not in a good way.


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PostPosted: Thu October 19th, 2017, 20:36 GMT 
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He kind of does it at the end by lining up with the band and nod around the room.
At least it's something, but yeah I agree, a formal thank you is the normal thing to do.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 05:05 GMT 
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No no and no.
Plus, nobody seems to have noted that Bob Dylan THANKS his audience WHILE, DURING, INSIDE of his shows.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 05:56 GMT 

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No no and no.
Plus, nobody seems to have noted that Bob Dylan THANKS his audience WHILE, DURING, INSIDE of his shows.


Yeah, I was thinking about that for a while. I saw him last year and I'm pretty sure he said thank you after Tangled Up In Blue, before he and his band took a break. I saw someone else film him doing the same thing at another concert, I think that's what he does halfway through this show. At the end he stood there with his band and looked out into the crowd. I remember my girlfriend asking why he didn't say anything after the show, but I really didn't give it much thought. I was up close that night, by the looks of it he seemed appreciative, and tony garnier and the rest of the band seemed happy.

Plus it was a really good show, I hadn't seen him live for years prior to that and I was a little nervous, but I think he (and Mavis staples) put on an amazing show. that's all I could've asked for, though I get why some people would be put off by him not saying anything afterward. It just didn't bother me personally.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 14:20 GMT 

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I mean, yeah, it’s evidently a social convention for an entertainer to thank his/her “audience,” but I honestly think that Dylan sees his performance as something other (or more) than entertainment and does what he can to give an air of solemnity (or importance/weightiness/nobility) to what is happening in the present moment. I think that perhaps that opening a performance with “Heellooo PITTSBURGH!! Yinz are great!! Thank you all so much for being here!! I accept and welcome and am so thankful for your worship and adulation and want nothing more than to mindlessly rock out with you for the next two hours!!!” (Or something like that ;) ) would simply be counterproductive to the role he has been “called” to play and the effect he endeavors to create. Call it pretension if you will, but there’s a big difference between art and entertainment. Same reason that serious movies don’t usually begin with actor credits any more and solemn stage plays sometimes end with just a quiet bow instead of a serious of raucous curtain calls. It sets up a different kind of experience and has leaves the viewer with room to be reflective at the end instead of just hyped up. A passionate actor who invests him/herself deeply into a painful role would rather see people be moved than psyched up. The person who hoots and cheers like crazy in the theater at the end Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and feels robbed of something when he isn’t thanked for being there has obviously missed the point.

Those looking for nostalgia and escapism may feel snubbed because he isn’t bending over to ingratiate himself to them, but those who are looking for something more real and lasting are able to see and hear it.

Maybe it’s pretension, but maybe, just maybe, its just plain purpose driven sincerity.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 15:19 GMT 
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NateW wrote:
Those looking for nostalgia and escapism may feel snubbed because he isn’t bending over to ingratiate himself to them, but those who are looking for something more real and lasting are able to see and hear it.

Maybe it’s pretension, but maybe, just maybe, its just plain purpose driven sincerity.


Spot on


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 15:24 GMT 
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NateW wrote:
I mean, yeah, it’s evidently a social convention for an entertainer to thank his/her “audience,” but I honestly think that Dylan sees his performance as something other (or more) than entertainment and does what he can to give an air of solemnity (or importance/weightiness/nobility) to what is happening in the present moment. I think that perhaps that opening a performance with “Heellooo PITTSBURGH!! Yinz are great!! Thank you all so much for being here!! I accept and welcome and am so thankful for your worship and adulation and want nothing more than to mindlessly rock out with you for the next two hours!!!” (Or something like that ;) ) would simply be counterproductive to the role he has been “called” to play and the effect he endeavors to create. Call it pretension if you will, but there’s a big difference between art and entertainment. Same reason that serious movies don’t usually begin with actor credits any more and solemn stage plays sometimes end with just a quiet bow instead of a serious of raucous curtain calls. It sets up a different kind of experience and has leaves the viewer with room to be reflective at the end instead of just hyped up. A passionate actor who invests him/herself deeply into a painful role would rather see people be moved than psyched up. The person who hoots and cheers like crazy in the theater at the end Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and feels robbed of something when he isn’t thanked for being there has obviously missed the point.

Those looking for nostalgia and escapism may feel snubbed because he isn’t bending over to ingratiate himself to them, but those who are looking for something more real and lasting are able to see and hear it.

Maybe it’s pretension, but maybe, just maybe, its just plain purpose driven sincerity.



I can only assume you didn't attend any of Leonard Cohen's 2008-2013 shows. Artist and audience in communion.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 18:00 GMT 
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He used to say thank you when introducing his band and he may do that again. He does whatever you want. He gives you his music and you can do whatever the hell you want with it.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 18:02 GMT 

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McG wrote:
I can only assume you didn't attend any of Leonard Cohen's 2008-2013 shows. Artist and audience in communion.


Sadly (so very sadly) no, I was never able to see Leonard perform in person. I did see Bruce Springsteen several years ago though and was deeply touched and impacted by the overwhelming flood of sincere love and generosity that he poured out to everyone there for hours on end. For the time he was on stage he gave every bit of himself to the crowd. That man dies for his audience every time he performs. I saw Dylan for the first time several weeks later and while the contrast in their performances couldn’t have been more stark Dylan’s affected me as much if not more than Bruce. Bruce uses his music as a vehicle to give himself away. Dylan uses himself as a vehicle to give us the same spirit that inspires his music. Leonard, Bruce, and Dylan have each had their own calling and purpose and each is/was well fit for their own work.


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PostPosted: Fri October 20th, 2017, 18:25 GMT 
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I saw Leonard Cohen plenty, and his conspicuously graceful, lightly formal persona fitted the experience of being at his show like a flatteringly cut, elegantly crumpled suit.
But it'd be fucking weird if Dylan started introducing Donnie Herron as "virtuoso of the violin and finest purveyor of the pedal steel" midway through a song.
Dylan responds to the audience in a manner midway between Olly Murs and Mark E. Smith. Which is as it should be.


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PostPosted: Sat October 21st, 2017, 21:06 GMT 
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Winter Lude wrote:
I've been playing in bands for 35 years and I don't think there's been a single show when the front man didn't thank the people in the room for coming, on behalf of himself and the band. It's sincere, we're genuinely thankful that they got up off their butts to come out to see us play and spend money. It feels good to express gratitude. It's a natural reflex for most performers... for Bob it's probably a burden and a pointless gesture. If Bob has a couple screws loose, then I'd say one of them is the gratitude for your fans screw.

Am I bothered? No - I just think it's weird, and not in a good way.


Yeah it's pretty strange. It doesn't bother me but doesn't seem right either - like something's wrong with Bob maybe, I mean when it's to the point of not being able to say a simple thank you or two...
that sort of thing is not normally a burden for most performers. It's very anti-social behavior. I wonder if he has some kind of condition causing this. I'll guess we'll never know, actually.

I envy how private Bob's able to be.


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PostPosted: Sun October 22nd, 2017, 12:25 GMT 

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Jim B. wrote:
Winter Lude wrote:
I've been playing in bands for 35 years and I don't think there's been a single show when the front man didn't thank the people in the room for coming, on behalf of himself and the band. It's sincere, we're genuinely thankful that they got up off their butts to come out to see us play and spend money. It feels good to express gratitude. It's a natural reflex for most performers... for Bob it's probably a burden and a pointless gesture. If Bob has a couple screws loose, then I'd say one of them is the gratitude for your fans screw.

Am I bothered? No - I just think it's weird, and not in a good way.


Yeah it's pretty strange. It doesn't bother me but doesn't seem right either - like something's wrong with Bob maybe, I mean when it's to the point of not being able to say a simple thank you or two...
that sort of thing is not normally a burden for most performers. It's very anti-social behavior. I wonder if he has some kind of condition causing this. I'll guess we'll never know, actually.

I envy how private Bob's able to be.


I didn't read all contributions to this question here, so maybe someone else wrote something similar before:

Bob thanked his audience for years. For years he did this after each and every song.
If I remember right, he began to reduce his thank-yous and his statements in the last 20 years more and more. And since some years he communicates with his audience only via his performances.

I agree:I liked it better, when he spoke with us, intorduced the band and said at least something like "Thank you, friends and followers!". I think, I heard this about ten years ago in Düsseldorf.
But Bod decided to go his way. After thousands of thank yous and other statements he stopped it.
As written above I would prefer, he would turn a little bit more to his audience, cause I'm sure he is thankful.

But I think, it's a little bit infringing to discuss a mental problem or to diagnose a anti-social behaviour.
Thank God I don't know nearly nothing about Bob's private behaviour (Nevertheless I'm quite sure, it's not easy to live with him) But thank God, most people in this world don't know much about mine.

And to tell the truth: I'm much more upset and disappointed because of the setlists of the last years than about his refusal of small-talk-elements.


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PostPosted: Sun October 22nd, 2017, 15:16 GMT 

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he should thank us?
we're the lucky ones


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PostPosted: Sun October 22nd, 2017, 15:40 GMT 
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juststepintothearena wrote:
he should thank us?
we're the lucky ones


That's called clapping.


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PostPosted: Tue October 24th, 2017, 19:35 GMT 

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Miles Davis went through a period when he played virtually the entire set with his back to the audience.
I think we should just be thankful that Mr Dylan has not gone down that route.


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